Israel's war crimes in Gaza

[Rue]

I EDITED THIS POST

Big Guy stated " I do not recollect reading anywhere that Palestinians consider themselves as "God's chosen people".

He then went on to suggest Canada wash its hands of Israel the way it has ISIS.

I would argue that Big Guy's comments contend and infer the following:

1-that Israelis and Jews believe we are God's chosen people and this is the reason to not have any relations with us as he went on to

state in washing hands.

2-His words has equate Isis with Israel and necessarily all Jews as terrorists because we believe we are chosen and started a nation.

In regards to statement 1, I again point out this statement uses a supposed criticism of Israel as a pretext but in fact makes a false statement about all Jews and our beliefs and it is a classic example once again of using the pretext of criticizing Israel to in fact make a false statement about Jews, and then use that false belief in the very next statement to incite hatred against Jews comparing us to ISIL terrorists and suggesting we be treated the same way for believing we are chosen.

I again state that I contend his statements above contain hateful false smeers as to the beliefs of all Jews and displays a blatant ignorance about Judaism which necessarily demonizes all Jews and rationalizes hating us because of our falsely misrpresented beliefs which are inferred to be the reason we created the state of Israel.

I again wish to make it clear-nothing in Judaism defines Jews as superior to others, or chosen or favoured and nothing in Zionism takes that religious concept and enacts it in political ideology. This is a falsehood, an ancient anti semitic diatribe repeated by anti semites for over 4,000 years and resurrected in the guise and pretext of criticizing Zionism and Israel and Jews all at once. Enough.

In Judaism there is a covenant or agreement we were said to have made with God. In this concept we agreed that if we remained a collective when worshipping God, God in return would remember us as a collective. There was no word chosen. That is a false translation. There are terms for the covenant of mutual recognition we made no concept we get special favours from God.

No where in that covenant did it say we were better than others, believe we are better than others or be treated better by God.

I challenge his false categorization of Judaism and his linking it to urging washing one's hands not just of Israel but necessarily of Jews since his misrepresentation attacks all Jews not just Israelis or Zionists with the accusation of feeling superior to non Jews .

That is an anti-Semitic hateful canard raised again and again in posts supposedly questioning the state of Israel. It questions not just a specific Israeli action but in fact the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state and for Jews to be Jews whether they be in a Jewish state or not. The words are there. The false reference to Jews thinking we are better then others is there.

Enough with this continually repeated lie.

We Jews believe we worship God through a collective or congregation not as individuals and when we do, God will liaise back to us as a congregation or collective. Period. End of story. I ask anyone, if they have a claim Judaism says we are superior to non Jews provide the evidence. It does not exist and its not just this Jew who says it, its Muslims and Christians who take the time to understand our religion as we do there religion. In reality good Muslims, Jews and Christians all respect one another. There were passages in Christianity and Islam used and still used by those to believe non believers of their religion will go to hell but modern Christianity and the largest following the Catholic Church have reconciled with Jews as have progressive Muslim believers who will point to the passages of respect as much as some others might use other passages to promote intolerance.

In Judaism the Talmud and Old Testament and thousands of Rabbinical essays nothing phases Jews as superior and in fact makes it clear we honour all religions as equals and this is precisely why we do not define Muslims or Jews as infidel or going to hell. It is Christianity that states if you do not accept Christ as your saviour your soul remains imperfected no. Judaism does not state that about any other religious believer's soul.

It is Islam that states all non Muslims are infidel and go to hell. This is why in sharia law states Dhimmitude is the enactment of sharia law through state government to assure non Muslims are kept inferior, not allowed to own land and not allowed the same legal rights as Muslims not Judaism. This is precisely why progressive Muslism leave sharia law states. They do not want to live with such practices that also define Muslim gays and women as inferiors, etc.

It is a major proponent of Islamic beliefg today and Christianity in the past and still with some active cells of belief that push conversion. Jews did not and are prohibited from converting others. We do not convert people precisely because we don't think other religions are inferior. If someone wants to become a Jew, they must come on their own, not because a Jew tells them.

