Amal Clooney blasts Harper

[Wilber]

This 'conveneince' has nothing to do with Canadian citizenship. It is a helpful dodge by the Egyptian govt to render Fahmy a non-Egyptian and make it possible to deport him to the only place he has citizenship. Canada. They cannot render anybody stateless.

It is a helpful dodge if Egypt decides it is. He is their citizen in their country. For the record Fahmy gave up his Egyptian citizenship in hopes of getting deported.

Marwa Omara told The Canadian Press that it was a very difficult decision for Fahmy because he is a "proud Egyptian who comes from a family of military servicemen."

Edited March 1, 2015 by Wilber

[On Guard for Thee]

He is NO LONGER an Egyptian citizen.

[Wilber]

He is NO LONGER an Egyptian citizen.

So? Do you think a Canadian dual citizen charged with a crime in Canada should be automatically let go just because he decides to give up his Canadian citizenship? Don't you think that is something Canada should decide?

Edited March 1, 2015 by Wilber

[On Guard for Thee]

So? Do you think a Canadian dual citizen charged with a crime in Canada should be automatically let go just because he decides to give up his Canadian citizenship? Don't you think that is something Canada should decide?

So, they can deport him under the same law as they did Greste which they recently enacted, since they were both charged with the same so called crime.

[guyser]

Unlikely. Australian politicians including their PM and including Abbott have a long, long history of blubbering publicly whenever one of their citizens end up in a foreign jail, particularly in SE Asia where it is common.

Im not aware of any reputation like that with Aussie officials, and in particular....

Schapelle Corby for example and many others.

...PM Howard was quoted saying that Aussies wouldnt lioke a foreign nation telling us how to run our jusidicial system and they wont like it if we do it. There was concurrently a foreign prisoner swap being talke about betw the two countries but that was done normally every few years and wasnt doen for Corby's benefit (altho eh could have benefitted)

There is no evidence that the PM appeals have any impact on foreign govts or courts..

Reportedly that is the main reason why Gerte was released, due to intervention of Abbott.

[Wilber]

So, they can deport him under the same law as they did Greste which they recently enacted, since they were both charged with the same so called crime.

They can but they don't have to and it seems they have decided they don't want to.

[guyser]

There is a problem with comprehension on this thread.

Yes, and it appears you dont want to address it, unless it is with sidebars that are not applicable. Such as...

Egypt could give a flying fig about the dual citizenship of one of its citizens.

No one has suggested , nor intimated that they do or dont. They dont need to in order to try convict and incarcerate anyone. But they will when a PM of another counry comes calling, and even then they may never change their mind. But they understand how that foreign affairs work.

It allows him to seek it

So there is relevance. Ok

but it doesn't give Canada an obligation to give it.

Has anyone , anywhere suggested anything different? No. 10,000+ CDNS are in jails the world over and for the most part no one but thir own families care a whit. As it should be.

But every once in awhile something pops up and catches the attm of our Govt. This guy is one of those.

He is after all, an Egyptian citizen in Egypt. By his choice, not Canada's.

Nothing worse than pertinant facts left out to try and convince others is there wilber.

Interest maybe but no obligation and no authority.

And no one has said otherwise. Unless and until the facts start coming out that is.

Listen if the guy was a mule for the MusBro's or Isis , he is page 25 in the local paper.

He wasnt.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Guyser2

[guyser]

So? Do you think a Canadian dual citizen charged with a crime in Canada should be automatically let go just because he decides to give up his Canadian citizenship? Don't you think that is something Canada should decide?

Has anyone, anywhere suggeste that we dont?

For the record, we never (we = Cops/Lawyers/Judges etc) give a flying fig what nationality the accused is. Thats because all are supposedly equal under the law.

So what does giving up citizenship have to do with anything?

[Keepitsimple]

Oh so it had nothing to do with Abbott making that call.

I see.....

Thanks for the link, wait a sec....

Don't know why you need a link but heck, here's one. Why are you having so much trouble with this, other than being obtuse? It's pretty straight forward. Mohamed Fahmy is an Egyptian (or was) - Peter Greste is not. Fahmy was in Egypt as a proud Egyptian. Yet again for you - there's a big difference.

The family of Mohamed Fahmy has confirmed that the Egyptian-Canadian journalist has given up his Egyptian citizenship in the hope that it will get him released from a Cairo prison.

