What right have you lost.

Black Dog · February 3, 2015

BTW there's little difference between Harper re-affirming Anti-Terror Policies and JT deciding to re-open the discussion about Abortion by saying nominees have to be Pro-Choice.

Not once has Harper even approached discussing Abortion since he became PM. But JT decided to rile up both bases by talking about Abortion. There was no reason for it.

Harper is doing the same here. He's capitalizing on the sentiment following the France Shooting to rile up the base and rile of the opposition's base so he can target opponents as pro terrorism.

Good Politics.

That's all it ever is with this bunch. Politics, not policy.

cybercoma · February 3, 2015

The issue is that a terrorist attack can potentially kill thousands, tens of thousands or even more. If somebody wants to eat themselves to death, that's their choice. I'm sure you can see the difference in your non-apt comparisons.

Why not just say millions or billion or TRILLIONS???

eyeball · February 3, 2015

Yes, let's try again. What Harper aggression are you referring to?

Actually I said our government's aggression but have it his way if you'd like. I'm referring to his obvious escalation of rhetoric and resolve that Canada stand prominently at the fore front, no pun intended, of the Coalition.

For clues to why that makes us insecure, google up GWOT, root-causes and blow-back. Context is key - I can't stress that enough. Good luck.

eyeball · February 3, 2015

He's capitalizing on the sentiment following the France Shooting to rile up the base and rile of the opposition's base so he can target opponents as pro terrorism.

Good Politics.

A real nation builder alright, a Prime Ministerial trait he admires greatly, apparently.

bush_cheney2004 · February 3, 2015

....For clues to why that makes us insecure, google up GWOT, root-causes and blow-back. Context is key - I can't stress that enough. Good luck.

Got it...even though such actions and policies pre-date PM Harper. But the message is clear....you feel insecure.

Boges · February 3, 2015

A real nation builder alright, a Prime Ministerial trait he admires greatly, apparently.

And you were never going to vote for him not matter what he does. So your opinion is irrelevant.

BTW Chretien also introduced Anti-Terrorism laws, was he killing our democracy too?

Edited February 3, 2015 by Boges

Black Dog · February 3, 2015

And you were never going to vote for him not matter what he does. So you're opinion is irrelevant.

BTW Chretien also introduced Anti-Terrorism laws, was he killing our democracy too?

personally, I'm glad to see people on both sides discussing this bill without resorting to partisan hyperbole.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

PIK - can you perhaps provide a link as a starting point, such as somebody saying they're rights are compromised.

Let's look back on the other times the government tried to ram through new policies in which the SCC ruled it was not constitutional. If that had gone through, your rights would be affected.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

Good point. Just be careful who you remind of those stats, it used to be illegal to kill yourself in this country and we dont want to see a addition to C 51 where you could be arrested if you might kill yourself.

Cops might end up shooting you anyways in an effort to save you from killing yourself.

eyeball · February 3, 2015

Interesting point and perspective.......none the less, I hope the NDP and Liberals campaign against the anti-terror laws well doubling down on their views over the lack of threat posed by ISIS........

I'd rather see them campaign against having anything to do with the Coalition of Idiots myself. How freaking hard can it be for Tom Mulcair or someone to stand up in Parliament and rebut the soft-on-terror shtick by saying they're just not as fanatical about it as Harper?

I'd really like to think most Canadians would be intelligent enough to roll their eyes when Conservatives sputter, "Huh? What's that even mean", but I'm not holding my breath, there just seems to be way too much stupidity to hope it can be overcome.

You probably have it made in the shade with Harper - like taking candy from a baby. All that's standing between Harper and the biggest Conservative victory in the history of the Commonwealth is a couple of body bags. You really believe that would harm your chances at this point?

eyeball · February 3, 2015

You're not being intellectually honest.

/facepalm

eyeball · February 3, 2015

And you were never going to vote for him not matter what he does. So your opinion is irrelevant.

BTW Chretien also introduced Anti-Terrorism laws, was he killing our democracy too?

Yes he was.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

I think Moonlight Graham's post really tells us what the deal is. Page 2, Post #23.

I wonder when people will draw a line and start to push back. How much is too much?

