On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I suspect you're imaging things. I am. And my image is of right wing men trying to hold on to some weird bastion of the old boys club, but trying desperately to make it appear as though they are actually open minded. . Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I am. And my image is of right wing men trying to hold on to some weird bastion of the old boys club, but trying desperately to make it appear as though they are actually open minded. . I don't care how many women there are flying planes. You shouldn't either. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I don't care how many women there are flying planes. You shouldn't either. If people of both genders didnt push for the breaking down of the barriers that existed for women not so long ago, there would be no women flying planes. And you should care about that. Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) If people of both genders didnt push for the breaking down of the barriers that existed for women not so long ago, there would be no women flying planes. And you should care about that. Not if they had the same opinion as me. Edited May 10, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 If people of both genders didnt push for the breaking down of the barriers that existed for women not so long ago, there would be no women flying planes. And you should care about that. But there are women flying planes - lots of women, and they have been piloting planes for many years. Every type of plane from private to commercial to military jets - helicopters too. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Not if they had the same opinion as me. Cant make heads or tails of your comment. Is your opinion they shouldnt be flying planes or what... Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I am. And my image is of right wing men trying to hold on to some weird bastion of the old boys club, but trying desperately to make it appear as though they are actually open minded. . So, in some twisted way, you believe that our acceptance of women military pilots is somehow misogynistic? WoW! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 But there are women flying planes - lots of women, and they have been piloting planes for many years. Every type of plane from private to commercial to military jets - helicopters too. Thanks for making my point. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 So, in some twisted way, you believe that our acceptance of women military pilots is somehow misogynistic? WoW! People celebrate all kinds of firsts, nothing twisted about it. Getting your nose out of joint out over a tip of te hat for this particular first does indicate some possibly twisted attitude. Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Cant make heads or tails of your comment. Is your opinion they shouldnt be flying planes or what... If you'd actually read anything that I'd written....ever...you'd know that wasn't what I meant. Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 People celebrate all kinds of firsts, nothing twisted about it. Getting your nose out of joint out over a tip of te hat for this particular first does indicate some possibly twisted attitude. Tipping your hat every time a woman accomplished something indicates a twisted attitude. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Tipping your hat every time a woman accomplished something indicates a twisted attitude. You are spinning your wheels now. Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 You are spinning your wheels now. Not at all. Let women fly planes, and don't patronize them. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Not at all. Let women fly planes, and don't patronize them. This thread is about the exact opposite of patronizing anyone. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Thanks for making my point. What point? The barrier was broken down long ago. Nothing new has happened here. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Not at all. Let women fly planes, and don't patronize them.The only woman being patronized here is OP by your comments. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 What point? The barrier was broken down long ago. Nothing new has happened here. So then be happy for this lady and move on. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) So then be happy for this lady and move on. As I said some 40 posts ago, Im as happy for her as I would be any pilot that is able to fly one of those jets - men included. Edited May 10, 2015 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Ash74 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Most of the rightwingers here I think do not see it as an accomplishment for women but as a human being it is a huge personal achievement for this woman. Could it be that the left is still fighting a battle that the right see's as a human right that should make no difference whether it is a man or woman. Get with the times lefties us right wing,gun toting tax hiding rednecks have evolved past you on this one. Quote “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”― Winston S. Churchill There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. –Robert Heinlein
-1=e^ipi Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 stereotypes established over centuries of a completely male dominated society. I disagree with this portrayal of the past. It denies female agency in the way society was shaped, ignores male disposability, etc. Here is a question, if it was such a male dominated society with men having all this privilege, why where men doing the majority of dying in the wars? Not much more than a hundred years ago, wives were still considered property of their husbands under the law. A female majority in universities is a quite recent thing. The difference in life expectancy is an indicator of how women are progressing when it comes to occupations. As more women take up jobs that were previously male dominated, the gap in life expectancy is narrowing. Wow, before my grandparents were born, discrimination happened, therefore we can somehow ignore all male issues. Progressive logic! Give me some other examples of how you're an egalitarian ? For racial equality, or the poor perhaps ? I support people having equal rights under that law and do not support discrimination against people based on their sex, sexual orientation, race, etc. That's a position I hold, what do you mean by examples? Wait, I get it. Your progressive brain can't handle the concept that someone can take a position outside of the traditionalist-feminist false dichotomy. But why are you trying to make a "group" out of people are celebrating a remarkable milestone ? Don't blame me for creating a 'group'. Your 'group' created itself when it decides to not treat people equally on the basis of sex/gender. If you believe in equality, why wouldn't you celebrate a milestone for equality ? In that case, you should celebrate bronies because they are trying to create gender equality and break gender barriers. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 When did becoming a bronie become an accomplishment? The same time having a vagina became an accomplishment I guess. For those following at home, it seems a Bronie is a guy who likes the My Little Pony cartoons. It seems that the argument is "if we celebrate social landmarks, why don't we just celebrate everything no matter how much people do/should care ?" You said we should celebrate people that help bring down gender barriers. Bronies are doing this. Therefore, according to your earlier claim + consistency, they should be celebrated. I feel comfortable putting you in the group of people that I would label "fringe, threatened by women's progress for reasons unknown" This is because you fail to understand a position on gender issues outside of your traditionalist-feminist false dichotomy. So if they don't agree with you they must be misogynists! Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I suspect these questions, comments may arise from attitudes which are a little hesitant about women pushing back those gender barriers, contrary to how they may try to say otherwise. Yes, this is the progressive mindset! Either you are with us or you are a misogynist. No other position can exist! Perfect logic. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Yes, this is the progressive mindset! Either you are with us or you are a misogynist. No other position can exist! Perfect logic. Ah....no, just that having that progressive mindset, you are less likely to be misogynistic. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 Ah....no, just that having that progressive mindset, you are less likely to be misogynistic. If you are anorexic then you are less likely to be obese. Obesity = bad. Therefore, anorexia = good? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 I support people having equal rights under that law and do not support discrimination against people based on their sex, sexual orientation, race, etc. That's a position I hold, what do you mean by examples? Like a specific group that was oppressed in a particular situation in a place or time ? Wait, I get it. Your progressive brain can't handle the concept that someone can take a position outside of the traditionalist-feminist false dichotomy. Insult. Don't blame me for creating a 'group'. Your 'group' created itself when it decides to not treat people equally on the basis of sex/gender. If a read a news story that celebrates a milestone, and toast that milestone, I get called "you people" and such on here. The 'treat people equally' thing is just a silly pedantic cartwheel. In that case, you should celebrate bronies because they are trying to create gender equality and break gender barriers. The only thing that makes sense to me is that a popular celebration of a milestone upsets you. That's why you bring up silly "everything is everything" type arguments. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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