Zionism was created by socialist atheists to redefine Jews not as followers of Judaism the religion but as political and national collective of peoples who identify as Jews as an ethic collective identity. In fact its not religious at all which is why ultra orthodox Jews won't recognize it. It does not define a Jew as a religious Jew but as a political national Jew and it does not define a Jew in the state of Israel as having superior rights to Muslim or Christian Israelis. This is precisely why Christian and Muslim citizens of Israel have the exact same religious rights as Jewish Israelis and why they are allowed to have their family law issues and religious issues handled by Muslim and Christian councils.

This is why they serve in the Israeli armed forces, are elected to the Knesset, have formed over 120 political human rights groups questioning Israeli policies, are Judges, teachers, doctors, and treated in the same hospitals and have had theuir land rights protected by the Supreme Court of Israel.

This is the big lie. That Israel is apartheid. The fact is it affords Muslim Israelis and Christian Israelis the very legal, political and human rights no non Muslim has today in Sharia law nations.

The so called discrimination is in fact not about religion, its not about ethnicity, its about security and whether one is a Jew, Christian or Muslim, anyone of them can be discriminated against identically if they do not have proper security clearance or by being mistaken as a terrorist since there is no physical difference between the three.

Most Israels are not even religious so to say they even have religious beliefs of any kind let alobne some beleif of superiority is an idiotic stereotype.

Furthermore Zionism does not and has never defined Jews as a race, or superior or even as a religious set of beliefs. We Zionists have no one definition for what a Jew is and never did. Its a fluid definition and it consists of ethnic, cultural, blood relation, religious, political, and nationalist beliefs. In fact the only clear part of the component is that what is the true glue of the Jewish collection is the shared experience of being hated for being a Jew.

It is a fluid concept constantly being developed and challenged within the Jewish society's dialogue with each other. which is precisely why what Big Guy stated is blatantly false. We can't feel superior to anyone-we don't define ourselves in the first place in a manner that could even possibly be rated to others.

May I point out every time I and others have called out this false misrepresentation on the word chosen in supposed dialogue questioning Israel's right to exist there is no rettraction and when I have asked for proof that Judaism teaches superiority the only attemopt to have tried to prove that were false quotes from the Talmud, presented from a neo Nazi site repudiated as having fabricated the Talmud quotes.

I again challenge anyone to produce a Zionist or Jewish religious doctrine that says Jews are a superior race. It does not exist and the linking if Judaism and Zionism with a false description of the term chosen attacks all Jews not just Israelis and its time it stops

I say, enough of this b.s. and stale repetitive hateful anti semitic rhetoric couched as anti Israeli debate.

I also argue to use the name of Palestinians and their unresolved issues as a pretext to falsely make statements about Jews and then use that as a rationale to equate Israelis and Jews as ISIS terrorists in need ofg had washing soeaks for itself and the agenda it representes.

For those of you who claim calling all Muslims terrorists is unfair-why does not one of you challenge Big Guy's words? How is equating Israelis with ISIL terrorists any different than calling all Muslims terrorists?

For that reason his words should be condemned and called out as a hateful and bigoted as I have now done yet again and will keep doing.

Wash his hands of me. Not a chance.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Rue

[Big Guy]

Interesting breakdown of the systematic taking of Palestinian lands by Israel:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/maps.html

I am glad to hear that the new Liberal government of Canada is reviewing our approach to Israel and what it has been doing. We have no business being associated with this rogue nation who thumbs its nose at the UN. Time to wash our hands of this international pariah.

[GostHacked]

Interesting breakdown of the systematic taking of Palestinian lands by Israel:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/maps.html

I am glad to hear that the new Liberal government of Canada is reviewing our approach to Israel and what it has been doing. We have no business being associated with this rogue nation who thumbs its nose at the UN. Time to wash our hands of this international pariah.

Even if Palestinians stopped all attacks tomorrow, that won't reverse the continual take over off the area. That may actually increase the pace of the building of settlements.

[Rue]

The Liberal governmen is not reviewing its approach with Israel. Big Guy has presented a statement with zero proof or basis and I call him out to provide the basis for this comment.

