jacee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) ottawa-threatening-hate-charges-against-those-who-boycott-israel- Well isn't this 'special'!!! Harper wants to tell us we 'have to' do business with Israel. Hey Harper! We buy what we want from wherever we want!! That's how 'free enterprise' works!!! Who the F does he think he is!!!! BOYCOTT DIVEST SANCTION ISRAEL!! BOYCOTT DIVEST SANCTION HARPER!! He has truly lost his marbles. . Edited May 11, 2015 by jacee Quote
Topaz Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 You would be surprise what's in that terrorist bill and the Tories will pass it and then the voters will have more reasons to vote this party out! Quote
Boges Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 You would be surprise what's in that terrorist bill and the Tories will pass it and then the voters will have more reasons to vote this party out! Cept the Liberals also support that bill. 308 still has the CPC ahead. And JT's Tax plan participates in a stealing from the rich to payoff the not so rich (his policy doesn't lower taxes on the lowest bracket) So I'm not sure how many votes that'll buy him. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I'll add to this ... http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-considering-hate-charges-against-those-who-boycott-israel-1.3067497 The Harper government is signalling its intention to use hate crime laws against Canadian advocacy groups that encourage boycotts of Israel. Such a move could target a range of civil society organizations, from the United Church of Canada and the Canadian Quakers to campus protest groups and labour unions. If carried out, it would be a remarkably aggressive tactic, and another measure of the Conservative government's lockstep support for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. While the federal government certainly has the authority to assign priorities, such as pursuing certain types of hate speech, to the RCMP, any resulting prosecution would require an assent from a provincial attorney general. And it would almost certainly be challenged under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, civil liberties groups say. This may be the start of charging people who protest things. Calling for a boycott is no reason to charge anyone with hate crimes. That could be applied to any group that wants to boycott anyone. If I boycott Russia (which would be welcomed) should I be charged with hate crimes? Or the opposite, I should be encouraged and funded to spread the boycott word against Russia. This is terrible. And with the C-51 passing, it looks like this group can be charged with terror related offences. Harper needs his head slapped a couple times. But then again, he is not a Canadian, he is a globalist. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 You would be surprise what's in that terrorist bill and the Tories will pass it and then the voters will have more reasons to vote this party out! I have read that bill from stem to gudgeon (OK I was bored one day) and I was at least as much frightened as I was surprised. Of course it is now in the hands of the senate so we shall see what they do. I suspect in the end we will have to put our faith, (and a slew of more tax dollars) in the Supreme Court....Now if you'll excuse me I think I hear a knock at the door. Quote
PIK Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 And the conservatives are cleaning in up in the money dept. If the election went the way the money from the ridings is , bigger majority. With Quebec leading the way. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 And ghost hacked what is terrible is the world is sliding back to the 30s, blaming the jew for everything. The left in this country has become so hateful it is pathetic. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
marcus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 The harper government just gave the bds movement a big boost. The more you try to control and the more you squeeze, the more likely the control will slip away. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 And ghost hacked what is terrible is the world is sliding back to the 30s, blaming the jew for everything. The left in this country has become so hateful it is pathetic. Try telling that to a Palestinian as another illegal settlement goes up. Quote
marcus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 And ghost hacked what is terrible is the world is sliding back to the 30s, blaming the jew for everything. The left in this country has become so hateful it is pathetic. I don't think you have any clue of what is happening in Israel and in the Occupied Territories and why it deserves to be boycotted. Next head of 'Civil Administration' said Palestinians are sub-human High Court okays plan to raze Arab village, build Jewish one in its place Violent settlers cleared despite smoking gun (literally) These are just in the last few days. I recommend that you learn a few things about why Israel is being boycotted so you don't end up sounding so ignorant. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Keepitsimple Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 ottawa-threatening-hate-charges-against-those-who-boycott-israel- Well isn't this 'special'!!! Harper wants to tell us we 'have to' do business with Israel. Hey Harper! We buy what we want from wherever we want!! That's how 'free enterprise' works!!! Who the F does he think he is!!!! BOYCOTT DIVEST SANCTION ISRAEL!! BOYCOTT DIVEST SANCTION HARPER!! He has truly lost his marbles. . More of your Harper-hating rhetoric - you're too funny! Save some of your vitriole for Trudeau and Mulcair: But Canada, a country where the federal Liberal and NDP leaders also oppose BDS, appears to have lined up more strongly behind Israel than any other nation Quote Back to Basics
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 More of your Harper-hating rhetoric - you're too funny! Save some of your vitriole for Trudeau and Mulcair: So to be clear: you have no problem with the government stifling free speech of the people it disagrees with? Quote
