Global Islam & Terrorism - The Long Game (Opinion)

[Keepitsimple]

Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil?

Those are the tactics. What is the strategy? Well, it's an overt fact that ISIS, Al Queda, and their related cohorts and financiers have a quest for Global Islamic domination. And they've admitted they play the "long game" - literally - it may take a century or more.

So.....back to the violence - that deadly, evil, fear-inspiring violence. What does it accomplish? Well - it's reaping its rewards already. Millions of refugee Muslims "displaced" to other countries - most of which granted - intend to live a peaceful life. But back to the Long Game. All these refugees provide a huge base within which to breed poverty, distrust among the local population,....a tremendous recruiting ground to continue the vicious cycle of Jihad, displacement and "integration".

The picture is not that clear for the next steps - and again - we might be talking many years down the road. When every country has 10 or 20% of it's population identifying as Muslim - what happens next? Do the next steps happen within democracy? Do coalition governments start governing with the help of Muslim-based minority parties? Does Sharia enter the national picture? Do coup d'etats occur in smaller countries?

The End Game has been stated already - it's a question of what all of our countries will look like a century from now if we don't confront what is happening - in slow motion - right in front of our eyes.

Just an opinion - for what it's worth......but there is something of a Puppet-Master, multi-headed snake out there - and we'd better find a way to de-fang it soon.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[eyeball]

Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil?

Control, in reaction to our violent pursuit of the same.

Those are the tactics. What is the strategy? Well, it's an overt fact that ISIS, Al Queda, and their related cohorts and financiers have a quest for Global Islamic domination. And they've admitted they play the "long game" - literally - it may take a century or more.

Yep, we've been at it since at least the end of the 2nd world war.

So.....back to the violence - that deadly, evil, fear-inspiring violence. What does it accomplish? Well - it's reaping its rewards already. Millions of refugee Muslims "displaced" to other countries - most of which granted - intend to live a peaceful life. But back to the Long Game. All these refugees provide a huge base within which to breed poverty, distrust among the local population,....a tremendous recruiting ground to continue the vicious cycle of Jihad, displacement and "integration".

Again it's all about accomplishing control, in their territory. Spreading dysfunction elsewhere is just the flip side of the same coin.

The picture is not that clear for the next steps - and again - we might be talking many years down the road. When every country has 10 or 20% of it's population identifying as Muslim - what happens next? Do the next steps happen within democracy? Do coalition governments start governing with the help of Muslim-based minority parties? Does Sharia enter the national picture? Do coup d'etats occur in smaller countries?

This and probably more if things stay on their present course.

The End Game has been stated already - it's a question of what all of our countries will look like a century from now if we don't confront what is happening - in slow motion - right in front of our eyes.

When you say we you might as well include them because they're saying the exact same thing about us and we're all stuck together on the same tiny little pale blue dot.

Just an opinion - for what it's worth......but there is something of a Puppet-Master, multi-headed snake out there - and we'd better find a way to de-fang it soon.

Try staying away from it and stop antagonizing it.

Edited May 9, 2015 by eyeball

[Michael Hardner]

Those are the tactics. What is the strategy? Well, it's an overt fact that ISIS, Al Queda, and their related cohorts and financiers have a quest for Global Islamic domination. And they've admitted they play the "long game" - literally - it may take a century or more.

But their resources and their abilities aren't equal to this quest.

So.....back to the violence - that deadly, evil, fear-inspiring violence. What does it accomplish? Well - it's reaping its rewards already. Millions of refugee Muslims "displaced" to other countries - most of which granted - intend to live a peaceful life. But back to the Long Game. All these refugees provide a huge base within which to breed poverty, distrust among the local population,....a tremendous recruiting ground to continue the vicious cycle of Jihad, displacement and "integration".

No, they're not trying to drive people out - they want to create a basis for an Islamic country that they believe will thrive and conquer all enemies.

The End Game has been stated already - it's a question of what all of our countries will look like a century from now if we don't confront what is happening - in slow motion - right in front of our eyes.

You're more of an ally to them if you buy into their cracked mythology, and start over-hyping the threat from these zealots. The Taliban were exactly this, back in 2001, and they were allowed to exist with a country until they made the mistake of making a real attack against the west. Their country didn't list too long after that.

