cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 No one could POSSIBLY buy that there's a serious distinction between "dismissed" and "fired". There is no distinction. That's the point. You're the one saying there is and here you're arguing against yourself. Try to get your stuff straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 You mean sometimes they get impatient with the repetitive partisan questions? Gee, burn them! Burn them! Anything to say about the repetitive partisan responses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 RosieBarton: B we seen end of April, start of May, scripting of D for the digestion of Cdns public. But that's not all. #duffy RosieBarton: B on Tuesday, May 7, email from Woodcock about the "holding line" #duffy RosieBarton: B your PMO group directs a re-writing of the committee report. W I wouldn't say it that way. B laughs, I'm sure you wouldn't. #duffy RosieBarton: B: I suggest PMO is now scripting the steering committee and their report. Right. W disagree with preamble #duffy Wright is getting crushed by the defence attorney today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 People are tiring of this 24/7 reporting, where the ONT government is ignored. Especially when it comes to how quick this duffy thing was brought to trial and we are now 3-4 yrs into a so called investigation against wynne's government. All this over 90gs while the liberals steal billions and the NDP owe millions to the taxpayer. This could end up helping harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Name any fraud charges brought against them or electoral laws that they've broken. Ah, so House of Commons bylaws don't count then. Nice selectivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Ah, so House of Commons bylaws don't count then. Nice selectivity.They certainly didn't to you when the Conservatives were the first government in history to be found in contempt of parliament. More importantly, the NDP has asked for an open and fair trial in the courts. If the issue is so clear cut, then there should be no problem taking them to open court. Edited August 19, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Your financial situation is better......are you a Tory MP??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Harper first say he looked over Duffy expenses and saw nothing wrong and he did the same with Wallin and now when asked he changes his story but again!! (words mean nothing to \Harper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Harper first say he looked over Duffy expenses and saw nothing wrong and he did the same with Wallin and now when asked he changes his story but again!! (words mean nothing to \Harper). A thief is a thief regardless of station in life, political persuasion or any other reason. That said, this entire Duffy thing has been so overblown by the media and opposition parties it's pathetic. A. Initially, the CPC thought Duffy had stolen 30 G's from taxpayers and were allegedly willing to pay that back on his behalf. If that had been done, you can bet that Duffy's hands would have been severely rapped by top brass in the CPC, and his expenses submitted thereafter been carefully screened by same. B. The CPC discovered that Duffy had in fact stolen 90 G's from taxpayers and it was at that point the CPC said no way, get rid of that thief. We are not willing to pay that amount of money on his behalf. C. Enter Nigel Wright who, for whatever ill found reason, decided to use his own money to pay that 90 G's back on Duffy's behalf (why is beyond me). It was at that point the brakes were put on, Duffy was thrown out of the Conservative caucus (as should have happened in the first instance, but I'm not known for giving many the benefit of the doubt). NONE of the money allegedly meant to pay back Duffy's stolen money was taxpayer money. If it had of been, the media and the opposition parties would have been correct in screaming blue murder. Instead, the media and the opposition parties have done everything in their power to con the Canadian voters into believing that something nefarious was being done with their money by the CPC. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am so utterly disgusted by the media, the opposition parties and Duffy's crooked, lying defence lawyer. All of them should go straight to hell for the circus they've created over what amounts to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 then there should be no problem taking them to open court. Now apply that standard to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 It wasn't party bagmen who got him into trouble it was the journalists who acted like grubby gluttons at the trough. Ohhhh. So it's not Harper's fault that he appointed people with no ethics to the senate. It's not the fault of his staff who orchestrated a plot to undermine and manipulate a senate audit. It's not Wright's fault that he paid off a sitting senator to hide the political stink of it all. The fault lies with the journalists who reported it. Because they lack the appropriate reverence for our lord Harper and the bible of conservative ideology. Now I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 7 out of 10 won't vote for JT or Tom, either. But then I'm sure FPTP will be fine. i FPTP will NEVER be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Ohhhh. So it's not Harper's fault that he appointed people with no ethics to the senate. It's not the fault of his staff who orchestrated a plot to undermine and manipulate a senate audit. It's not Wright's fault that he paid off a sitting senator to hide the political stink of it all. The fault lies with the journalists who reported it. Because they lack the appropriate reverence for our lord Harper and the bible of conservative ideology. Now I get it. like that old ranting/frothing geezer who has become the accepted spokesperson for die-hard Harper Conservative supporters... "the media are all POS"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) As the trial continues, the top guy are being question and after Wright is lawyer Perrin, and if may also reveal a connection with the 90,000 and the coverup with other like Novak and maybe even the PM. Seems like someone should subpoena Ray Novak and ask him what he knew and when he knew it. And then Stephen Harper. And then they can decide if Mr Wright should be up on perjury charges. Edited August 19, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 like that old ranting/frothing geezer who has become the accepted spokesperson for die-hard Harper Conservative supporters... "the media are all POS"! Welcome to the face of the CPC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Welcome to the face of the CPC! So where are we. The left accused the RCMP of not digging enough They've accused the prosecution of not being aggressive enough They accuse the entire government of hiding real evidence They accuse supporters of obfuscating any real facts They will accuse the judge of corruption when he