ReeferMadness Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 She was sworn in today wearing her niqab. As much as I don't agree with the niqab, and as much as I hated this issue becoming an election issue (and the repercussions it had for the NDP), I'm really happy to see her sworn in wearing it. ditto. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hydraboss Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I'm really happy to see her sworn in wearing it. So am I actually. I think the CPC may get a bump the more this stays in the press. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 She was sworn in today wearing her niqab. As much as I don't agree with the niqab, and as much as I hated this issue becoming an election issue (and the repercussions it had for the NDP), I'm really happy to see her sworn in wearing it. Why? You think it's good to have more religious extremists voting? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 So am I actually. I think the CPC may get a bump the more this stays in the press. The polls are consistent, across all party lines and all demographics. Canadians don't like the niqab or those who wear them. Heck, I caught the tail end of an interview on CTV news this afternoon with Tarek Fatah, who was angry at the way he thinks Muslims are being portrayed. The last words he spoke were "Ninety percent of Muslims would never even talk to someone in a niqab!" So maybe a lot of Muslims don't like them either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Why? You think it's good to have more religious extremists voting? No, because Harper didn't win. Btw devout isn't necessarily extremist no matter how much you wish it to be. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Peter F Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 "All's well that ends well." -- P.E.Trudeau Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The polls are consistent, across all party lines and all demographics. Canadians don't like the niqab or those who wear them. Heck, I caught the tail end of an interview on CTV news this afternoon with Tarek Fatah, who was angry at the way he thinks Muslims are being portrayed. The last words he spoke were "Ninety percent of Muslims would never even talk to someone in a niqab!" So maybe a lot of Muslims don't like them either. The only difference now is he'll will lose to a Trudeau instead of Mulcair. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 No, because Harper didn't win. Btw devout isn't necessarily extremist no matter how much you wish it to be. Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? What do you think a particular "devout" Muslim thinks about social issues like abortion, the death penalty and gay rights, you now, those issues so dear to the hearts of all good progressives? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? What do you think a particular "devout" Muslim thinks about social issues like abortion, the death penalty and gay rights, you now, those issues so dear to the hearts of all good progressives?I'm glad to see she got her citizenship in time so she can vote. Hopefully now Harper will back off and deal with some real issues. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? What do you think a particular "devout" Muslim thinks about social issues like abortion, the death penalty and gay rights, you now, those issues so dear to the hearts of all good progressives? Probably about the same as that of an evangelical Christian. And speaking of Harper..... Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? What do you think a particular "devout" Muslim thinks about social issues like abortion, the death penalty and gay rights, you now, those issues so dear to the hearts of all good progressives? Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? 1. Abortion: Ok until the 4th month, when its believed fetus' become a living soul. That's nearly identical to what 'progressives' think, eh? 2. Homosexuality: wrong, though penalties differ among the various sects from no penalty to death. 3. Death penalty: Supported for serious crime, such as murder, treason, apostasy, rape, adultery, homosexuality; dependent also on what particular sect is Let's compare Christian beliefs: 1. Abortion: Wrong under any circumstances 2. Homosexuality: Wrong under any circumstances 3. Death penalty: Generally yes for serious crimes, but also dependent on individual church teachings as well as individual beliefs So, not a lot of difference, eh? Just like most Christians, most Muslims are happy to let other people live their own life. Just like Christianity, there are differences between sects and differences between individuals. Just like in Christianity, there are fanatics who give the entire faith a bad name. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? What do you think a particular "devout" Muslim thinks about social issues like abortion, the death penalty and gay rights, you now, those issues so dear to the hearts of all good progressives? Yeah, I know it's very close to many conservative views which makes me wonder why you're worried about her voting preferences. And again, her views alone don't make her an extremist. If she goes out killing infidels, gays and apostates, then we'll chat. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ironstone Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 What is the Christian equivalent of the Taliban or ISIS? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Yes, those are extremists. Something Argus likes to conflate with anyone Muslim. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
eyeball Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) What is the Christian equivalent of the Taliban or ISIS? The Lord's Resistance Army. Edited October 9, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
The_Squid Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Nonsense. Harper knows he doesn't want to answer questions on his economic performance, so keeping the niqab issues open suits him, and his bigoted base. Now he has the refugee scandal breaking so niqabs are us is a place to try and hide. I agree with Argus, for once. There is wide support about this... including women who don't want other women who happen to be Muslim to be under their spouse's authoritarian rule. So to call it "the bigoted base" is really ignoring the facts... Quote
GostHacked Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Do you seriously think a couple of 14 year old boys listened to Harper and this caused them to yank at a woman's headscarf as they were pedaling by? I mean, seriously!? What are you smoking anyway? Personally I am smoking the stuff that Harper thinks is infinitely worse than tobacco. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I also think that the anti-semitism from the left stirs up much of the rise in anti-semitic activity. You think a lot of things, most of them incorrect. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 What is the Christian equivalent of the Taliban or ISIS? Government. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Probably about the same as that of an evangelical Christian. And speaking of Harper..... But you sneer at Evangelical Christians and call them dangerous, yet you defend fundamentalist Muslims who have far more regressive social views. Hypocritical, much? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
poochy Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Government. Despite your obviously well reasoned retort, there isn't one. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I agree with Argus, for once. There is wide support about this... including women who don't want other women who happen to be Muslim to be under their spouse's authoritarian rule. So to call it "the bigoted base" is really ignoring the facts... I'm all for banning niqabs and burkas, but singling out a citizenship ceremony where she's already shown her face to a female officer is ridiculous. Harper totally used the issue to appeal to anti-Muslim hysteria. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ironstone Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Government. Maybe I'll regret asking you this,but in your mind ,which "Christian"government do you compare to the Taliban or ISIL? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
The_Squid Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I'm all for banning niqabs and burkas, but singling out a citizenship ceremony where she's already shown her face to a female officer is ridiculous. Harper totally used the issue to appeal to anti-Muslim hysteria. Of course he did... you and I are smart enough to see this for what it is... and it's stupid. He has blown it out of all proportion for cheap political gain. It really isn't a big issue and, while I am all for banning the niqab, it's not going to change my vote in the slightest.... It shows that Harper will stoop to any low to get some votes. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Do you know anything about Muslim beliefs? 1. Abortion: Ok until the 4th month, when its believed fetus' become a living soul. That's nearly identical to what 'progressives' think, eh? Abortion is illegal in much of the Muslim world, particularly the middle east. As for progressives, as far as most of them are concerned anyone who questions the right to an abortion up to the 9th month is basically Adolph Hitler reincarnated - well, unless they're Muslim, of course. 2. Homosexuality: wrong, though penalties differ among the various sects from no penalty to death. Which Muslim countries allow homosexuality? 3. Death penalty: Supported for serious crime, such as murder, treason, apostasy, rape, adultery, homosexuality; dependent also on what particular sect is Death for wanting to leave Islam. Nice. Let's compare Christian beliefs: 1. Abortion: Wrong under any circumstances And yet abortion is legal in pretty much all western countries, all of whom are Christian. 2. Homosexuality: Wrong under any circumstances And yet no Christian church in the west supports gays being imprisoned, much less executed. 3. Death penalty: Generally yes for serious crimes, but also dependent on individual church teachings as well as individual beliefs Most Christian organizations are against the death penalty, including the Catholic church. So, not a lot of difference, eh? If you're blind, deaf dumb and stupid, I suppose. Most of us who have our judgements based on more reality feel the differences between them are vast. Edited October 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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