Big Guy Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I was watching the Sunday morning political shows and caught the following on NBC: There was a presentation of comparative statistics between 1960 and 2013: Moms under 30 years old 1960 - 74% 2013 - 59% Moms who attended some college 1960 - 18% 2013 - 60% Average salary per week to-day Dads - $985 Moms - $756 Children in single-mom households 1960 - 8% 2013 - 21% I would assume that the figures are similar for Canadians. Not sure what this means - if anything. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY! Phone your mom! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 It means women have more freedoms and choices then before. . Enjoy your special day Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not exactly true. Because we can earn a living and have babies, our responsibility has gained twofold! My daughter has two young sons. She wants to go back to work part-time to escape the doldrums of being at home 24/7. For that she is insulted for being a nasty mom and even wanting to dare to go back to work part time. Where will it end! However, I did phone my mom today! And my daughters phoned me. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
poochy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not exactly true. Because we can earn a living and have babies, our responsibility has gained twofold! My daughter has two young sons. She wants to go back to work part-time to escape the doldrums of being at home 24/7. For that she is insulted for being a nasty mom and even wanting to dare to go back to work part time. Where will it end! However, I did phone my mom today! And my daughters phoned me. She needs to spend time with better people, also, choices have consequences, I feel bad for the children of an unhappy mother who wants to work more than be the mother she volunteered to be. No, i am not accusing your daughter of that, my wife also works, though she didn't when my children were very young and i think they are better off for it. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I feel bad for the children of an unhappy mother who wants to work more than be the mother she volunteered to be. No, i am not accusing your daughter of that, my wife also works, though she didn't when my children were very young and i think they are better off for it. Do you not think that the male in the relationship should also spend some time off work to help take care of the children? Quote
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not exactly true. Because we can earn a living and have babies, our responsibility has gained twofold! My daughter has two young sons. She wants to go back to work part-time to escape the doldrums of being at home 24/7. For that she is insulted for being a nasty mom and even wanting to dare to go back to work part time. Where will it end! However, I did phone my mom today! And my daughters phoned me. With more freedom and choices comes more responsibility and chances you make bad choices. For every way of getting something right, there are unlimited ways of screwing it up. Be careful for what you wish for. Cause you may just get it. Freedom and choices is very much a good example of that Quote
jacee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not exactly true. Because we can earn a living and have babies, our responsibility has gained twofold! My daughter has two young sons. She wants to go back to work part-time to escape the doldrums of being at home 24/7. For that she is insulted for being a nasty mom and even wanting to dare to go back to work part time.There's always idiots who stick their noses in others' business.Who cares about their opinions! . Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too.
DFCaper Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not exactly true. Because we can earn a living and have babies, our responsibility has gained twofold! My daughter has two young sons. She wants to go back to work part-time to escape the doldrums of being at home 24/7. For that she is insulted for being a nasty mom and even wanting to dare to go back to work part time. Where will it end! That's BS. I think in today's society men and women are equally responsible for raising children. My wife stayed home, by her choice, not mine. I definitely didn't stay home as I don't think I could handle what she did. My wife taught yoga and when to school in the evenings, so she could get out of the house. Maybe if your daughter is able to get out on a very regular basis and spend time with others, she can get best of both worlds. It was a bit of sacrifice on my part, as she left when I got home a lot of evenings, but we are all happier as a result... I'd be lying if I claimed to never had complained, but did push her to continue for her (, thus my,) sanity. Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
poochy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Do you not think that the male in the relationship should also spend some time off work to help take care of the children? Of course, but women ultimately have all of the choices when it comes to having children, so i cannot feel that they are hard done by when they choose to have them if that means they get bored being at home with them, it's not as though they would be the first. Edited May 11, 2015 by poochy Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 That's BS. I think in today's society men and women are equally responsible for raising children. It's a nice theory. It's not the reality. Women, even those who work outside the home, still do the lion's share of housework and child rearing. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 It's a nice theory. It's not the reality. Women, even those who work outside the home, still do the lion's share of housework and child rearing. Nature better equipped women at performing those tasks, hormonally & physically. Are you saying billions of years of evolution are wrong? I'm all for equality, but who are we trying to fool? Ourselves? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Nature better equipped women at performing those tasks, hormonally & physically. Are you saying billions of years of evolution are wrong? I'm all for equality, but who are we trying to fool? Ourselves? There is nothing a woman can do that a man can't do just as well. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Nature better equipped women at performing those tasks, hormonally & physically. Are you saying billions of years of evolution are wrong? I'm all for equality, but who are we trying to fool? Ourselves? You need some special hormonal or physical thing to vacuum or drive the kid to soccer practice or make dinner? I call bull****. Edited May 11, 2015 by Michael Hardner profanity Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Michael Hardner Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 There is nothing a woman can do that a man can't do just as well. So many obvious counter examples here... Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 There is nothing a woman can do that a man can't do just as well. Not one of us males has figured out how to give birth to a child Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not one of us males has figured out how to give birth to a child Or bro-feeding, chap-tating... Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 You need some special hormonal or physical thing to vacuum or drive the kid to soccer practice or make dinner? I call bull****. While you are wasting you're time trying to re-invent the wheel, I'll just trust that billions of years of natural evolution is much wiser then any of us humans alive at this very moment. Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 While you are wasting you're time trying to re-invent the wheel, I'll just trust that billions of years of natural evolution is much wiser then any of us humans alive at this very moment. Interesting choice of words, given that, if we were to simply defer to evolution, we'd never have invented the wheel. But we did, along with the vacuum cleaner, parental leave for men and other advancements that would helps us transcend our biology if biology was the determining factor in the division of household labour. Which it isn't. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Interesting choice of words, given that, if we were to simply defer to evolution, we'd never have invented the wheel. But we did, along with the vacuum cleaner, parental leave for men and other advancements that would helps us transcend our biology if biology was the determining factor in the division of household labour. Which it isn't. We evolved great imaginations to help in our survival. Just like some animals evolved great speed to survive. You're limited view of evolution is hindering you're capacities to see the bigger picture. Quote
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 We evolved great imaginations to help in our survival. Just like some animals evolved great speed to survive. You're limited view of evolution is hindering you're capacities to see the bigger picture. So when it comes to survival, we can use our imaginations, but when it comes to divvying up the chores, we're slaves to our programming. Boy some people will go to any length not to wash a goddamn dish. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Hal 9000 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Not one of us males has figured out how to give birth to a child Were talking about raising children, not giving birth. Once a baby breathes it's first breath, a father can do everything a mother can do. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
-1=e^ipi Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Were talking about raising children, not giving birth. Once a baby breathes it's first breath, a father can do everything a mother can do. What about breast feeding? Edit: well I guess male lactation is possible if you take the correct hormones. Edited May 11, 2015 by -1=e^ipi Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 What about breast feeding? Edit: well I guess male lactation is possible if you take the correct hormones. I stand by my previous comment. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) So when it comes to survival, we can use our imaginations, but when it comes to divvying up the chores, we're slaves to our programming. Boy some people will go to any length not to wash a goddamn dish. we are looking at this subject from two very different positions.I'm looking at it As a whole picture And your looking at this very narrowly, as who isn't doing the dishes. Edited May 11, 2015 by Freddy Quote
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 Were talking about raising children, not giving birth. Once a baby breathes it's first breath, a father can do everything a mother can do. Not with the same emotional attachments. Let's not kidd ourselves. Males don't have the same emotional capacities then females. Quote
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