Big Guy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) I still submit that we are making a mistake in stopping these individuals from leaving. If we know who they are, let them go and cancel their passports so they cannot come back if they survive. If they do not survive then too bad. Potential problem solved. So now we have at least 10 young people who we believe to be radicalized, upset at being stopped for what they are doing and free to take their anger out on neighbors and locals. They can also radicalize others in the community. If we had let them go, we would be rid of them and able to keep them from coming back. Still makes no sense. Edited May 22, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 I have no fear of the bill. And no one should unless you are up to something. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Keepitsimple Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 I still submit that we are making a mistake in stopping these individuals from leaving. If we know who they are, let them go and cancel their passports so they cannot come back if they survive. If they do not survive then too bad. Potential problem solved. So now we have at least 10 young people who we believe to be radicalized, upset at being stopped for what they are doing and free to take their anger out on neighbors and locals. They can also radicalize others in the community. If we had let them go, we would be rid of them and able to keep them from coming back. Still makes no sense. Except for the innocent people that they kill when they are over there......and guess what - they are Canadians and they have rights - so how do you prevent them from returning "home"? They are Canadians - we HAVE to take them back, especially if we can't PROVE they were part of terrorism - and even then, they have guaranteed Charter Rights. Right? Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted May 22, 2015 Report Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) If they are Canadian and they have rights - what about their right to freedom of movement? We are now in the same group as the old East Germany and the new North Korea who keep their citizens from LEAVING their country. As to PROVING they were part of terrorism, I assume that we have already done that by arresting them for trying to leave. If we cannot prove that they are trying to leave to be part of terrorism then what are we doing arresting and detaining them? As to coming back, there are all kinds of Canadians who we have convicted in absentia of crimes giving us the right to throw them in jail if/when they come back. Edited May 22, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Civis Romanus sum Posted May 23, 2015 Report Posted May 23, 2015 I still submit that we are making a mistake in stopping these individuals from leaving. If we know who they are, let them go and cancel their passports so they cannot come back if they survive. That is not legal. You cannot keep Canadian citizens from returning to Canada for any reason. Quote
Big Guy Posted May 23, 2015 Report Posted May 23, 2015 Perhaps, but you can toss them in jail the minute they step on Canadian soil. We have a precedent in Omar Khadr - don't we? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Civis Romanus sum Posted May 25, 2015 Report Posted May 25, 2015 Perhaps, but you can toss them in jail the minute they step on Canadian soil. We have a precedent in Omar Khadr - don't we? No, we don't. He was convicted of killing a US medic in a US court while in a place he shouldn't even have been living. No one who tried to leave Canada has ever been arrested so there's no reason to think someone who leaves and comes back could be arrested either. Quote
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Whoa! She's a terrorist! Speaking against a pipeline, speaking against the government ... Yup a terrorist for sure! Economist Robyn Allan Withdraws From Kinder Morgan Review I am withdrawing as an expert intervenor from the National Energy Board review of the Trans Mountain Expansion Project. After dedicating professional expertise for more than a year, pro bono and in good faith, I have concluded that withdrawal is the only course of action. Continued participation endorses a broken system and enables the pretence of due process where none exists. The review is not conducted on a level playing field. The Panel is not an impartial referee. The game is rigged; its outcome pre-determined by a captured regulator. The NEBs integrity has been compromised. Its actions put the health and safety of the Canadian economy, society and environment in harms way. The NEB has unconscionably betrayed Canadians through a restricted scope of issues, violated the rules of procedural fairness and natural justice, and biased its decision-making in favour of Kinder Morgan. Edited May 31, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) U.S. government-confirms-earthquakes-are-fracking-related/ Hmm ... Looks like the Elsipogtog anti-fracking protest was justified. Are they still 'terrorists'? . Edited June 1, 2015 by jacee Quote
PIK Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 We have had eco terrorism before in this country and if some one mentions destruction to pipelines ,then yes bring them in. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 I have no fear of the bill. And no one should unless you are up to something. Up to something according to who, Steven Blaney, Stephen Harper...I fear this bill and I am about as far from a terrorist as you can get. Quote
