News Canada - Harper Propaganda Machine

[eyeball]

The difference being that people have been conditioned to take the CBC seriously, it's our national broadcaster, it must be credible..The CBC has over the years used that position, either intentionally or just as a by product of becoming mostly left wing itself, to present the news and push certain opinions towards that left wing point of view.

The CBC is conditioned, as any serious credible corporation should be, to meet the demands of it's main bread and butter customers first, the majority of which appear to be more progressive than otherwise.

I still watch CBC news, it is still the best in general, but it should be easy for most to see how dismissive some of the coverage, or the presenters themselves can be when what might be considered a conservative point of view is discussed. I have seen one in particular scoff on air at the very notion that their could be conflicting opinions on AGW, and at someone being interviewed who wasn't at all denying the existence of AGW,

I should hope so. This sounds like a case of CBC having a bias towards reality which is exactly what I expect from a public broadcaster in a secular society like ours.

For example, they seemed to think it wasn't Canadian, wasn't polite, to publish the offending cartoons from France, when among the people i know almost everyone i spoke to thought they should have, anyway, I guess I and they just aren't good Canadians, or aren't the right kind at least.

Maybe you're just in an even smaller minority than you think. I certainly didn't see a hue and cry for displaying pictures of Muhammad having sex with a pig where I live.

Like I said though, if anyone has serious allegations of deliberate misuse of funds to deceive Canadians then they should be calling for criminal investigations at least and even a Royal Commission.

I want the CBC to continue just the way it is, I like having a publicly funded check and balance against the ideological and financial biases of private broadcasters, of which the airwaves are filled with. I listen to them too but to remind myself of where but for the grace of public broadcasting we'd be.

[drummindiver]

The CBC is conditioned, as any serious credible corporation should be, to meet the demands of it's main bread and butter customers first, the majority of which appear to be more progressive than otherwise.

What??

lol

Bread and butter customers? Who are they? Oh yes, Canadians.

You really are a Liberal, aren't you? No other explanation why you would think it appropriate to throw away over a billion a year on this embarrassment.

I guess that's the price we (I) pay for keeping you "progressive" folks in the know.

btw, CBC and serious credible corporation is an oxymoron of nuclear proportions.

[eyeball]

Comprehension, you should go look the word up see what it means and apply it.

Notice I said MAIN bread and butter customers. You've got Kevin O'Leary so stop whining.

And I really am liberal yes. A completely different animal than a Liberal.

[Ash74]

It does not matter which party is in power they all play the same game. The problem is that they hate people like us.

Those filler news stories are great for the masses because unfortunately the masses are not very well informed. They just don't care.

We all have our different opinions and try to explain them to each other . I do not understand why a person would call themselves a Liberal but at least here the Liberals express a point of view. Most people I find are just going by the filler and not making up their own minds or are voting because that is what their family voted,wife,husband,etc,etc or the ultimate sin. They do not vote at all.

[eyeball]

Why on Earth would anyone vote when everyone there is to vote for hates you?

[PIK]

Look at the CBC , it is a shell of it's real self. It is out of control wit the sex scandals and this lang thing. And how much money does mansbridge make, why are they so scared to come out and tell us he makes a million.

[guyser]

why are they so scared to come out and tell us he makes a million.

You already know obviously so why ask?

[On Guard for Thee]

I agree...crazy CBC stuff....but I expect no less from a state financed and controlled broadcaster.

They employ the best kind of people too !

You still believe the CBC is controlled by the government. Laughable.

[overthere]

The CBC is conditioned, as any serious credible corporation should be, to meet the demands of it's main bread and butter customers first, the majority of which appear to be more progressive than otherwise.

No, that is not and has never been the primary motivation of the CBC.

The primary motivation for them is their own survival.

You cannot comapre the CBC to any 'serious credible corporation' because they lack a huge element found in the other networks: profit motive. That obliges other networks to deliver the demands of its customers, which are are not viewers. The main customers of CNN, CTV, NBC,CBS ABC etc are not viewers- they are advertisers.

To get and retain those customers, the advertisers who pay millions, the TV network must deliver viewers reliably and in large numbers.

The CBC does not have this pressure, evidence of this is their ongoing existence with abysmal numbers of viewers. They have failed continually in bringing large numbers of viewers to the screen. Their ratings are awful and have been since Canada was allowed to watch anything else.

Only in a state sponsored network could this situation exist.

So how does CBC manage to survive?

By getting a huge dollop of subsidy from their owners, the shareholders. When the Liberals rule, there is little threat to the CBC. When the Torie rule, pencils and axes are sharpened.

Gee, I wonder which one the CBC favours? The reasons are obvious.

[guyser]

So how does CBC manage to survive?

By getting a huge dollop of subsidy from their owners, the shareholders.....