There was talk during the campaign by Trudeau about recognizing Iran. That has nothing to do with relations with Israel.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Rue

[jacee]

Interesting breakdown of the systematic taking of Palestinian lands by Israel:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/maps.html

I am glad to hear that the new Liberal government of Canada is reviewing our approach to Israel and what it has been doing. We have no business being associated with this rogue nation who thumbs its nose at the UN. Time to wash our hands of this international pariah.

I am glad to hear that.

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[DogOnPorch]

The same UN that rubber-stamped North Viet-Nam's conquest of South Viet-Nam. The same UN with the OIC voting block. The same UN that did SFA during Rwanda.

I'd ignore 'em, too.

[Bonam]

I do not recollect reading anywhere that Palestinians consider themselves as "God's chosen people".

I suggest that we wash our hands of Israel the same way we have already washed our hands of ISIS and other groups which ignore international law.

Ah, the true colors come out at last.

[Rue]

I am glad to hear that.

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May I suggest instead of relying on anyone to advise you what the Liberal foreign policy is on Israel, you actually go find out what it is directly from them.

The atempt to advance the suggestion that Trudeau is anti Israel and is thinking of washing his hands of Israel I might caution you if said could be someones' projecting of their own subjective desires as reality when fact when they might not really exist.

http://clarify.ca/justin-trudeau-the-liberal-party-has-israels-back-video/

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/07/26/trudeau_falls_in_line_with_harpers_stance_on_gaza.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-netanyahu-israel-meeting-1.3343452

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/little-daylight-between-harper-and-trudeaus-foreign-policy/article19722084/

Edited December 3, 2015 by Rue

[marcus]

The land grab and Bantustan-like system will have to end. It's only a matter of time. Trudeau has come out against the BDS movement, for political reasons. The thing is, Trudeau's watered down support for Israel's violations of international law will not stop the BDS movement, which will bring the eventual collapse of the occupation.

The EU will start labeling food from the settlements. This is happening due to the pressure they're receiving from the anti-occupation movement in Europe. That's a significant step. Netanyahu cannot do anything about this move and the moves that will be following around the world. All Netanyahu could do to respond to EU's decision to label settlement products is to.. wait for it... "freeze Europe out of the peace process".

[Big Guy]

As the world is focussed on Iraq and Syria, Isarel continues to steal more and more Palestinian land.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/israel-legalises-hundreds-settler-homes-west-bank-151030134726848.html

Israel has just legalized more hundreds of settler homes in West Bank. About 800 houses in four settlements is legalised in occupied Palestinian territory.

Time for Canada to wash our hands of this rogue nation and end any association with Israel.

[GostHacked]

Ah, the true colors come out at last.

What are those colours you speak of? Is the notion of cutting ties with Israel over illegal settlements somehow anti-semetic?

[Big Guy]

Now the Israeli government is protecting Israeli children from Israeli veterans:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/israel-bans-anti-war-veterans-classrooms-151216140545899.html

"Breaking the Silence, a nongovernmental organisation (NGO) made up of former Israeli soldiers, collects and distributes testimonies by veterans of their experiences in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza."

When any nation has to keep its populace from hearing what its military is doing then you know they have a problem.

Why does Canada still have any relations with a country that continues outrageous actions against Palestinians?

Time for Canada to wash our hands of Israel.

BTW - Anyone interested can get more information at:

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

Edited December 16, 2015 by Big Guy

[DogOnPorch]

Hamas is funding the Islamic State. Why should Canada support Hamas over Israel?

[Big Guy]

Hamas is funding the Islamic State. Why should Canada support Hamas over Israel?

The future major power in the Middle East will be Iran. Canada should be looking towards Iran as an associate in that area.

[DogOnPorch]

The future major power in the Middle East will be Iran. Canada should be looking towards Iran as an associate in that area.

Iran murders Canadians and its own citizens...right in the streets.

Iran also supports Hamas...who now supports the Islamic State in the Sinai.

All friends of yours.

[dre]

Hamas is funding the Islamic State. Why should Canada support Hamas over Israel?

No Canada should do whats in our own interests, and there's no good reason for us to be involved in anything over there. We shouldnt "support" anyone, unless there's a clear and obvious reason or Canadian citizens overwhelming want us to.