Argus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I don't think you have any clue of what is happening in Israel and in the Occupied Territories and why it deserves to be boycotted. I'll take that as statement of conscience when you admit that the human rights violations Israel engages in are done by basically most of the world outside the West, and often to a much greater degree, and when you demand that all those other countries be boycotted, as well. I admit I don't like some of what Israel does. I just don't see why they're the focus of so much effort instead of the many, many, many, MANY other much worse human rights violations throughout the world. Unless, of course, it's because you hate Jews. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I'll take that as statement of conscience when you admit that the human rights violations Israel engages in are done by basically most of the world outside the West, and often to a much greater degree, and when you demand that all those other countries be boycotted, as well. I admit I don't like some of what Israel does. I just don't see why they're the focus of so much effort instead of the many, many, many, MANY other much worse human rights violations throughout the world. Unless, of course, it's because you hate Jews. So Israel should be held to the same standard as, say, North Korea, then? Quote
Argus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 This may be the start of charging people who protest things. Calling for a boycott is no reason to charge anyone with hate crimes. Hey, you guys on the Left were the ones who brought in these hate crimes laws, and kept strengthening them. Now you don't like them because they're being applied towards people you want to hate? You can't apply these laws for boycotting. They're hate speech laws. That means they'd be aimed at those who campaign against Israel with continuing long recitations of blame and accusation that the proponents of a boycott aim at Israel in order to convince people that, well, they should be hated. After all, if you can't get people to hate Israelis, then how do you get them to join you in boycotting them? And btw, there is NO question in my mind that if the NDP ever got in federally hate crimes laws would be enormously strengthened. Probably not against those attacking Israel, of course, but against unflattering commentary on every religious, ethnic and racial minority in Canada (unless they could exempt Jews somehow). Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
TimG Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 So to be clear: you have no problem with the government stifling free speech of the people it disagrees with?I would prefer an end to entire concept of 'hate speech' and let people say what they want. That said, making that happen requires that the primary advocates for such censorship be given a taste of their own toletarianism. To that extent such moves by Harper are useful. Quote
Argus Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) So Israel should be held to the same standard as, say, North Korea, then? Israel should be held to the same standards as planet Earth. And btw, is there a boycott/divest group aimed at North Korea, or Russia, or China, or any of the hundred other countries out there which violate human rights? Is there a strong boycott Egypt or boycott Pakistan group? Boycott Nigeria or boycott Kenya? Boycott Indonesia or Malaysia? Nobody gives a crap about how many human rights violations the rest of the world engages in except for their own expatriates. Edited May 11, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I would prefer an end to entire concept of 'hate speech' and let people say what they want. That said, making that happen requires that the primary advocates for such censorship be given a taste of their own toletarianism. To that extent such moves by Harper are useful. So the equivalent of a bad father saying "I'll give you something to cry about"? I'll just put you down in the pro-totalitarianism camp then. Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Israel should be held to the same standards as planet Earth. And btw, is there a boycott/divest group aimed at North Korea, or Russia, or China, or any of the hundred other countries out there which violate human rights? Is there a strong boycott Egypt or boycott Pakistan group? Boycott Nigeria or boycott Kenya? Boycott Indonesia or Malaysia? Nobody gives a crap about how many human rights violations the rest of the world engages in except for their own expatriates. You're almost there! Quote
TimG Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) I'll just put you down in the pro-totalitarianism camp then.No. Just someone who thinks the best way to end bad laws is have them used in ways that hurts the people that advocated for them in the first place. I would have more sympathy for the people complaining if they were not the first to scream 'hate speech' whenever some says something bad about people that have their approved ethnic group/gender. Edited May 11, 2015 by TimG Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 No. Just someone who thinks the best way to end bad laws is have them used in ways that hurts the people that advocated for them in the first place. So you're spiteful and selectively pro-totalitarianism. Got it. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 So to be clear: you have no problem with the government stifling free speech of the people it disagrees with? To that general question - yes, I have a BIG problem......but when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians, nothing is clear......and certainly not the motivations and players involved with BDS - as seen by other countries also having similar issues with them. Quote Back to Basics
TimG Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) So you're spiteful and selectively pro-totalitarianism. Got it.Depends. Are you in now in favour of ending all hate speech laws or do you only argue against uses that interfer with causes that you sympathize with. If the latter then I would say that you are the selectively pro-totalitarian. Edited May 11, 2015 by TimG Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Depends. Are you in now in favour of ending all hate speech laws or do you only argue against uses that interfer with causes that you sympathize with. If the latter then I would say that you are the selectively pro-totalitarian. I've never been in favour of such laws, but that's neither here nor there. At issue is your theory that bad laws must be used badly as a perquisite to change (which is why the death penalty was abolished after so many of its supporters were summarily executed....) Quote
TimG Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) I've never been in favour of such laws, but that's neither here nor there. At issue is your theory that bad laws must be used badly as a perquisite to changeObviously bad laws should be simply repealed but in cases like this simply repealing it would simply encourage the Libs and the NDP to up the ante and promise to re-enstate with even more onerous provisions. Now if you change the public conversation by showing people why they are bad laws then repeal becomes a political possibility. It is not ideal but it is better than the alternative. Edited May 11, 2015 by TimG Quote
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