drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Aside from the UN articles, US law itself doesnt allow for locking someone up for years and then enacting a law under which to charge them, especially in a bogus court (military commission). And then there is the problem of torture (waterboarding for instance) that certainly does contravene international law. Ad then there is the testimony against him that has changed ad ends up that no one actually saw him throw grenade. His very dubious convictions will be thrown out now that the way has been cleared for his appeal. To bad he lost 13 years of his life. You're right. As a convicted murderer and supporter of terrorism, he should have gotten more than just 13 years. Its a damn good thing they got him before they could utilize those bomb detonators he made, I'm sure you'll agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 You're right. As a convicted murderer and supporter of terrorism, he should have gotten more than just 13 years. Its a damn good thing they got him before they could utilize those bomb detonators he made, I'm sure you'll agree? You are mixed up. His appeal will be successful and I suspect you and I will have to reach into our pockets to provide restitution for the government's failure uphold his rights as a Canadian citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Peter I appreciate your response just read it. Well written. There is no disputing that Kadr killed the medic. There are eye witnesses and Kadr never denied he killed him either. As for the comment there is no jurisdiction in civil court to deal with a death on foreign soil that comment is not true. The law on jurisdiction in the US does not exclude a wrongful death claim in this situation. I will leave it at that. There are people on this forum who make no effort to look up the laws they claim to understand. You at least made some good points to explain what could be legal issues to be decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 You are mixed up. His appeal will be successful and I suspect you and I will have to reach into our pockets to provide restitution for the government's failure uphold his rights as a Canadian citizen. Why am I mixed up? Are you happy he got caught before he could use those bomb detonators he is on video manufacturing? Or would you be happier if he hadn't been caught and he was able to kill more "muricans"? Easy question OGFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Why am I mixed up? Are you happy he got caught before he could use those bomb detonators he is on video manufacturing? Or would you be happier if he hadn't been caught and he was able to kill more "muricans"? Easy question OGFT. Its a stupid question with obvious assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 It's an utterly pointless question given the answers to other questions the law has answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yup, what I figured. You two are so effin bigoted you'd rather Khadr kill more Americans than get caught with his hands in the terrorism cookie jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Why am I mixed up? Are you happy he got caught before he could use those bomb detonators he is on video manufacturing? Or would you be happier if he hadn't been caught and he was able to kill more "muricans"? Easy question OGFT. I'm fine with him being caught. I'm not fine with all the bullshit the Americans put on him after he was caught. That nuance is important. The whole point of the Khadr issue is not that he was caught. Or even shot up prior to being caught. Its what happened after he was caught that has all us bleeding hearts weeping buckets of tears. It's what happened after he was caught that brought the SC of Canada into picture. It's what happened after he was caught thats the whole reason why anyone recognizes his name at all. That he was caught isn't the issue in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 I'm fine with him being caught. I'm not fine with all the bullshit the Americans put on him after he was caught. That nuance is important. The whole point of the Khadr issue is not that he was caught. Or even shot up prior to being caught. Its what happened after he was caught that has all us bleeding hearts weeping buckets of tears. It's what happened after he was caught that brought the SC of Canada into picture. It's what happened after he was caught thats the whole reason why anyone recognizes his name at all. That he was caught isn't the issue in the slightest. He is a terrorist. Was he waterboarded? I don't know, but I'll tell you honest, I don't give a shit what happened to him. He killed, maimed, and is on video making gear to kill a lot more. He has never apologized, never repented, and when asked, said he doesn't believe in violence right now. So, again, I don't care what happened to him AFTER he killed, maimed, and made bomby explosivey stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yes, well it's been obvious from the get-go that you hold that honest opinion. I hope its equally obvious that I do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 ..and sorry Peter F., but many on here hold him up as a golden boy. Which makes me sick. If you want to argue that our society is better and should treat terrorists as people and not water board them, ok. But the left on this site refuses to even acknowledge he did anything wrong, cause, you know, what' s wrong with killing a "murican" or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yes, well it's been obvious from the get-go that you hold that honest opinion. I hope its equally obvious that I do not. Yes, it is obvious. I respect your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 ..and sorry Peter F., but many on here hold him up as a golden boy. Which makes me sick. If you want to argue that our society is better and should treat terrorists as people and not water board them, ok. But the left on this site refuses to even acknowledge he did anything wrong, cause, you know, what' s wrong with killing a "murican" or two? ...just to be clear: I am not acknowledging that he did anything wrong. I don't think he did anything wrong. American soldiers have killed/maimed thousands