His fiancee, Marwa Omara, says Egyptian authorities essentially made freedom for Fahmy, who was arrested in 2013 and has been in jail since, conditional on doing so.

Marwa Omara told The Canadian Press that it was a very difficult decision for Fahmy because he is a "proud Egyptian who comes from a family of military servicemen."

Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/detained-canadian-journalist-mohamed-fahmy-gives-up-egyptian-citizenship-1.2940018

Edited March 1, 2015 by Keepitsimple

[guyser]

Don't know why you need a link but heck, here's one.

I read it. Nothing in there to suggest that Egypt let the Aussie go and kept Fahmy becuase the latter was Egyptian.

What is the diggerence in the two? ONe had a PM make a direct appeal to the head of Egypt, the other didnt.

Why are you having so much trouble with this, other than being obtuse?

Im guessing soince you cannot establish a link to your theory its the other way around.

It's pretty straight forward. Mohamed Fahmy is an Egyptian (or was) - Peter Greste is not. Fahmy was in Egypt as a proud Egyptian. Yet again for you - there's a big difference.

And of course you have shown nothing at all that establishes that Egypt kept Fahmy for being an Egyptian/Canadian and let the other guy go becuase he wasnt Egyptian.

Edited March 1, 2015 by Guyser2

[Keepitsimple]

I read it. Nothing in there to suggest that Egypt let the Aussie go and kept Fahmy becuase the latter was Egyptian.

What is the diggerence in the two? ONe had a PM make a direct appeal to the head of Egypt, the other didnt.

Im guessing soince you cannot establish a link to your theory its the other way around.

And of course you have shown nothing at all that establishes that Egypt kept Fahmy for being an Egyptian/Canadian and let the other guy go becuase he wasnt Egyptian.

You're hopeless. Part of the niceties of this forum is to learn through other peoples' perspectives and points of view. I have - not too often - but every now and then. You have offered nothing but a closed mind. Disappointing. End of discussion

[guyser]

You're hopeless. Part of the niceties of this forum is to learn through other peoples' perspectives and points of view.

Thats true, the latter part at least. I have learned quite a bit from this place.

I You have offered nothing but a closed mind. Disappointing. End of discussion

Look, you said one thing and was asked to prove that point. You didnt. There is enough printed on this case and nothing I have read suggests anything close to what you are saying, and that is ' he was let go cuz he (Aussie) wasnt Egyptian/he was kept because he (Fahmy)was Egyptian'

If there is something to back that up, let er rip. Otherwise....dont slag one for asking to back you point up.

[eyeball]

So there's no higher principle worth going to bat for here at all...free speech...freedom of the press... no reason to even try to bring any of our more primitive Coalition partners into the 21st century? No hearts or minds worth swaying, other than a little hard weenie and a warm smug feeling of righteousness for the base?

What a pathetic Coalition....
I can't believe my grandfathers almost lost their lives fighting for this piece of ****t we call a country.

Edited March 2, 2015 by Michael Hardner
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[Argus]

What a pathetic Coalition....

I can't believe my grandfathers almost lost their lives fighting for this piece of ****t we call a country.

I think your grandfathers would probably be horrified at almost all your political and ideological beliefs.

[Keepitsimple]

Here's a nice picture of Fahmy holding up an Egyptian flag two weeks ago when he got bail....yep, he's Canadian through and through....

Al-Jazeera English journalist Mohamed Fahmy holds up an Egyptian flag after a retrial a courthouse near Tora prison in Cairo, Egypt, Thursday, Feb. 12, 2015. Fahmy has left a prison in Cairo hours after an Egyptian court ordered him released on bail.

LInk: http://www.570news.com/2015/02/13/canadian-journalist-mohamed-fahmy-leaves-cairo-prison-on-bail/

[On Guard for Thee]

I think your grandfathers would probably be horrified at almost all your political and ideological beliefs.

This from the guy who whimpers about backlash he gets and deems insults. Crikey!

[On Guard for Thee]

Here's a nice picture of Fahmy holding up an Egyptian flag two weeks ago when he got bail....yep, he's Canadian through and through....

LInk: http://www.570news.com/2015/02/13/canadian-journalist-mohamed-fahmy-leaves-cairo-prison-on-bail/

Correct, thats all he is now. He will be deported back to Canadian soil soon, just watch.