finds no crime What sort of world, do you think you'll get if they ever acquire power? The left is about the end of democracy, and the return to ever widening class divisions. You won't want to cross them for fear of being in their cross hairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Maybe if the media went after the ONT liberals ,we would see some action on that front. What has it been,4 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Seems like someone should subpoena Ray Novak and ask him what he knew and when he knew it. And then Stephen Harper. And then they can decide if Mr Wright should be up on perjury charges. Interesting comparison, but this Duffy/Wright scandal is really all about outdated and vague senate rules, rules which could be used on both sides for justifying actions. However,ONE action can only be explained in ONE way, and that is the UN-ethical action of claiming expenses which are NOT incurred, regardless of outdated and vague senate rules. The fact that Duffy had claimed expenses NOT incurred is obvious. It has been obvious to many as far back as this so-called scandal came into being. PM Harper has always said that claiming expenses NOT incurred is wrong! Therefore he felt that regardless of vague and outdated rules, those false expenses had to be repaid by Duffy. Period. Harper instructed Wright, as his CoS, to deal with the issue, which Wright tried to do. Duffy still believed he could claim those unincurred expenses, and wavered back and forth. Wright and members of the PMO and the senate tried to rectify all of this with those vague and outdated senate rules hanging forever in the back ground. The only answer then and now which could be given with any clarity was the answer that expenses claimed but not incurred are not ethically warranted. Had PM Harper NOT insisted that Duffy pay back his expenses NOT incurred, then the press and Canadians would have been upset with Harper for not having taken the right course of action. So voters have a decision to make. Not anyone in life can have it both ways. Not the PM and not Duffy and not the lawyer defending Duffy and certainly not the media, who more often than not pretends THEY can have it both ways. If voters believe expenses not incurred should not be claimed, then Harper comes out winning. But if most Canadians suddenly believe that expenses NOT incurred SHOULD have been claimed, well, then Mulcair and the NDP and their Parliamentary money used for partisan regional offices will become PM, ethics be damned!! Edited August 19, 2015 by socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Now apply that standard to yourself.Unlike contempt of parliament, there is a court process for "fraud." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Unlike contempt of parliament, there is a court process for "fraud." And there has been no such court case against the PMO or anyone within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 The fact that Duffy had claimed expenses NOT incurred is obvious. It has been obvious to many as far back as this so-called scandal came into being. PM Harper has always said that claiming expenses NOT incurred is wrong! Therefore he felt that regardless of vague and outdated rules, those false expenses had to be repaid by Duffy. Period. Harper instructed Wright, as his CoS, to deal with the issue, which Wright tried to do. Duffy still believed he could claim those unincurred expenses, and wavered back and forth. Wright and members of the PMO and the senate tried to rectify all of this with those vague and outdated senate rules hanging forever in the back ground. Do the Conservatives feed you their talking points or do you have to dig them out of their website yourself? Every time Harper or a Conservative shill are interviewed on this topic, they say things like "We have always been clear". But here is the one thing that is really clear: Harper's staff (and not just Wright) were engaged in a conspiracy (and that is the right word) with Conservative senators to cover up Duffy's fraud. And Harper became outraged AFTER the fraud and the associated cover-up became public. Now, we don't know for sure exactly what the PM knew and when. But the PM is a well known micro-manager so if he didn't know, it's because he didn't care to know. So, as far as I'm concerned he is not only accountable, he is culpable. You keep pointing to the fraud by Liberal senators as if there is some sort of equivalency. But here's what's missing: Trudeau appointed zero of the senators There is zero evidence that there was an attempt on the part of Trudeau or Liberal MP's to organize a cover-up Trudeau, like him or not, did the right thing and cut off the Liberal senators from the Liberal caucus. Sorry, buddy. Your lord and savior Harper's halo has slipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 And there has been no such court case against the PMO or anyone within. yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 The left accused the RCMP of not digging enough They've accused the prosecution of not being aggressive enough They accuse the entire government of hiding real evidence They accuse supporters of obfuscating any real facts I don't know who this left is and where u find these accusations. But I'm not on anyone's team. And so I'd appreciate you not associating these accusations with my posts. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 And there has been no such court case against the PMO or anyone within.There've been charges and trials for electoral fraud amongst the Conservatives in every election they've won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Do the Conservatives feed you their talking points or do you have to dig them out of their website yourself? You keep pointing to the fraud by Liberal senators as if there is some sort of equivalency. But here's what's missing: Trudeau appointed zero of the senators There is zero evidence that there was an attempt on the part of Trudeau or Liberal MP's to organize a cover-up Trudeau, like him or not, did the right thing and cut off the Liberal senators from the Liberal caucus. Sorry, buddy. Your lord and savior Harper's halo has slipped. Do the socialists feed their talking points or do you have to dig them out of their website yourself? Meanwhile, Harb is just chillin' and enjoying life after deliberately planning the heist and stealing money from the taxpayer. Ala quietly goes away after saying probably the most horrific things a Canadian politician has ever uttered. Tom quietly refuses to repay 2.7 million he stole from the taxpayer. But across the headlines from coast to coast, Duffy accepted a private loan/gift/money from someone in the Conservative party to repay expenses. The consortium is doing payback. The media unions are obliging, and the left is tossing fuel on the wet paper hoping it will give the voter enough reason to overlook their commonsense and vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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