socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 ... except that the Conservative Senators have not "stepped up" any more than have the Liberal senators in so far as "paying back". Many of both parties have already paid back, many have started to pay back, some (of both parties) have been sent to the RCMP. The only real difference between the parties that I can see, is that there is no evidence to suggest that somebody is COVERING UP just how that money is being paid back..... except in this one interesting case.(so far). How much money do you spend over a $90,000 issue that is questionable in the first place. It looks like Duffy was prosecuted to satisfy the media. Harper should have let the audit run its course and let the Senate deal with it in due course instead of taking a principled stand over the expenses and trying to get Duffy to pay them back in anticipation of the audit results. This is a non-issue except that it shows Harper used some poor judgement in trying to be seen as standing up for a principle. Nigel Wright is a victim of trying to save Duffy from being perceived as abusing the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 People are tiring of the media constantly stalking harper with the same questions over and over. This is a election yr and we need more info on policies that will affect us, not just duffy duffy and more duffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Harper was unusually testy taking questions at his northern stop today. How long can he not answer questions on why others involved in the PMO cover-up were not fired or demoted. This includes his current chief of staff Ray Novak. We all know about angry Tom, is angry Stephen about to explode? Well, I had it half right. Today Conservative supporters attacked media questions directed to Harper over the Duffy/PMO scandal. One of the hecklers later exploded, accusing one reporter of not paying her taxes and telling her she was "a pile of s*it". Later the CPC issued an apology. This deplorable situation could be avoided if Harper would actually answer questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Well, I had it half right. Today Conservative supporters attacked media questions directed to Harper over the Duffy/PMO scandal. One of the hecklers later exploded, accusing one reporter of not paying her taxes and telling her she was "a pile of s*it". Later the CPC issued an apology. This deplorable situation could be avoided if Harper would actually answer questions. The only reason the story has been kept in the news is to create "smear". Sadly, for the news media, the story isn't growing legs. One would think the news media would be hounding the NDP for the $2.7 million which they diverted from parliamentary expense payments to carry on political activity. They were convicted of this crime and have not yet re-paid a nickle! Some may call that "swindle" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 If you took the time to read the 400 pages of emails We can't all have the entire summer off. Then there'd be no teaching jobs for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 We've been through this before. Duffy is accused of extorting the PMO, and that's why he's charged with taking a bribe. The PMO, under the Crowns case, is seen as a victim, as are the Canadian people. The emails prove that this is BS. That the PMO cooked up a scheme, insisted that Duffy not cooperate with Deloitte or the RCMP, and got frustrated when their plans weren't working. But Conservative partisans don't really care about those facts. They prefer making up their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 We can't all have the entire summer off. Then there'd be no teaching jobs for you. By the number of posts you make, I'd say you have more than just a summer off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Garbage. It is increasingly clear that the case against Wright and the PMO is being drummed up by unscrupulous people on the left who will stop at nothing to bring down Harper. This is politics -- and we have seen it all before. I expect it will backfire on the left before election day. Yeah. All those unscrupulous left wingers in the Justice Department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The emails prove that this is BS. That the PMO cooked up a scheme, insisted that Duffy not cooperate with Deloitte or the RCMP, and got frustrated when their plans weren't working. But Conservative partisans don't really care about those facts. They prefer making up their own. clearly! Saint Duffy didn't want to do it... that brute Wright was relentless doing the PMO dirty work. Isn't "media lines" such a quaint qualifier for "cover-up and deceive the Canadian public"? The "media lines" that Wright fully acknowledged Harper was party/privy to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Here is an article listing senators accused of improper spending: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/exclusive-breakdown-of-sums-that-30-senators-are-alleged-to-owe-1.2411218 It is clear that Liberal Senators are the big spenders. TOP FOUR Rod Zimmer: $176,014 (appointed by Paul Martin) Marie Charette-Poulin: $131,434 (appointed by Jean Chretien) Rose-Marie Losier-Cool: $110,000 (appointed by Chretien) Sandra Lovelace Nicholas: $75,207 (appointed by Martin) It would have been nice for the Liberal party to step up, as the Conservative party has, to ensure this money is repaid to the taxpayers as soon as possible. In fairness, Trudeau removed all the senators from the Liberal caucus. The Conservatives, by contrast, tried to control the audit and cover up the malfeasance. See the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 We've been through this before. Duffy is accused of extorting the PMO, and that's why he's charged with taking a bribe. The PMO, under the Crowns case, is seen as a victim, as are the Canadian people. Yeah. The PMO is the victim. That's how we all see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In fairness, Trudeau removed all the