[eyeball]

But their resources and their abilities aren't equal to this.

Nor are our's.

[Michael Hardner]

Nor are our's.

We don't want to impose any kind of closed idealogical or religious systems, though. If we did, then yes it would be beyond our abilities to enforce such a thing.

[PIK]

This game has been going on for 1200 yrs and the final is coming within a 100. But what burns me is the amount of people with their heads in the sand.

Edited May 9, 2015 by PIK

[Michael Hardner]

This game has been going on for 1200 yrs and the final is coming within a 100. But what burns me is the amount of people with their heads in the sand.

Ok, so does that mean you're ok with going back to the 1950s when discussing the animosity between Iran and the US ? Some people want to dismiss the events of that time being a long time ago.

[Je suis Omar]

KeepItSimple: Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil?

Because they are the soup de jour bad boys, KIS.

The Model Pupil

[indonesia]

excerpted from the book

The New Rulers of the World

by John Pilger

...

In 1990, the American investigative journalist Kathy Kadane revealed the extent of secret American collaboration in the massacres of 1965-66 which allowed Suharto to seize the presidency. Following a series of interviews with former US officials, she wrote, 'They systematically compiled comprehensive lists of communist operatives. As many as 5,000 names were furnished to the Indonesian army, and the Americans later checked off the names of those who had been killed or captured.' One of those interviewed was Robert J Martens, a political officer in the US embassy in Jakarta. 'It was a big help to the army,' he said. 'They probably killed a lot of people and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that's not all bad. There's a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive moment.' Joseph Lazarsky, the deputy CIA station chief in Jakarta, said that confirmation of the killings came straight from Suharto's headquarters. 'We were getting a good account in Jakarta of who was being picked up,' he said. 'The army had a "shooting list" of about 4,000 or 5,000 people. They didn't have enough goon squads to zap them all, and some individuals were valuable for interrogation. The infrastructure [of the PKI] was zapped almost immediately. We knew what they were doing . . . Suharto and his advisers said, if you keep them alive you have to feed them.'

Having already armed and equipped much of the army, Washington secretly supplied Suharto's troops with a field communications network as the killings got under way. Flown in at night by US air force planes based in the Philippines, this was state-of-the-art equipment, whose high frequencies were known to the CIA and the National Security Agency advising President Johnson. Not only did this allow Suharto's generals to co-ordinate the killings, it meant that the highest echelons of the US administration were listening in and that Suharto could seal off large areas of the country. Although there is archive film of people being herded into trucks and driven away, a single fuzzy photograph of a massacre is, to my knowledge, the only pictorial record of what was Asia's holocaust

The American Ambassador in Jakarta was Marshall Green, known in the State Department as 'the coupmaster'. Green had arrived in Jakarta only months earlier, bringing with him a reputation for having masterminded the overthrow of the Korean leader Syngman Rhee, who had fallen out with the Americans. When the killings got under way in Indonesia, manuals on student organising, written in Korean and English, were distributed by the US embassy to the Indonesian Student Action Command (KAMI), whose leaders were sponsored by the CIA.

On October 5, 1965, Green cabled Washington on how the United States could 'shape developments to our advantage'. The plan was to blacken the name of the PKI and its 'protector', Sukarno. The propaganda should be based on '[spreading] the story of the PKI's guilt, treachery and brutality'. At the height of the bloodbath, Green assured General Suharto: 'The US is generally sympathetic with and admiring of what the army is doing.'' As for the numbers killed, Howard Federspiel, the Indonesia expert at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research in 1965, said, 'No one cared, as long as they were communists, that they were being butchered. No one was getting very worked up about it.'

The Americans worked closely with the British, the reputed masters and inventors of the 'black' propaganda admired and adapted by Joseph Goebbels in the 1930s. Sir Andrew Gilchrist, the Ambassador in Jakarta, made his position clear in a cable to the Foreign Office: 'I have never concealed from you my belief that a little shooting in Indonesia would be an essential preliminary to effective change.' With more than 'a little shooting' under way, and with no evidence of the PKI's guilt, the embassy advised British intelligence headquarters in Singapore on the line to be taken, with the aim of 'weakening the PKI permanently' .