in pursuit of their war. Most of the time it was ok for them to do so. Why is it ok for Americans to kill in pursuit of a war but not ok for Americans to be killed while persuing their war? Making bombs to be used as IED's to inflict casualties on American soldiers is a perfectly legitimate act of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yup, what I figured. You two are so effin bigoted you'd rather Khadr kill more Americans than get caught with his hands in the terrorism cookie jar. Apparently you need to consult a dictionary as to the meaning of the word bigot, for starters. Then you make a statement which assumes Khadr killed an American in the first place, which has never been proven. And then you say he never apologized for anything, which he clearly did. Now then, off to that dictionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummindiver Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Apparently you need to consult a dictionary as to the meaning of the word bigot, for starters. Then you make a statement which assumes Khadr killed an American in the first place, which has never been proven. And then you say he never apologized for anything, which he clearly did. Now then, off to that dictionary. I know what bigot means. It is used properly. I`m not going around this merry-go-round with you again. I`ve posted tons of links showing he did admit doing it. As well as videos of him making bomb detonating devices. If you all think murdering our allies is an ok thing, I am done arguing with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 I know what bigot means. It is used properly. I`m not going around this merry-go-round with you again. I`ve posted tons of links showing he did admit doing it. As well as videos of him making bomb detonating devices. If you all think murdering our allies is an ok thing, I am done arguing with you. We have all seen the videos. Where is the video of him throwing the grenade...doesn't exist, and it turns out a soldier on the ground and did see him suggest he couldn't have, due to his injuries already sustained in the firefight. His so called confession was nothing more than a plea deal, subsequently recanted. And once again your assumptive statements do not a argument make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Have you thought of forwarding your links to the government's lawyers or the SCC? You seem to be awfully certain you know something they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Well where are all the Kadr apologists today? Where are all the people who claimed Kadr could not be sued or win any law suit? Well a U.S. judge has now granted $134.2 million in damages not just to the widow of an American soldier killed in Afghanistan but also another soldier partially blinded by a hand grenade in their lawsuit against former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr. Yah yah, he was an innocent victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I suspect the suits will end up being deemed to have no merit since the convictions they rely on will very likely be overturned on appeal. A U.S. judge granted $134.2 million in damages to the widow of an American soldier killed in Afghanistan and another soldier partially blinded by a hand grenade in their lawsuit against former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr. Hey now I suspect you now need to complain about this decision and complain it is without merit right? By the way explain to Bug Guy that the royalties Big Kuy this kadr will live off of, that blood money will now go to the people he killed. As it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 A U.S. judge granted $134.2 million in damages to the widow of an American soldier killed in Afghanistan and another soldier partially blinded by a hand grenade in their lawsuit against former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr. Hey now I suspect you now need to complain about this decision and complain it is without merit right? By the way explain to Bug Guy that the royalties Big Kuy this kadr will live off of, that blood money will now go to the people he killed. As it should. I dont have to complain about anything, a Canadian judge will have to rule on an application once one is filed and the main reason it would be rejected is simply because Khadr had no representation in the Utah case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Well a U.S. judge has now granted $134.2 million in damages Kangaroo court! Wake me up when there's any word from a Canadian court. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Well where are all the Kadr apologists today? Where are all the people who claimed Kadr could not be sued or win any law suit? Rolling on the floor laughing our rear ends off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Well where are all the Kadr apologists today? Where are all the people who claimed Kadr could not be sued or win any law suit? Well a U.S. judge has now granted $134.2 million in damages not just to the widow of an American soldier killed in Afghanistan but also another soldier partially blinded by a hand grenade in their lawsuit against former Guantanamo Bay prisoner Omar Khadr. Yah yah, he was an innocent victim. How are they gonna collect the money? And from who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 How are they gonna collect the money? And from who? Khadr can't go to the US. So how was he to defend himself? Also a civil court in the US has no jurisdiction in Canada. The only way would be if Kadr has business in the US. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Khadr can't go to the US. So how was he to defend himself? Also a civil court in the US has no jurisdiction in Canada. The only way would be if Kadr has business in the US. WWWTT Not really, the US court finding could be upheld in Canada (they often are) but an application would have to be filed and accepted with a Canadian court. It is unlikely it would be in this case since Khadr had essentially no opportunity to defend himself. And of course even if it were, there's the old blood from a stone situation here big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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