CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting article about how niqab issue and it can affect the election results. http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/08/the-niqab-issue-is-about-to-blow-up-in-stephen-harpers-face/ Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 As I have said before, this is an issue in which the really dramatic cultural difference in view are not that of fundamentalist Muslims vs secular Canada, but the extraordinary unanimity of political correctness among the central Canada artistic, media and academic elites, vs everyone else. The pundits and columnists can hardly contain their indignation and outrage. Look at Andrew Coyne. He looks like his head is going to explode over it every time he can get himself on TV to scream abuse at Harper. Yet every poll shows massive support from the people of Canada across all demographic lines and including immigrants. It just shows how out of touch these smug and sanctimonious elites are with regular people. Yes. Let's all be like "regular people" and dump science. The bible will tell us everything we need to know. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting article about how niqab issue and it can affect the election results. http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/08/the-niqab-issue-is-about-to-blow-up-in-stephen-harpers-face/ Death by dumbing-down is an ugly sight. No one has yet conducted an interview with Harper that directly deals with his dishonesty, his dictatorial ways, his contempt for democracy. He is still wrapped in the aura of office, smelling like a dead flounder. Everyone is pretending it’s perfume. Harper losing the election and being called out for inciting bigotry would be sweet justice. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Shady Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting article about how niqab issue and it can affect the election results. http://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/08/the-niqab-issue-is-about-to-blow-up-in-stephen-harpers-face/ Right. And his evidence of his ridiculous assertions comes from a visit to Vancouver. As if Vancouver is a fair representation of the entire country. Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Yes. Let's all be like "regular people" and dump science. The bible will tell us everything we need to know. There's a science to the niqab issue? Do you even understand the weirdness of your response given your fierce defense of a woman who insists her religion demands she wear a bag over her head everywhere she goes? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 There's a science to the niqab issue? Do you even understand the weirdness of your response given your fierce defense of a woman who insists her religion demands she wear a bag over her head everywhere she goes? I understand that academics and scientists are thinking people - who use intelligence and logic to come to conclusions. And I understand how threatening those things are to Harper and the religious right. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I understand that academics and scientists are thinking people - who use intelligence and logic to come to conclusions. And I understand how threatening those things are to Harper and the religious right. And again, the guy who detests the 'religious right' ardently defending the religious far, far far right which is represented by niqab wearers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I like this idea in theory but I wonder how it could be implemented? As discussed before, a public education program - aimed at men and male dominated institutions. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 There's a science to the niqab issue? Political science. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 As discussed before, a public education program - aimed at men and male dominated institutions. Sorry I missed it previously, but don't we have that already, albeit directed at white males who still think they should be dominant? No doubt it could be fine tuned to include more subtle signs of subjugation, but where does one draw the line? If a man controls the household money, does that imply he's subjugating the woman, or that he's the better money manager? If a woman does all the cooking, is it because she's oppressed (I would be, because I hate having to do all the cooking), or because she's the better cook and really enjoys it? There are couples in Canada who deliberately choose a lifestyle in which the man calls all the shots, and the woman obeys - includes everything from what she wears, to how she spends her days, to what she cooks, to how often they have sex and with whom. There are also couples in which it's the woman who calls all the shots, and the man obeys. Are these kinds of relationships acceptable? Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 It's a non issue that has had way too much time spent on it. Perhaps, but that hasn't stopped the opposition from making it the main point of every speech, and every political news organization from featuring it day after day. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Sorry I missed it previously, but don't we have that already, albeit directed at white males who still think they should be dominant? No doubt it could be fine tuned to include more subtle signs of subjugation, but where does one draw the line? If a man controls the household money, does that imply he's subjugating the woman, or that he's the better money manager? If a woman does all the cooking, is it because she's oppressed (I would be, because I hate having to do all the cooking), or because she's the better cook and really enjoys it? There are couples in Canada who deliberately choose a lifestyle in which the man calls all the shots, and the woman obeys - includes everything from what she wears, to how she spends her days, to what she cooks, to how often they have sex and with whom. There are also couples in which it's the woman who calls all the shots, and the man obeys. Are these kinds of relationships acceptable? I'd draw draw the line where the issue is, misogyny - hatred and hostility towards women. Not what you're talking about. For the record, I do all the cooking and she who is to be obeyed calls the shots in bed. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Perhaps, but that hasn't stopped the opposition from making it the main point of every speech, and every political news organization from featuring it day after day. Which fits quite nicely into Harper's plan so he can avoid questions on the economy. Just as the niqab issue began to fade, he announces he would look at banning it within the public service, fanning the flames yet again. Although by the looks of his poll #s, it may just be backfiring on him. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Which fits quite nicely into Harper's plan so he can avoid questions on the economy. Just as the niqab issue began to fade, he announces he would look at banning it within the public service, fanning the flames yet again. Although by the looks of his poll #s, it may just be backfiring on him. I think the Tories' chief mistake was assuming that just because voters agree with you on an issue that they are going to vote for you. About the only thing the Niqab issue has done is screw over there NDP, with most of the advantage going to the Liberals, who hold a near identical position to the NDP. I wonder if the Tory strategists fully appreciate the irony of that situation. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I think the Tories' chief mistake was assuming that just because voters agree with you on an issue that they are going to vote for you. About the only thing the Niqab issue has done is screw over there NDP, with most of the advantage going to the Liberals, who hold a near identical position to the NDP. I wonder if the Tory strategists fully appreciate the irony of that situation. I'm sure they may be pondering it now. It is interesting how the Niqab issue hurt the NDP so much more, but it eroded their support in PQ which was a big stronghold for them. It also may have been at least part of the tipping point that sent the ABC strategic voters into the arms of the LPC. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) I think the Tories' chief mistake was assuming that just because voters agree with you on an issue that they are going to vote for you. About the only thing the Niqab issue has done is screw over there NDP, with most of the advantage going to the Liberals, who hold a near identical position to the NDP. I wonder if the Tory strategists fully appreciate the irony of that situation. Initially they saw moving up in the polls especially in Quebec playing on people's emotions. So they dialed up the rhetoric even more the following days even as far as calling it barbaric cultural practices expecting to rise in polls even higher closing in on the majority by politics of division and conquer not knowing that emotions are always short lived. After a few days people jumping to the conservative ship purely based on emotions realized that there are other more important issues affecting their lives and that their emotions are being exploited by conservative politicians. People also realized the vicious nature of these politicians that they stand short of nothing to be elected. Then they started going back to their own parties and some leaving conservative camps even and some determined ABCs originally on NDP's side to jump to Liberals as they realized that Liberals are the only force to stop these corrupt vicious politicians from forming a government. Edited October 10, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Which fits quite nicely into Harper's plan so he can avoid questions on the economy. Just as the niqab issue began to fade, he announces he would look at banning it within the public service, fanning the flames yet again. Although by the looks of his poll #s, it may just be backfiring on him. He made no such announcement. He was asked by a CBC reporter if he would consider banning it from the public service as the Quebec government is doing, and he replied, saying, sure, he would 'consider' it. The media then got to breathlessly headline this. Edited October 10, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I'm sure they may be pondering it now. It is interesting how the Niqab issue hurt the NDP so much more, but it eroded their support in PQ which was a big stronghold for them. Mulcair has strongly defended it, but Trudeau avoids talking about it except in English. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 He made no such announcement. He was asked by a CBC reporter if he would consider banning it from the public service as the Quebec government is doing, and he replied, saying, sure, he would 'consider' it. The media then got to breathlessly headline this. Thank you for confirming what I pointed out. Quote
ironstone Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I wonder why so many are are absolutely outraged over what Harper is considering about this niqab issue?Where was the same amount of outrage in 2010 in Quebec?Were you ok with it because it was a Liberal government that did it? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/03/24/quebec_bans_niqab_from_government_services.html Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Thank you for confirming what I pointed out. What I pointed out was that you were lying. You're welcome. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I wonder why so many are are absolutely outraged over what Harper is considering about this niqab issue?Where was the same amount of outrage in 2010 in Quebec?Were you ok with it because it was a Liberal government that did it? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/03/24/quebec_bans_niqab_from_government_services.html "Many" are not outraged. The Ontario academic and media elites are outraged. There is a difference. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 What I pointed out was that you were lying. You're welcome. No, actually, I was watching TV when I heard him say, just what I said he said. Maybe you missed it. Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 No, actually, I was watching TV when I heard him say, just what I said he said. Maybe you missed it. Answering a question = making an announcement? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Answering a question = making an announcement?When you are suggesting a significant policy change then, yep, it is. Quote
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