It manages to survive because every single political party knows it must remain for the foreseeable future for cultural/political/social reasons.

Some manage to chock it a bit, but no one wants it gone from the landscape.

Edited January 27, 2015 by Guyser2

[PIK]

The CBC is now about the young and the hip, and look at what that got them, this is not the CBC I grew up with, well Canada is not the Canada I grew up with after trudeau SR change the whole country. He divided the nation like no other and it has never been the same.

[overthere]

No, they survive because they get a boatload of money from taxpayers every year.

[guyser]

He divided the nation like no other and it has never been the same.

Its so much better now.

Keep smiling, you live in a great country

[On Guard for Thee]

No, that is not and has never been the primary motivation of the CBC.

The primary motivation for them is their own survival.

You cannot comapre the CBC to any 'serious credible corporation' because they lack a huge element found in the other networks: profit motive. That obliges other networks to deliver the demands of its customers, which are are not viewers. The main customers of CNN, CTV, NBC,CBS ABC etc are not viewers- they are advertisers.

To get and retain those customers, the advertisers who pay millions, the TV network must deliver viewers reliably and in large numbers.

The CBC does not have this pressure, evidence of this is their ongoing existence with abysmal numbers of viewers. They have failed continually in bringing large numbers of viewers to the screen. Their ratings are awful and have been since Canada was allowed to watch anything else.

Only in a state sponsored network could this situation exist.

So how does CBC manage to survive?

By getting a huge dollop of subsidy from their owners, the shareholders. When the Liberals rule, there is little threat to the CBC. When the Torie rule, pencils and axes are sharpened.

Gee, I wonder which one the CBC favours? The reasons are obvious.

So what you get from that is lots of brain dead stupid commercials and not a hell of a lot of news, especially if the actual news may impact the advertisers. Check out Fox if you want to see just how bad the scenario can get.

[Michael Hardner]

The CBC is now about the young and the hip, and look at what that got them, this is not the CBC I grew up with, well Canada is not the Canada I grew up with after trudeau SR change the whole country.

This is a CBC-chicken-and-Trudeau-egg thing I guess ?

[guyser]

No, they survive because they get a boatload of money from taxpayers every year.

...and the Govt of the day doesnt want them to go away.

They need and want it , albeit thru gritted teeth at times,but medicine cometimes is hard to swallow.

[overthere]

...and the Govt of the day doesnt want them to go away.

They need and want it , albeit thru gritted teeth at times,but medicine cometimes is hard to swallow.

Not true. They probably do not need it, as events have demonstrated.

CBC has been a vocal oppnenet of Harper from before he was PM, they recognize that his belt tightening ways threaten them.

I don't think CBC really gives a shit about ideology, but they most certainly can recognize a threat to their tenured jobs. It serves them to support Harpers opponents.

In the past, you have railed against how Harper has refused to engage the media, and that media in Canada certainly includes the CBC who maintain a large and vocal presence on Parliament Hill.

Yet Harper has had 9 years including a majority without much but relentless daily hate from CBC. He has riled them mightily by not acknowledging their 'power' Perhaps he has simply assessed that their 'power' is less tangible than what they try to sell......

So, does he need CBC? Apparently not. He's done pretty well with their antipathy and full court attack.

And that fact is very worrisome for CBC, as it should be.

They know that they don't provide anything unique to Canadians despite countless billions of subsidy with the mandate to provide something special and unique to us. The evidence that they have failed miserably is in the ratings. Nobody is watching. People yammer on and on about 'save the CBC', but they don';t back up the yammering by actually watching the network.

So, my (admittedly easy) prediction is that if the Tories win another majority, the hammer will fall on CBC TV. CBC radio will survive for now because they are cheap and people do listen to CBC radio.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not true. They probably do not need it, as events have demonstrated.

CBC has been a vocal oppnenet of Harper from before he was PM, they recognize that his belt tightening ways threaten them.

I don't think CBC really gives a shit about ideology, but they most certainly can recognize a threat to their tenured jobs. It serves them to support Harpers opponents.

In the past, you have railed against how Harper has refused to engage the media, and that media in Canada certainly includes the CBC who maintain a large and vocal presence on Parliament Hill.

Yet Harper has had 9 years including a majority without much but relentless daily hate from CBC. He has riled them mightily by not acknowledging their 'power' Perhaps he has simply assessed that their 'power' is less tangible than what they try to sell......

So, does he need CBC? Apparently not. He's done pretty well with their antipathy and full court attack.

And that fact is very worrisome for CBC, as it should be.

They know that they don't provide anything unique to Canadians despite countless billions of subsidy with the mandate to provide something special and unique to us. The evidence that they have failed miserably is in the ratings. Nobody is watching. People yammer on and on about 'save the CBC', but they don';t back up the yammering by actually watching the network.