jacee Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Posted June 1, 2015 We have had eco terrorism before in this country and if some one mentions destruction to pipelines ,then yes bring them in. That hasn't happened. They want to stop them, not break them. Quote
jacee Posted June 2, 2015 Author Report Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Cop threatens protesters that with C-51: "You could be terrorists..." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WFtOJHxXhNI"]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WFtOJHxXhNI "When the demo's done, you become citizens again." Now ... who was saying 'That won't happen'? The cops are peeing themselves with glee at the thought of being able to stop all protests and throw protesters in 'detention' for 'interrogation'! . Edited June 2, 2015 by jacee Quote
GostHacked Posted June 2, 2015 Report Posted June 2, 2015 I have no fear of the bill. And no one should unless you are up to something. That is a point the authorities are putting across, but whenever the government is investigated, we see it act the complete opposite. So, why would you allow the hypocrite to tell you what you must do? If the government has nothing to hide, why does it? Quote
Wilber Posted June 2, 2015 Report Posted June 2, 2015 That is a point the authorities are putting across, but whenever the government is investigated, we see it act the complete opposite. So, why would you allow the hypocrite to tell you what you must do? If the government has nothing to hide, why does it? Transparency. The biggest lie in politics. They all promise it but none deliver. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Mighty AC Posted June 2, 2015 Report Posted June 2, 2015 Traditionally conservative and libertarian groups like the National Firearms Association, Free Dominion, churches, the Libertarian party and many private businesses have issued a joint letter to combat C-51. Principled Conservatives and Libertarians Against Bill C-51 This bill is bad news for our privacy and freedom. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Je suis Omar Posted June 2, 2015 Report Posted June 2, 2015 I still submit that we are making a mistake in stopping these individuals from leaving. If we know who they are, let them go and cancel their passports so they cannot come back if they survive. If they do not survive then too bad. Potential problem solved. So now we have at least 10 young people who we believe to be radicalized, upset at being stopped for what they are doing and free to take their anger out on neighbors and locals. They can also radicalize others in the community. If we had let them go, we would be rid of them and able to keep them from coming back. Still makes no sense. What's the difference between being propagandized and being radicalized, BigGuy. Count the total number dead from those who have been propagandized compared to those who have been "radicalized". "Radicalized"!; someone has obviously been propagandized. How many Blackwater terrorists are in jail? Is Dillon Hillier in jail yet? Quote
PIK Posted June 3, 2015 Report Posted June 3, 2015 If you think hillier is a terrorist, then you must think the people he was fighting are the heroes. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) If you've followed the adventures of the Sea Shepherd , Paul Watson ' s anti-whaling campaign, Whale Wars... this will interest you: Without reason, Harper has revoked Paul Watson ' s passport. There are no words ... ? Paul Watson speaks: I am a Canadian. Je suis Canadien. I don't often take sides politically because for the most part political parties everywhere are pretty much all the same when it comes to environmental and conservation issues. Of course many of you will disagree but that's my opinion from a biocentric perspective. But in Canada's case it is very personal. I don't have a Canadian passport. Why? Because Stephen Harper took it away from me. Is it because Im wanted for a crime in Canada or did I commit a crime in Canada? No. There is no Canadian warrant for me in Canada. Stephen Harper took away my Canadian passport because Japan asked him to take it away. Why? Because we opposed illegal Japanese whaling in the Southern Ocean, a whaling operation that has been condemned as illegal by the International Court of Justice. http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/watson-shot/384/ Stephen Harper decided that supporting illegal Japanese whaling was more important than defending the rights of one of his own citizens. Now, this would have caused me some very serious problems if not for one important consideration. I hold two passports. I am both a citizen of Canada, where I was born, as well as a naturalized American citizen.The United States allows me to keep my passport and to travel and live in the United States. I can still travel because I have the benefit of U.S. citizenship. But I can't go to Canada. ... My family did not fight in five wars for Canada (Quebec 1759, Boer War, WW I, WWI and Korea) so that an authoritarian leader like Stephen Harper could convert our democracy into a police state for the benefit of the resource extraction companies. There is no Islamic threat to Canada. There never has been. C-51 has been designed to oppose environmentalists and First Nations and to benefit the interests of corporations both domestic and foreign. Mind boggling. Harper is flexing his muscles, trying out his new powers ... Super Steve! SAVE THE WHALERS! Um ... wasn't that supposed to be 'save the whales'? I wonder who else is on Harper's hit list. :/ . Edited June 14, 2015 by jacee Quote
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