GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Protests always stop traffic. Tens of thousands of protesters will always stop traffic. . I could walk faster on the Queensway during rush hour here in Ottawa. Traffic stops traffic. And all this f'n construction going on in the city.... is stopping, slowing traffic. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Thank you - and if you are even partially accurate, it's exactly why we need enhanced legislation. While you would have preferred a Chamberlain-esque appeasement approach to the lead-up to 9?11 and 9/11 itself - the fact is we are where we are - it is what it is - and you can argue its genesis until the cows come home. You can choose to ignore reality and find some non-existent road back to appeasement - or you take some incremental steps to protect Canadians. Good job on missing the point. Cybercoma indicated you look at the date of the CIA overthrow in Iran. Then we can throw in the Iran-Contra affair from the 80s? or was it the 90s. The CIA has been causing problems around the world. That is what they do. That is what they are designed to do. Problems need to be created for the solution to be delivered. Overthrowing the leadership in Iran is still causing the US issues today. Fancy that. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 I wish people like you would just draw the lines for us then, tell us, how many burning police cars is acceptable during a protest, im going to say 0, lets negotiate. The answer is none. None of us approve of violent protest. The Black Bloc participants cannot be considered protesters. Quote
WWWTT Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Nobody's losing any rights. True But after the bill reaches royal ascent and someone is charged, it will be up to that person to make the challenge to strike it down. Or someone else may make the challenge preemptive. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Protests always stop traffic. Tens of thousands of protesters will always stop traffic. . stopping traffic is a really stupid form of protest. All it does is piss off people that may otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. It wins no hearts and minds. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 The answer is none. None of us approve of violent protest. The Black Bloc participants cannot be considered protesters. There are people in this very thread that do. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 stopping traffic is a really stupid form of protest. All it does is piss off people that may otherwise be sympathetic to your cause. It wins no hearts and minds. Exactly. It does nothing but turn public sentiment against you. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 There are people in this very thread that do. Name them. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Both Cybercoma and Black Dog talk about how sometimes you have to rough things up to make change. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Both Cybercoma and Black Dog talk about how sometimes you have to rough things up to make change. Sometimes you do. I don't approve of it and neither do they, but when all other options have been depleted, what is the next step? A line from Celente which probably jacked it from someone else. 'When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.' When someone explains why violence would happen does not mean the advocate for it. Quote
eyeball Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 No and just because you advocate for anarchy doesn't imply disdain for order. Far from it actually. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Sometimes you do. I don't approve of it and neither do they, Then you should never approve of it. You never have to. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 No and just because you advocate for anarchy doesn't imply disdain for order. Far from it actually. Right. That makes a lot of sense. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 My understanding is that about 65% of Canadians support anti-terror legislation. An argument I see here is that if so many want it then we should have it. Well, about 65% of Canadians support capital punishment and we do not have it. One of the reasons why people do not support capital punishment is that we have seen that mistakes have been made and innocent people have been executed. But in capital punishment cases, we have appeals, transparency, etc and we still make mistakes. Now our government wants legislation to give extensive powers to an unaccountable organization whose only oversight is 16 bureaucrats whose leader is currently in a Panamanian jail. So why no capital punishment but OK to anti-terror legislation? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Then you should never approve of it. You never have to. I don't support the war on terror. But our leaders have no problems with sending other people into the war. If they really believe in what they are doing they would be the first to sign up and strap on a helmet and pick up a gun. But that does not happen. I don't support the Black Block, but then again I do not support the new so called anti-terrorist legislation. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 I don't support the war on terror. But our leaders have no problems with sending other people into the war. If they really believe in what they are doing they would be the first to sign up and strap on a helmet and pick up a gun. The job of a leader is to lead. The moment they pick up a tool, they cease to be a leader. That's the first rule in leadership school. Quote
Wilber Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 There is no capital punishment in this legislation. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Right. That makes a lot of sense. You've never heard of chaos theory? How about the path to enlightenment is painful? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 You've never heard of chaos theory? How about the path to enlightenment is painful? That's all a bunch of fluff. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 The job of a leader is to lead. The moment they pick up a tool, they cease to be a leader. That's the first rule in leadership school. That statement is exactly what is wrong with political, educational & corporate theory in this civilization today. The depraved extension of such philosophy is one should not pick up a tool lest he thought to be not "leaderly". Quote
Big Guy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) For those who are interested in what makes a Canadian kid switch from hockey to ISIS try: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/20/why-a-young-canadians-dream-turned-to-isis.html I have no doubt that each one has their own reasons but I am glad to see that some media outlet is actually asking those who have turned. I would like to see a lot more of these especially from those already in Syria and Iraq. Edited February 21, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 That statement is exactly what is wrong with political, educational & corporate theory in this civilization today. The depraved extension of such philosophy is one should not pick up a tool lest he thought to be not "leaderly". There's a reason in certain areas that we have rigid structures and designated functions. It simply works bette. Quote
Smallc Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 For those who are interested in what makes a Canadian kid switch from hockey to ISIS try: Stupidity Quote
eyeball Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 That's all a bunch of fluff. Given our policies are all a bunch of crap fluff sounds pretty good. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Keepitsimple Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Posted February 21, 2015 My understanding is that about 65% of Canadians support anti-terror legislation. An argument I see here is that if so many want it then we should have it. Well, about 65% of Canadians support capital punishment and we do not have it. One of the reasons why people do not support capital punishment is that we have seen that mistakes have been made and innocent people have been executed. But in capital punishment cases, we have appeals, transparency, etc and we still make mistakes. Now our government wants legislation to give extensive powers to an unaccountable organization whose only oversight is 16 bureaucrats whose leader is currently in a Panamanian jail. So why no capital punishment but OK to anti-terror legislation? Try 82% - more in Quebec. Check the other thread "over-whelming support"...... Quote Back to Basics
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