Suitable propaganda themes might be: PKI brutality in murdering Generals and [Foreign Minister] Nasution's daughter . . . PKI subverting Indonesia as agents of foreign Communists . . . But treatment will need to be subtle, e.g. (a) all activities should be strictly unattributable, ( British participation or co-operation should be carefully concealed.

Within two weeks, an office of the Foreign Office's Information Research Department (IRD) had opened in Singapore. The IRD was a top-secret, cold war propaganda unit headed by Norman Reddaway, one of Her Majesty's most experienced liars. It would be salutary for journalists these days to study the critical role western propaganda played then, as it does now, in shaping the news. Indeed, Reddaway and his colleagues manipulated the press so expertly that he boasted to Gilchrist in a letter marked 'secret and personal' that the story he had promoted - that Sukarno's continued rule would lead to a communist takeover - 'went all over the world and back again' . He described how an experienced Fleet Street journalist agreed 'to give exactly your angle on events in his article ... . i.e. that this was a kid glove coup without butchery.'

...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pilger_John/Model_Pupil_TNROTW.html

[Je suis Omar]

This game has been going on for 1200 yrs and the final is coming within a 100. But what burns me is the amount of people with their heads in the sand.

"... amount of people with their heads in the sand".

You sure are a funny guy, PIK!

People around the world view the US as the greatest threat to peace; voted three times more dangerous than any other country. The data confirm this conclusion:

Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them.

These US-started armed attacks have killed ~30 million and counting; 90% of these deaths are innocent children, the elderly and ordinary working civilian women and men.

The US has war-murdered more than Hitlers Nazis.

US official reports now confirm all reasons the US told for current armed attacks were known to be false as they were told.

These lie-started US wars are not even close to lawful (here and here recently).

US wars and rhetoric for more wars continue a long history of lie-began US Wars of Aggression. The most decorated US Marine general in his day warned all Americans of this fact of lie-started wars for 1% plunder.

...

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/earth-248-armed-conflicts-ww2-us-started-201-81-killing-30-million-far-arrests-now.html

Edited May 10, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Je suis Omar]

Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil?

Have you forgotten about the indiscriminate violence, the targeted killings of men, women and children, (one might ask, who else is there?), of Cambodia? By none other than kind, benevolent Uncle Sam. Do you remember, or even know, of Henry kissinger's directions from Nixon to the USAF - "Anything that flies on anything that moves".

Might that qualify as indiscriminate violence or outrageous, inhumane evil?

[Rue]

Probably PIK you are right-but human nature is such that people do not react until the bomb goes off in their neighbourhood and there is a direct physical connect. Until then its just something that is part of the on-going noise of the info age that goes in one ear and out the other.

As the world shrinks because of travel time and more and more people from cultures different then ours move next door and bring non democratic value systems and cultural beliefs that clash with our pre-existing ones, the violence will manifest and create that connect.

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Edited May 9, 2015 by Rue

[Freddy]

Recently, I've been thinking about the heinous, despicable violence inflicted by ISIS and the more strategic - but no less deadly and disgusting attacks by Al Queda. Why so much indiscriminate violence - beheadings, targeted killings of men, women and children? The spreading of palpable fear among populations.......what is the purpose of such outrageous, inhumane evil? Those are the tactics. What is the strategy? Well, it's an overt fact that ISIS, Al Queda, and their related cohorts and financiers have a quest for Global Islamic domination. And they've admitted they play the "long game" - literally - it may take a century or more. So.....back to the violence - that deadly, evil, fear-inspiring violence. What does it accomplish? Well - it's reaping its rewards already. Millions of refugee Muslims "displaced" to other countries - most of which granted - intend to live a peaceful life. But back to the Long Game. All these refugees provide a huge base within which to breed poverty, distrust among the local population,....a tremendous recruiting ground to continue the vicious cycle of Jihad, displacement and "integration". The picture is not that clear for the next steps - and again - we might be talking many years down the road. When every country has 10 or 20% of it's population identifying as Muslim - what happens next? Do the next steps happen within democracy? Do coalition governments start governing with the help of Muslim-based minority parties? Does Sharia enter the national picture? Do coup d'etats occur in smaller countries? The End Game has been stated already - it's a question of what all of our countries will look like a century from now if we don't confront what is happening - in slow motion - right in front of our eyes. Just an opinion - for what it's worth......but there is something of a Puppet-Master, multi-headed snake out there - and we'd better find a way to de-fang it soon.

