Pakistan gave Bin Laden to US for ransom

Shady · May 12, 2015

Apparently the more trivial an issue, the more you get upset about it.

No, not at all. We can agree to disagree then.

Black Dog · May 12, 2015

No, not at all. We can agree to disagree then.

So why no outrage over this story, which, if true, involves a massive cover up at the highest levels of government to burnish the image of a president whose every other misstep you obsessively categorize?

Shady · May 12, 2015

So why no outrage over this story, which, if true, involves a massive cover up at the highest levels of government to burnish the image of a president whose every other misstep you obsessively categorize?

I don't see it as a cover up. An effort was made to get/kill Bin Laden. It suceeded. There's physical evidence as well as witnesses of a big fire fight at the compound where he was killed. Personally, whether they killed him there, or he was killed and handed over by Pakistani officials, etc, doesn't concern me.

Shady · May 12, 2015

What concerns me more is bad economic policy, bad social policy, etc.

Black Dog · May 12, 2015

What concerns me more is bad economic policy, bad social policy, etc.

Bad saluting policy...

Je suis Omar · May 12, 2015

I don't see it as a cover up. An effort was made to get/kill Bin Laden. It suceeded. There's physical evidence as well as witnesses of a big fire fight at the compound where he was killed. Personally, whether they killed him there, or he was killed and handed over by Pakistani officials, etc, doesn't concern me.

You don't see it as a cover up as you, poorly, attempt a cover up.

And yet, on with the dog and pony show.

Are you now going to try to find a single situation where the USA actually told the truth?

Shady · May 12, 2015

Bad saluting policy...

Yes, disrespecting the military is more of a concern than specifically how a dirtbag terrorist was ultimately killed. He's dead, and I'm glad. In retrospect I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being in a hurry.

Shady · May 12, 2015

You don't see it as a cover up as you, poorly, attempt a cover up.

And yet, on with the dog and pony show.

Are you now going to try to find a single situation where the USA actually told the truth?

I don't know what else to say on this subject. Bin Laden was killed. I'm glad. End of story.

Je suis Omar · May 12, 2015

What concerns me more is bad economic policy, bad social policy, etc.

Don't you think that when a body has been so caught out, all of their own doing, they might consider resorting to something as outlandish as "honesty"?

Edited May 12, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Je suis Omar · May 12, 2015

Yes, disrespecting the military is more of a concern than specifically how a dirtbag terrorist was ultimately killed. y.

This would be the same military that admits they committed acts of murder, breached international law.

The same military that napalms towns and villages, guns down civilians, carpet bombs innocents, poisons children and the unborn, the same military that has followed this pattern for over a century.

Is there anything or anyone that deserves less respect?

Je suis Omar · May 12, 2015

That is not the point. We always knew that's what happened here. Maybe the extrajudicial arrest of Noreiga would be a better jumping-on point for that discussion ?

I'm not really sure what your point was, Michael, and I have to admit that this post hasn't helped any in that regard.

But let me apologize in advance if I've not represented it, whatever it may be, accurately.

Shady · May 12, 2015

Don't you think that when a body has been so caught out, all of their own doing, they might consider resorting to something as outlandish as "honesty"?

Sorry, as I've already stated, I have nothing further to say regarding this specific subject of Bin Laden's death.

Michael Hardner · May 12, 2015

I'm not really sure what your point was, Michael, and I have to admit that this post hasn't helped any in that regard.

The 'explosive revelations' weren't that the US went to another country to kill a suspect. We KNEW that. Your post seemed to indicate that THAT was the revelation.

GostHacked · May 12, 2015

Yes, disrespecting the military is more of a concern than specifically how a dirtbag terrorist was ultimately killed. He's dead, and I'm glad. In retrospect I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being in a hurry.

Osama was the USA's freedom fighter before he became a terrorist.

Big Guy · May 12, 2015

It seems that people forget that the Taliban were ready to hand Bin Laden over to a "neutral" country after 9/11. The USA administration refused the deal, refused to negotiate and promptly invaded Afghanistan. I suggest that if Bush had spent a little time considering that proposal that we would not be in the mess that we are in to-day.

Shady · May 12, 2015

Osama was the USA's freedom fighter before he became a terrorist.

Yep, during the Soviet Union's illegal invasion.

Je suis Omar · May 12, 2015

Yep, during the Soviet Union's illegal invasion.

Where the USA, the oh so concerned country about the poor and the oppressed were delighted that they could use the Afghans as cheap cannon fodder for their nefarious ends.

...

The objective of the intervention, as spelled out by Brezinski, was to trap the Soviets in a long and costly war designed to drain their resources, just as Vietnam had bled the United States. The high level of civilian casualties that this would certainly entail was considered but set aside. According to one senior official, "The question here was whether it was morally acceptable that, in order to keep the Soviets off balance, which was the reason for the operation, it was permissible to use other lives for our geopolitical interests." Carter's CIA director Stansfield Turner answered the question: "I decided I could live with that." According to Representative Charles Wilson, a Texas Democrat,

There were 58,000 dead in Vietnam and we owe the Russians one.... I have a slight obsession with it, because of Vietnam. I thought the Soviets ought to get a dose of it.... I've been of the opinion that this money was better spent to hurt our adversaries than other money in the Defense Department budget.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html

And here, you actively and avidly support these monstrous war criminals, these vicious terrorists, Shady.

Shady · May 12, 2015

Where the USA, the oh so concerned country about the poor and the oppressed were delighted that they could use the Afghans as cheap cannon fodder for their nefarious ends.

And here, you actively and avidly support these monstrous war criminals, these vicious terrorists, Shady.

Thread drift. Start a new topic.

Moonlight Graham · May 12, 2015

It seems that people forget that the Taliban were ready to hand Bin Laden over to a "neutral" country after 9/11. The USA administration refused the deal, refused to negotiate and promptly invaded Afghanistan. I suggest that if Bush had spent a little time considering that proposal that we would not be in the mess that we are in to-day.

Hmm that's interesting, you have a link for that info?

Je suis Omar · May 13, 2015

Thread drift. Start a new topic.

You raised it, Shady, and now you want to abandon your rowboat because you shot a hole in it. That's patently dishonest.

This thread is about OBL and the USA deserting their old and dear friend. Illustrating the duplicitous and amoral nature of the USA in this affair is right on point.

You are again being dishonest.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Shady · May 13, 2015

You raised it, Shady, and now you want to abandon your rowboat because you shot a hole in it. That's patently dishonest.

This thread is about OBL and the USA deserting their old and dear friend. Illustrating the duplicitous and amoral nature of the USA in this affair is right on point.

You are again being dishonest.

No, I didn't raise it, I was answering somebody elses assertion. You're being dishonest again.

On Guard for Thee · May 13, 2015

Hmm that's interesting, you have a link for that info?

There was some chatter of that back in the day but thats all it was. An Afghan official, the deputy PM, Kabir, was basically poking a stick at Bush saying if the US could prove Osama orchestrated 9 11 they would hand him over. Of course Bush would hear none of that anyway, he was off to a war, yeehaw.

Big Guy · May 13, 2015

To Moonlight Graham - My cut/paste is not working. For references google "Taliban Bib Laden handover" .

sharkman · May 13, 2015

Hmm that's interesting, you have a link for that info?

Talk is cheap. Anyone remember when Clinton could have had Osama for his multiple bombings prior to 9/11? It might have been the Saudis that had Osama, and Bill turned them down. When this became public several years ago he went on a campaign to repair his image.

Edited May 13, 2015 by sharkman