[eyeball]

I think your grandfathers would probably be horrified at almost all your political and ideological beliefs.

Maybe, but if they could see Canada now I doubt it. I mean look at it this way - around here you find all sorts of upright Canadians who wax eloquently about Canada's greatness is due almost entirely to the democratic traditions of our past - what we are is because of what we were. Why would we change something that's served us so well in the past, another platitude derived from a perspective that's fixated on the rear-view mirror instead of paying attention to what we're what we're being dragged through. That said, and given what's up ahead I guess I can see why the past looks a lot rosier.

If there really is something to this notion we're more than less just products of our past I have the sneaking suspicion my grandpappies would be spinning in their graves in shame if they could see what we've become. So who's side were your's fighting on?

[Smallc]

Maybe, but if they could see Canada now I doubt it.

And why exactly do you think that? Compare Canada to almost any country in the world, and it becomes quite clear that you lack perspective. You have a whole bunch of first world problems that you think add up to make this country ****t. The reality is, by almost any definable metric, this country is one of the world's best. You're out to lunch, and pretty much anyone who fought for this country would be hard pressed to see eye to eye with you on almost any subject.

[poochy]

So there's no higher principle worth going to bat for here at all...free speech...freedom of the press... no reason to even try to bring any of our more primitive Coalition partners into the 21st century? No hearts or minds worth swaying, other than a little hard weenie and a warm smug feeling of righteousness for the base?

What a pathetic Coalition....

I can't believe my grandfathers almost lost their lives fighting for this piece of ****t we call a country.

The only time I worry for the future of this country is when i see that it sometimes spawns attitudes like yours. The idea that this country is a "piece of ****t" is utter lunacy, the nation doesn't have to fit your narrow point of view, nor are you the arbiter of what makes a good Canada.

[eyeball]

And why exactly do you think that?

Because of where are and how got here - brother's in arms with the same sorts of dictators our grandparents sacrificed so much for on our behalf. We're doing them all a dishonor.

Compare Canada to almost any country in the world, and it becomes quite clear that you lack perspective. You have a whole bunch of first world problems that you think add up to make this country ****t. The reality is, by almost any definable metric, this country is one of the world's best.

Is pretty easy to look good compared to the company we keep but that's certainly not stopping us from racing to the bottom anyway. It's Canada that's lost it's perspective, sold it out is more like it.

You're out to lunch, and pretty much anyone who fought for this country would be hard pressed to see eye to eye with you on almost any subject.

I am fighting for this country and if we were half the people we tell ourselves our grandparents were our national identity and character would've been shaped by speaking truth to super-power on the global stage decades ago...not following it around like a lost sick puppy.

[eyeball]

The only time I worry for the future of this country is when i see that it sometimes spawns attitudes like yours. The idea that this country is a "piece of ****t" is utter lunacy, the nation doesn't have to fit your narrow point of view, nor are you the arbiter of what makes a good Canada.

I know exactly what makes a good Canada - sacrifice, like the sacrifices we were all raised up to honour and acknowledge that our grandparents made to make this country great. Would speaking truth to super-power really hurt us that much - would the sacrifices we might have to endure by refusing to trade with dictators and despots and their networks of support have hurt us more than our grand-folks were hurt by the sacrifices they made? I refuse to believe it myself. If it did hurt it would have hurt in the way a good day's work might hurt, the kind of hurt you can wear with pride.

[Michael Hardner]

Please note that I have edited several posts here for profanity. Use of profanity is against the rules, and creates extra work for the mods. Please be kind, thanks.

[Keepitsimple]

Correct, thats all he is now. He will be deported back to Canadian soil soon, just watch.

Exactly - because now he can't be treated as an Egyption citizen and can be deported as a foreigner, just like Peter Greste, the Australian. That's always been the sticking point of this case.

[LemonPureLeaf]

Canada should revoke his citizenship. It's obvious that he doesn't love Canada and only using us.

Break Egyptian laws, do Egyptian jail time. I do not see the problem.

Even the most liked comments on the cbc say keep him in Egypt. So people here who are wanting him back in Canada are in a very small minority of Canadians overall. They're just jumping up and down a lot, throwing a tantrum and holding their breath.