The strategy is simple. It's to outbreed us. At this rate, in 5 generations they will win the war against the west.

[Je suis Omar]

Probably PIK you are right-but human nature is such that people do not react until the bomb goes off in their neighbourhood and there is a direct physical connect.

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"the bomb", Rue?! How about 40 years of bombs in Afghanistan, bomblets purposefully left behind by the ever benevolent Uncle Sam that kills many Afghan children each and every day. Depleted uranium for them to breath.

The evil that you go to such lengths to support informs us all that your goodness knows no bounds.

Edited May 10, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Je suis Omar]

The strategy is simple. It's to outbreed us. At this rate, in 5 generations they will win the war against the west.

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!"

Yup, those Afghans are gonna fly right over here and wipe us all out. You know Reagan reminded us just how close Nicaragua is to the USA. He got a whole bunch of people crapping their drawers over a Nicaraguan invasion of the USA.

And he also delivered this howler.

The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: We do not start wars. We will never be the aggressor. We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression, to preserve freedom and peace. We help our friends defend themselves.

Sorry. I hope you don't die laughing.

[Shady]

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!"

Yup, those Afghans are gonna fly right over here and wipe us all out. You know Reagan reminded us just how close Nicaragua is to the USA. He got a whole bunch of people crapping their drawers over a Nicaraguan invasion of the USA.

And he also delivered this howler.

Sorry. I hope you don't die laughing.

Complete nonsense. Nicaraguan invasion of the U.S. was every discussed as a serious or legitimate matter. You're just lying again.

[On Guard for Thee]

Complete nonsense. Nicaraguan invasion of the U.S. was every discussed as a serious or legitimate matter. You're just lying again.

Oh yeah, ever heard of Operation Urgent Fury. You should do some research once in a while before posting.

[Freddy]

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!"

Yup, those Afghans are gonna fly right over here and wipe us all out. You know Reagan reminded us just how close Nicaragua is to the USA. He got a whole bunch of people crapping their drawers over a Nicaraguan invasion of the USA.

And he also delivered this howler.

They don't need to wipe us out. You're reading comprehension is awful. Let me simplify what I said.

The strategy is to out breed us.

Here is a even more simplified example.

If every westerner has on average 1.5 baby, and every Muslim has 5 babies, the question is.....

At this rate, How many generations will it take for the whole world to be a majority of Muslims?

That is their strategy;).

If you still don't understand, let me know.

[Michael Hardner]

There's no 'strategy' for the entire religion to 'outbreed'. That's just an idea somebody has.

[Je suis Omar]

Complete nonsense. Nicaraguan invasion of the U.S. was every discussed as a serious or legitimate matter. You're just lying again.

Try to regain your composure. You sound apoplectic.

So why did Reagan and his not at all merry band of war criminals illegally invade and destroy Nicaragua.

Why are you, yet again, defending vicious terrorists, arch war criminals.

THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA:

part II

CIA COVERT OPERATIONS IN CENTRAL AMERICA, CIA MANIPULATION OF THE PRESS, CIA EXPERIMENTATION ON THE U.S. PUBLIC

by John Stockwell

...

To destabilize Nicaragua beginning in 1981, we began funding this force of Somoza's ex-national guardsmen, calling them the contras (the counter-revolutionaries). We created this force, it did not exist until we allocated money. We've armed them, put uniforms on their backs, boots on their feet, given them camps in Honduras to live in, medical supplies, doctors, training, leadership, direction, as we've sent them in to de-stabilize Nicaragua. Under our direction they have systematically been blowing up graineries, saw mills, bridges, government offices, schools, health centers. They ambush trucks so the produce can't get to market. They raid farms and villages. The farmer has to carry a gun while he tries to plow, if he can plow at all.

