Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 .....oh you mean a citizenship gained by inheritance.....no actual work needed to be done. Gotcha.....I know how I value inheritance wealth more. Oh yes, and immigrants had to work hard to get that passport. Why, some of them had to lay down an investment in a Canadian company which they couldn't get out of for five years in order to get it! Most others had to be related to the guy who bought the passport, or who filled out the paperwork. You have to be hard-working, persistent, smart, and lucky to become rich (unless you win the lottery). You don't have to be any of that to gain Canadian citizenship. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Oh yes, and immigrants had to work hard to get that passport. Why, some of them had to lay down an investment in a Canadian company which they couldn't get out of for five years in order to get it! Most others had to be related to the guy who bought the passport, or who filled out the paperwork.You have to be hard-working, persistent, smart, and lucky to become rich (unless you win the lottery). You don't have to be any of that to gain Canadian citizenship. Yet you place value unequally despite this statement. Curious. Praytell what could the context be then other than that? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Until someone can point to some Egyptian statute; all persons arrested on Egyptian soil are subject to Egyptian law equally a d charged by prosecution....no matter citizenship, residency, or allegance. The response/defense to those charges are different depending on those factors above however. No need to point anything out - you've answered your own question. The other guy was an Australian. Fahmy is/was Egyptian who held dual Canadian citizenship. Quote Back to Basics
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 No need to point anything out - you've answered your own question. The other guy was an Australian. Fahmy is/was Egyptian who held dual Canadian citizenship. Right. Canada's response is different, not Egypt's. They could care less what citizenship he has. Quote
Guest Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 My point is you can't have Harper darting around the world playing Captain Canada every time someone gets in trouble abroad. I agree. The guy in jail in my post is Harper. Quote
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Yet you place value unequally despite this statement. Curious. Praytell what could the context be then other than that? Do you place a value on your family? Why? Just because you grew up with them? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Do you place a value on your family? Why? Just because you grew up with them? So you consider Natives your family? What point was that trying to make? People who you didn't grow up with in Trail BC are more valuable than the brown immigrant family down your street? Curious again. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 That would be someone born to Canadian parents. Is this that difficult a concept for you? What if the parents emigrated from Europe,like a good many Canadians. Or is that a difficult concept for you. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Who is Amal and why the hell is she in this story? Quote
Big Guy Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 As to Canadian blood, historically, there were leaders who were concerned about blood lines; "Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff. And all occurrences in the world history are only expressions of the races' instinct for self-preservation. What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Those who are physically and mentally unhealthy and unworthy must not perpetuate their suffering in the body of their children." This quotation from "Mein Kampf" reflects the views of its author and was facilitated by that author when he gained power in his country. Fortunately, even with his "creator of the universe" helping, he did not do very well. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 So you consider Natives your family? What point was that trying to make? People who you didn't grow up with in Trail BC are more valuable than the brown immigrant family down your street? Curious again. Like all on the far left, you have an obsession with skin pigmentation. It goes along with your inability to understand why anyone would be opposed to the large scale immigration program you don't understand, have never given a thought to, but embrace out of political correctness. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 As to Canadian blood, historically, there were leaders who were concerned about blood lines; It's curious how much time you seem to put into reading and regurgitating Nazi material. Are you a member of a Nazi party or a white supremacist party? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 As to Canadian blood, historically, there were leaders who were concerned about blood lines; True.....Tommy Douglas....the "Greatest Canadian"... was an enthusiastic eugenicist: Canadians suffer from a “collective national amnesia” regarding Tommy Douglas’s support for eugenics, likely because they are reluctant to taint the medicare pioneer’s glowing image with unsavoury ideas http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/14/tommy-douglas/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
overthere Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 You don't have to be any of that to gain Canadian citizenship. Yep, a random encounter between sperm and egg and you get to whine your whole life thereafter. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Wilber Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Of course it's her job. I am not denying that. Wilbur, come on. Pik's attack was on her credentials because she married a celebrity. Pik chose to not investigate her credentials before discrediting her as a woman married to a celebrity. Sometimes you don't know when people agree with you. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Right. Canada's response is different, not Egypt's. They could care less what citizenship he has. Perhaps he was advised to renounce his Egyptian citizenship on the assumption that it would force Canada's hand. Perhaps it was bad advice. I for one don't appreciate people trying to use their dual Canadian citizenship as a get out of jail free ticket when they get into trouble in the country of their other citizenship. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
overthere Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 His dual citizenship is not relevant to the Canadian govt, he has exactly the same rights and responsiibilities as any other Canadian. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Wilber Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 His dual citizenship is not relevant to the Canadian govt, he has exactly the same rights and responsiibilities as any other Canadian. The actions of an Egyptian citizen in Egypt aren't really any of the Canadian government's business. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Keepitsimple Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 The actions of an Egyptian citizen in Egypt aren't really any of the Canadian government's business. I think you've summed it up quite well - that's the conundrum that the media haven't taken the trouble to focus on. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 The actions of an Egyptian citizen in Egypt aren't really any of the Canadian government's business. The problem with that summation is that it ignores the fact he is also a Canadian citizen. What I would like to have a better handle on is exactly what his so called crime was. Apparently Australia didnt deem it of a significance to warrant not supporting their guy. From what I know they were both there as journalists for Al Jazeera, not as terrorists. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Sometimes you don't know when people agree with you. You were agreeing with me? For some reason, I didn't see that. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Big Guy Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 There are those on this board who seem to think that their views on immigrants and other Canadians without the "right blood" are something new and nationalistic and for those who seem curious why I post quotes from "Mein Kampf" and other "nationalists" and "isolationists" and leaders who desired to keep their culture "pure" - I suggest that you read them, think about them and see if/where you differ from those views of 70+ years ago. If your views are basically the same then if the shoe fits then wear it - even if that shoe is a jackboot. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 I for one don't appreciate people trying to use their dual Canadian citizenship as a get out of jail free ticket when they get into trouble in the country of their other citizenship. And here I was imagining Canada and Harper might want to stand on a higher principle like defending free speech and a free press, especially these days especially in this war. Silly me. F^*k are we pathetic or what? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 The problem with that summation is that it ignores the fact he is also a Canadian citizen. What I would like to have a better handle on is exactly what his so called crime was. Apparently Australia didnt deem it of a significance to warrant not supporting their guy. From what I know they were both there as journalists for Al Jazeera, not as terrorists. The fact he is a Canadian citizen is irrelevent, he is an Egyptian citizen being charged in Egypt. I have some sympathy for the guy and hope he gets out of there soon but if he was charged with a crime in Canada, how much say do you think the Egyptian government should say in the matter. If Canada goes to bat for him that's fine but Egypt is quite entitled to tell us to pound sand because he is an Egyptian citizen. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
overthere Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 I think you've summed it up quite well - that's the conundrum that the media haven't taken the trouble to focus on. He is a Canadian citizen seeking consular assistance. And received it. It is entirely legal and common to have dual or multiple citizenship in Canada. Tom Mulcair and Stepahn Dion are both dual citizens. But they are white, which -let's face it- is the problem for some with Citizen Fahmy who is brown. If he was in a Canadian jail and sought assistance from the Egyptian govt, he'd have gotten help from them. There is no conunumdrum. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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