senators from the Liberal caucus. The Conservatives, by contrast, tried to control the audit and cover up the malfeasance. See the difference? Why do you not give us a direct quote by Harper in which he says that he fired Wright? Why are you incapable of giving us a direct quote? I will tell you why: YOU cannot find one because there is not such quote. Harper has never changed his story on who knew what or when. Harper revealed more info as he was made aware. That is not changing a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Why do you not give us a direct quote by Harper in which he says that he fired Wright? Why are you incapable of giving us a direct quote? The direct quote was in the Globe story that was posted to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Why do you not give us a direct quote by Harper in which he says that he fired Wright? Why are you incapable of giving us a direct quote? I will tell you why: YOU cannot find one because there is not such quote. Harper has never changed his story on who knew what or when. Harper revealed more info as he was made aware. That is not changing a story. wtf. Really? I wasn't talking about Harper firing Wright but this is far too easy. Here “As you know I had a chief of staff who made an inappropriate payment to Mr. Duffy. He was dismissed.” Anything else? Do the Conservatives feed you talking points directly? Or do you need to go and get them yourself from their website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The emails prove that this is BS. That the PMO cooked up a scheme, insisted that Duffy not cooperate with Deloitte or the RCMP, and got frustrated when their plans weren't working. But Conservative partisans don't really care about those facts. They prefer making up their own. And yet still no charged laid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) note to moderator: a post replay (within this same thread) because a certain member keeps feigning ignorance and keeps asking for something already provided! Harper now says he fired chief of staff for $90,000 cheque to Duffy Stephen Harper is changing the story on how his chief aide left the Prime Minister’s office after it was revealed Nigel Wright personally bailed out beleaguered Senator Mike Duffy. Mr. Harper revealed Monday morning in a Halifax radio interview that Mr. Wright was fired from his job as chief of staff in the PMO. Previously the Conservative Leader has always said the Bay Street executive resigned the top job in the Prime Minister’s office. "I think the responsibility whenever things go wrong is for us to take appropriate action,” Mr. Harper told News 95.7 Halifax. “As you know I had a chief of staff who made an inappropriate payment to Mr. Duffy. He was dismissed.” on edit: not necessary as member Reefer took care of the (socialist's) Madness! Edited August 18, 2015 by waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) And yet still no charged laid. So what? You even excuse the party when charges are laid. They've cheated in every election they've won and you just shrug your shoulders. Edited August 18, 2015 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 And yet still no charged laid. and if Duffy is acquitted of accepting a bribe? Quite the spectacle... the guy receiving is "the bribee"... the guy giving IS NOT "the briber"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Oh. And here is a statement from one of the Conservatives more articulate and reasonable supporters. And they say Conservative supporters are less educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 So what? You even excuse the party when charges are laid. They've cheated in every election they've won and you just shrug your shoulders. The NDP apparently cheat too, but you don't care about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 and if Duffy is acquitted of accepting a bribe? Quite the spectacle... the guy receiving is "the bribee"... the guy giving IS NOT "the briber"! Yup strange. As I understand it, they don't think they can prove intent in the case of Wright. Although, the emails seem fairly compelling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 wtf. Really? I wasn't talking about Harper firing Wright but this is far too easy. Here Anything else? Do the Conservatives feed you talking points directly? Or do you need to go and get them yourself from their website? Where did you get that idea? If Wright were dismissed with cause (fired), there would be a letter to this effect stating the reasons. Wright would have been able to appeal this under the Employment Standards Act. Nothing like this happened. Alternatively, Wright could have been dismissed without cause, in which case he would have received severance pay. There has been no indication this happened. If he tendered his resignation, he would not have received severance, and he was effectively dismissed when the resignation was accepted. Trying to spin this on semantics is a childish game. It won't convince anyone, and it just embarrasses you, making people less inclined to read any more of your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Oh. And here is a statement from one of the Conservatives more articulate and reasonable supporters. And they say Conservative supporters are less educated. note to moderator: video offered for clarity's sake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The direct quote was in the Globe story that was posted to you. You are being deceptive, again! Harper has never, ever said he fired Wright. It is correct by saying that Harper said he dismissed Wright. Wright resigned, Harper accepted the resignation and thereby dismissed Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 note to moderator: video offered for clarity's sake! About time. The MSM is going out of its way to go after harper on one thing, duffy. We are in a election yr and there is alotof important stuff people need to know. Bunch of vultures . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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