If you want one example of hard proof of the CIA's involvement in this, and their approach to it, dig up `The Sabotage Manual', that they were circulating throughout Nicaragua, a comic-book type of a paper, with visual explanations of what you can do to bring a society to a halt, how you can gum up typewriters, what you can pour in a gas tank to burn up engines, what you can stuff in a sewage to stop up the sewage so it won't work, things you can do to make a society simply cease to function.

Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

All textbook examples of the most vicious type of US terrorism. This highly illegal and immoral yet all too typical USA action saw the USA hauled into the

International Criminal Court of Justice and convicted.

See, Nicaragua vs the USA

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

Edited May 10, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Je suis Omar]

There's no 'strategy' for the entire religion to 'outbreed'. That's just an idea somebody has.

Not to mention, a completely ludicrous idea.

[Je suis Omar]

Complete nonsense. Nicaraguan invasion of the U.S. was every discussed as a serious or legitimate matter. You're just lying again.

You correctly describe it as a fatuous notion, Shady, that Nicaragua would be a threat to the USA, and yet the USA attempted to advance that same completely fatuous idea of being threatened by Nicaragua in their lame defence of their heinous terrorist actions against the people of Nicaragua. In a court of law, no less.

The United States refused to participate in the merits phase of the proceedings, but the Court found that the US refusal did not prevent it from deciding the case. The Court also rejected the United States defense that its action constituted collective self-defense.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

(bolding is mine)

Did Nicaragua respond with terrorism and war crimes against the USA for this vicious attack upon their country and people, like the USA did against Iraq and Afghanistan.

For those who like to whine and moan about 911, the death toll in Nicaragua was 10 to 15 times that event. And the USA created, trained, defended and supported the Contras, in direct and with full knowledge that they were contravening US and international law. The Contras, who were every bit the equal of ISIS in terms of brutality.

Lest anyone think this was a one time event for the USA, let me disabuse them of that thought. This atrocity committed against the innocent people of Nicaragua is just one example in a two plus centuries long line of illegal and immoral actions against the poor of most of the countries of the world, often multiple times against the same country.

What is so amazing is the huge disconnect between the oh so frequent, the unrelenting lies of the USA that it is a kind, benevolent nation and people, a peace loving country, when the opposite is true. The USA has always been and still is today, a vicious, brutal country that has preyed on the poor of the planet.

Edited May 10, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[GostHacked]

It's culturally they will outnumber western civilization. And that is how the push will happen, (well kind of already happening).

[Freddy]

Maybe for someone with limited intellectual capacity.

There's no 'strategy' for the entire religion to 'outbreed'. That's just an idea somebody has.

Not to mention, a completely ludicrous idea.

Maybe to someone with limited intellectual capacities.

[Bonam]

Maybe for someone with limited intellectual capacity.

As opposed to what? Does someone have unlimited intellectual capacity?

[Big Guy]

Many Arab proverbs teach patience. The Arab culture has seen many empires come and go.

I agree that there is a long game - and it is working. The terrorists do not have to brainwash locals into supporting them. All they have to do is get the Westerners to come in, start bombing and wiping out people. There is this interesting philosophy of Westerners that "collateral damage" is acceptable as long as it is some of those turban headed people.

A drone strike mistakenly kills two Western hostages and the President of the United States goes on world media apologizing. A drone strike takes out 50 local innocent civilians and a memo is sent out about "collateral damage".

There is a reason why ISIS soldiers are being protected by and sheltered by locals. They are the better choice than the Western invaders. There is a reason why young people from all over the world are streaming to join ISIS - they see them as the only people who care about them.

What message do you send Muslims when people burn Korans on TV or hold competitions to demean the founder of their faith?

All the terrorists have to do is keep doing what they are doing. We are playing right into their hands. As we destroy the governing structures in the Middle East the terrorists slowly move into the void and gain control. We drop a few bombs, create a few more martyrs and even more surviving relatives go over to the other side prepared to seek revenge.

They can afford to wait. We have learned nothing and continue on the same road that got us into this mess. The terrorists smile as we creep deeper and deeper into the quicksand.