So, my (admittedly easy) prediction is that if the Tories win another majority, the hammer will fall on CBC TV. CBC radio will survive for now because they are cheap and people do listen to CBC radio.

If Harper dares try to dump the CBC he will be kicked to the curb. You may think others don't tune into CBC because you sound like you don't. CBC radio has been, and continues to be, a thread that connects the country together. Lot's of us like news reporting that isn't completely tied to some asshole in a boardoom, and isn'r riddled with ridiculous commercials. Mulcair and JT have both been slammed by the CBC when they get off the beaten path. You seem to ignore that, not surprisingly. CBC will be here long after Harper has been forgotten, which won't take long, after he's defeated.

[guyser]

The CBC regularly slams the sitting govt of the day , and praises the the same people when warranted. So they do it with a bent when it suits them.

No diff than any other media.

Relentless daily hate? Pure hyperbole I am afraid.

[PIK]

Come on guyser, trudeau sr was the great divider. The country has never been the same. And enough of the CBC BS. Just wait until for it that for some reason trudeau wins, how they suck up to him. It will be embarrassing. But hey they may get another 1/2 bil added to the budget.

[overthere]

If Harper dares try to dump the CBC he will be kicked to the curb. You may think others don't tune into CBC because you sound like you don't. CBC radio has been, and continues to be, a thread that connects the country together. Lot's of us like news reporting that isn't completely tied to some asshole in a boardoom, and isn'r riddled with ridiculous commercials. Mulcair and JT have both been slammed by the CBC when they get off the beaten path. You seem to ignore that, not surprisingly. CBC will be here long after Harper has been forgotten, which won't take long, after he's defeated.

He'll do it if he wins a majority. After four years without CBC TV, people will have forgotten Road To Avonlea reruns.

I'm talking about CBC TV, which has been in the ratings dumpster. Nobody is watching. Wouldn't you expect that if everybody loves CBC TV they'd turn it on once in a while? Perhaps you could read what I say, not invent it after the fact. Thanks.

I agree that CBC Radio was a binding link in 1935. The Internet has smashed that. Nearly all the remote places it once reached have broadband internet and satellite TV. But it is actually quite popular in urban Canada, which is why I said the Tories would retain it. CBC radio is far cheaper to prop up than YV. What will be interesting will be the future of heavily subsidized Radio-Canada.

[overthere]

The CBC regularly slams the sitting govt of the day , and praises the the same people when warranted. So they do it with a bent when it suits them.

No diff than any other media.

Relentless daily hate? Pure hyperbole I am afraid.

Sorry, simply not true.

Who can forget jackasses like Jason Moskovitz routinely being grossly ignorant to Oppostion MPs during the Chretien years? Cross Country checkup with call after carefullly screened call crapping on Reform? There are countless examples. And I never once heard a CBC reporter refer to it as "the Chretien Government". Of course, now they call it "The Harper Government" in an obvious attempt to make that a pejorative erm, which it is.

Nope the CBC flatters those it thinks will butter their bread, and slams those who won't.

[guyser]

Sorry, simply not true.

Who can forget jackasses like Jason Moskovitz routinely being grossly ignorant to Oppostion MPs during the Chretien years? Cross Country checkup with call after carefullly screened call crapping on Reform? There are countless examples.

So the CBC never reported on how well Canada did weathering the financial storm. Or the positive pace the govt has mantained getting us near an even keel ?

Not even once or twice huh ?

Interesting .

I have no doubts that they have, so sorry, pure hyperbole to suggest that they never do.

And I never once heard a CBC reporter refer to it as "the Chretien Government".

IIRC , the communiques issued were done w GOvernment Of Canada at the top back then and prior.

Of course, now they call it "The Harper Government" in an obvious attempt to make that a pejorative erm, which it is.

Well, dont blame the CBC for following along and using the term the Harper Govt wanted...which was the Harper Government.

Go ask Dean Del Mastro, he defended the term and got his orders from the head of the Harper Governement, Steve Harper.

So much for that slag huh? Imagine someone gettting pissed by using the name they asked you to use. Perjorative....?...no, not at all.

Nope the CBC flatters those it thinks will butter their bread, and slams those who won't.

So when the CBC applauds the Harper Govt , their only goal is to curry favour with the Harper Gov't ? Edited January 27, 2015 by Guyser2

[eyeball]

He'll do it if he wins a majority. After four years without CBC TV, people will have forgotten Road To Avonlea reruns.

Road to Avonlea is the leftist controlled media that's ruining your life?

[/facepalm]

[PrimeNumber]

Road to Avonlea is the leftist controlled media that's ruining your life?

[/facepalm]

If you get rid of CBC there will just be a different channel broadcasting reruns of Road to Avonlea.

You cannot kill that which is already dead.