In the case of Conflict: Dirt Farm Holy Land, only a small handful of Canadians support either side. About 20 percent. By far the largest group in polls supports NEITHER side (nearly 50 percent).

Fvck em all. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, etc etc. They deserve each other.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's governments support them plenty...from oil services to mining interests to huge infrastructure engineering and construction contracts.

[dre]

Canada's governments support them plenty...from oil services to mining interests to huge infrastructure engineering and construction contracts.

Not sure if you're talking to a voice inside your own head or what. I certainly didnt say we didnt support them.

As far as selling them oil services, engineering, and consulting, that's fine... its in our interests to sell stuff.

[Big Guy]

Iran murders Canadians and its own citizens...right in the streets.

Iran also supports Hamas...who now supports the Islamic State in the Sinai.

All friends of yours.

I think I get your message: Big Guy is stupid, is friends with Hamas and by association the Islamic State in the Sinai probably a friend of terrorists and other really bad guys and probably has bad breath - Oops, that comes from another bright light poster.

The fact that Big Guy has been proven correct in foreign affairs most of the time must be one of those side effects of being stupid and a terrorist sympathizer.

Thank you for sharing your exceptional, uniquely researched opinion. Your maintaining of your personal standard of posting shows courage and conviction of your potentially self demeaning posts.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Big Guy

[DogOnPorch]

I think I get your message: Big Guy is stupid, is friends with Hamas and by association the Islamic State in the Sinai probably a friend of terrorists and other really bad guys and probably has bad breath - Oops, that comes from another bright light poster.

The fact that Big Guy has been proven correct in foreign affairs most of the time must be one of those side effects of being stupid and a terrorist sympathizer.

Thank you for sharing your exceptional, uniquely researched opinion. Your maintaining of your personal standard of posting shows courage and conviction of your potentially self demeaning posts.

You're free to support the Mullahs in Iran.

[DogOnPorch]

No Canada should do whats in our own interests, and there's no good reason for us to be involved in anything over there. We shouldnt "support" anyone, unless there's a clear and obvious reason or Canadian citizens overwhelming want us to.

In the case of Conflict: Dirt Farm Holy Land, only a small handful of Canadians support either side. About 20 percent. By far the largest group in polls supports NEITHER side (nearly 50 percent).

Fvck em all. Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, etc etc. They deserve each other.

Fence sitters get a picket up their flanking actions.

Edited December 17, 2015 by DogOnPorch

[Big Guy]

You're free to support the Mullahs in Iran.

And you are free to obfuscate postings to satisfy your obviously under researched agenda.

I suggest that you spend more time studying the political and religious structure of Iran. While anyone is capable and has the right to comment on any issue, some understanding of the reality of what they are commenting upon, tends to give credence to their argument.

[DogOnPorch]

And you are free to obfuscate postings to satisfy your obviously under researched agenda.

I suggest that you spend more time studying the political and religious structure of Iran. While anyone is capable and has the right to comment on any issue, some understanding of the reality of what they are commenting upon, tends to give credence to their argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi

I'm correct. You're incorrect. Again, you're free to support the Mullah's in Iran. No need to lie.

[Big Guy]

The Israeli occupiers of Palestinian lands have now come upo with a more "efficient" method of keeping track of Palestinians:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/hebron-kids-numbers-151203091934395.html

Palestinians in Hebron have been given numbers so they can be identified easily. Palestinians relatives or others who do not have a number are not allowed into the area.

An interesting way to treat people on their own land.

Perhaps these numbers should be tattooed on Palestinian forearms so they do not forget them. The process has been used by other occupiers of other lands in the past.

[DogOnPorch]

The Israeli occupiers of Palestinian lands have now come upo with a more "efficient" method of keeping track of Palestinians:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/hebron-kids-numbers-151203091934395.html

Palestinians in Hebron have been given numbers so they can be identified easily. Palestinians relatives or others who do not have a number are not allowed into the area.

An interesting way to treat people on their own land.

Perhaps these numbers should be tattooed on Palestinian forearms so they do not forget them. The process has been used by other occupiers of other lands in the past.

You have a number.