jacee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Nature better equipped women at performing those tasks, hormonally & physically.Housework? Who are you trying to fool! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not with the same emotional attachments. Let's not kidd ourselves. Males don't have the same emotional capacities then females. Bull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 we are looking at this subject from two very different positions. I'm looking at it As a whole picture And your looking at this very narrowly, as who isn't doing the dishes. What does this even mean? We were talking about the division of labour in households, a division which still favours men and one you say is evolutionary/biological/some crap. At least I was. What hell were you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Bull! The same way females athletes will never have the physical capacity to compete with males athletes at the Olympic. Edited May 11, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) What does this even mean? We were talking about the division of labour in households, a division which still favours men and one you say is evolutionary/biological/some crap. At least I was. What hell were you talking about?Have you ever seen a man complain that his work is scientifically proven to shorten his life considerably compared to his wife's life expectancy?The majority of males have literally been killing themselves at work with stress and difficulties to support their families, and you're complaining about dishes. Edited May 11, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Not with the same emotional attachments. Let's not kidd ourselves. Males don't have the same emotional capacities then females. :/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) :/ . You haven't ever seen a high school girl have you What could higher then normal emotional attachment be helpful with in our lives??? Oh wait I know. Care and loving of a child. Isn't Nature brilliant. Edited May 12, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Have you ever seen a man complain that his work is scientifically proven to shorten his life considerably compared to his wife's life expectancy? The majority of males have literally been killing themselves at work with stress and difficulties to support their families, and you're complaining about dishes. I heard a feminist speaking in a public space at BurningMan last summer, and she was also vocal about ways that the patriarchy, as she described it, was bad for men - including this kind of stress. It's good to acknowledge this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Have you ever seen a man complain that his work is scientifically proven to shorten his life considerably compared to his wife's life expectancy? The majority of males have literally been killing themselves at work with stress and difficulties to support their families, and you're complaining about dishes. Because managing a household and raising children and having a job of one's own is just soooo easy. Anyway, this has nothing to do with your claim that the division of labour in which women do the majority of household chores and child rearing has an evolutionary/biological basis. Unless you're also arguing that men's shorter life expectancy is also down to biology/evolution, which, unlike your other claim, actually has some basis in science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 What does this even mean? We were talking about the division of labour in households, a division which still favours men and one you say is evolutionary/biological/some crap. At least I was. What hell were you talking about?Get in the kitchen and make me god damn sandwich. It's your evolutionary prerogative! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I heard a feminist speaking in a public space at BurningMan last summer, and she was also vocal about ways that the patriarchy, as she described it, was bad for men - including this kind of stress. It's good to acknowledge this fact.This is an important point that many on this forum overlook. "Patriarchy" isn't some garbage cooked up by social justice warriors; they adopted it from academic feminists who use it as a way of describing how society is organized. The salient point being that it affects everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I like the term as it's a good short-form term to describe a world where men dominated. People get upset about that, I guess. Maybe they take it personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Because managing a household and raising children and having a job of one's own is just soooo easy. . Everything has a price. Women got their freedom. Little did they realize it wasn't to their advantage:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Everything has a price. Women got their freedom. Little did they realize it wasn't to their advantage:) You're just talking nonsense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Everything has a price. Women got their freedom. Little did they realize it wasn't to their advantage:) Yes, serfdom is always preferable to freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes, serfdom is always preferable to freedom. when you see yourself as the centre of the universe, sure.But when you look at the bigger picture, equality & freedom is causing serious population growth decline. . Natural selection will continue. Our society will decline. We will cause our own DNA extinction. Muslims and other male dominated society will continue long after we have passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 when you see yourself as the centre of the universe, sure. But when you look at the bigger picture, equality & freedom is causing serious population growth decline. . Natural selection will continue. Our society will decline. We will cause our own DNA extinction. Muslims and other male dominated society will continue long after we have passed. And this is all the fault of women because they see themselves as the centre of the universe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) And this is all the fault of women because they see themselves as the centre of the universe?No, it's caused by interference in the natural way of being by our strong legal system. And don't think I'm against it, I very much value it. But when you look at the bigger picture it's not going to last. Anything that slows population growth never survives. natural selection. Edited May 12, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) when you see yourself as the centre of the universe, sure. But when you look at the bigger picture, equality & freedom is causing serious population growth decline. . Natural selection will continue. Our society will decline. We will cause our own DNA extinction. Muslims and other male dominated society will continue long after we have passed. Oohhhhhhhhh. You're one of those. Hate to break it to you, but male dominated societies aren't sustainable either. Can you guess why? Edited May 12, 2015 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 So our natural way of being is for women to be subservient to men. Just want to get all this straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) So our natural way of being is for women to be subservient to men. Just want to get all this straight. Any situation that results in higher population growth will usually gravitate towards being normal due to natural selection. Edited May 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Oohhhhhhhhh. You're one of those. Hate to break it to you, but male dominated societies aren't sustainable either. Can you guess why? Yes it's true. The whole universe is unsustainable. Like our bodies it will die one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Any situation that results in higher population growth will usually gravitate towards being normal due to natural selection. Over population is a problem this planet has, not under population. Too many people puting too much stress on its resources an ecosystems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Over population is a problem this planet has, not under population. Too many people puting too much stress on its resources an ecosystems. War sounds like a terrible thing, but when looking at the bigger picture War is essential to keep our population from getting out of hand. The winner is the strongest of the two, which helps eliminate the weakest humans, ensuring that Natural selection continues. As cruel as Mother Nature is. Not one human on earth can come close to her wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 13, 2015 Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 War sounds like a terrible thing, but when looking at the bigger picture War is essential to keep our population from getting out of hand. The winner is the strongest of the two, which helps eliminate the weakest humans, ensuring that Natural selection continues. As cruel as Mother Nature is. Not one human on earth can come close to her wisdom. This is utter twaddle. War is not an instrument of natural selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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