Derek 2.0 · February 3, 2015

I'd rather see them campaign against having anything to do with the Coalition of Idiots myself. How freaking hard can it be for Tom Mulcair or someone to stand up in Parliament and rebut the soft-on-terror shtick by saying they're just not as fanatical about it as Harper?

I fully agree, I'd love to see both Trudeau and Mulcair downplay the threat of terrorism.........

I'd really like to think most Canadians would be intelligent enough to roll their eyes when Conservatives sputter, "Huh? What's that even mean", but I'm not holding my breath, there just seems to be way too much stupidity to hope it can be overcome.

The latest polls that I've seen suggest 65-70% of Canadians support the fight against ISIS.........surely some on the "left" are onside then.

You probably have it made in the shade with Harper - like taking candy from a baby. All that's standing between Harper and the biggest Conservative victory in the history of the Commonwealth is a couple of body bags. You really believe that would harm your chances at this point?

I have no doubt that if a couple of "body bags" returned home, some (like you) would waste no time to start dancing on the fallen's graves.

eyeball · February 3, 2015

I think Moonlight Graham's post really tells us what the deal is. Page 2, Post #23.

I wonder when people will draw a line and start to push back. How much is too much?

When the thing holding the hand of freedom and hand of security together is a set of locked cuffs.

By then it might be too late.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

When the thing holding the hand of freedom and hand of security together is a set of locked cuffs.

By then it might be too late.

People are more upset by deflated footballs and other non-issues compared to their rights being stripped away.

eyeball · February 3, 2015

I have no doubt that if a couple of "body bags" returned home, some (like you) would waste no time to start dancing on the fallen's graves.

Not really. I'll be weeping at the spectacle of the last nails being driven into the coffin that holds what remains of the Canada I grew up in. I really do think the push Harper would get from dead soldiers will be a disaster for the left in Canada. And it's why I think Harper is probably the most despicably Machiavellian right wing leader on the planet.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

Not really. I'll be weeping at the spectacle of the last nails being driven into the coffin that holds what remains of the Canada I grew up in. I really do think the push Harper would get from dead soldiers will be a disaster for the left in Canada. And it's why I think Harper is probably the most despicably Machiavellian right wing leader on the planet.

Did you watch the clip on CBC with Harper. The man looks like he is not getting much sleep. Something is worrying him greatly. His masters must be keeping him busy.

Terrorists don't take away my rights. My government does in reaction to terrorism. Harper has it wrong.

Derek 2.0 · February 3, 2015

Not really. I'll be weeping at the spectacle of the last nails being driven into the coffin that holds what remains of the Canada I grew up in. I really do think the push Harper would get from dead soldiers will be a disaster for the left in Canada. And it's why I think Harper is probably the most despicably Machiavellian right wing leader on the planet.

In what universe was this place you grew up in called Canada?

eyeball · February 3, 2015

The same one you're in. So what's your story, you grew up hating the place and have since come to love it?

Derek 2.0 · February 3, 2015

The same one you're in. So what's your story, you grew up hating the place and have since come to love it?

Not at all, but I’m not delusional, nor nostalgic for some Canada that never was…….

scribblet · February 3, 2015

I think Moonlight Graham's post really tells us what the deal is. Page 2, Post #23.

I wonder when people will draw a line and start to push back. How much is too much?

When the average everyday Joe is actually negatively affected by anti terrorism legislation. So far they are not, we haven't lost anything, we all go about our business and lives as we always have, so all the hyperbole about losing rights and democracy, is just that - hyperbole.

GostHacked · February 3, 2015

When the average everyday Joe is actually negatively affected by anti terrorism legislation. So far they are not, we haven't lost anything, we all go about our business and lives as we always have, so all the hyperbole about losing rights and democracy, is just that - hyperbole.

How many of us have been affected by terrorism?

eyeball · February 4, 2015

Not at all, but I’m not delusional, nor nostalgic for some Canada that never was…….

Well, maybe my teachers were delusional and nostalgic, I'm kinda going by the crap they taught me, and I mean the one's I had before they transferred me to Rochdale Elementary.

Edited February 4, 2015 by eyeball