eyeball Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 We all pay for the CBC to bash harper all the time ,so what. I do love how the left is trying to deal harper a blow ,but without any scandals worth talking about ,they keep trying to make new ones up.Why don't the Conservatives simply pay the CBC to bash everyone else when they're in power? What am I missing here?What's the point of having a government controlled broadcaster when the government can't control it? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
drummindiver Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 So as long as it's poorly produced propaganda then you're alright with it? Now there's the unethical conservative response I was expecting. Unethical? Who stated it's unethical? Have they been charged? Is there a law against a political party utilizing News Canada? Do you have examples? Are you certain the Libs or NDP are not utilizing News Canada? Can you prove they are not? To be clear, I don't approve of News Canada. I think all political entities ought to be transparent. That being said, I surmise that basically 100% are not. Does this make it acceptable? Of course not, but let's attack the status quo, not single out one example. You gave one example. The CBC is another. http://www.ezralevant.com/the_cbcs_leftwing_bias/ Quote
Mighty AC Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I'm stating that you tolerating propaganda from the Harper government is unethical. I find it funny that you quote a biased right winger to support your claim of left wing bias. News commentary is biased, be it CBC or Sun but it's still not as bad as government press releases being passed off as actual news items. Edited January 22, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Michael Hardner Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 The CBC is another. The two are completely different, though. The CBC is arm's length and capable of criticizing the government, wouldn't you say ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Why don't the Conservatives simply pay the CBC to bash everyone else when they're in power? What am I missing here? What's the point of having a government controlled broadcaster when the government can't control it? Harper pay the CBC? surely you jest! He's done all he can do gut CBC, maybe because they bash him onced in a while. Perhaps if he'd stop doing "bashworthy" things and refund the CBC, things might get back to a sort of even keel. But don't hold your breath. Now on with the NC scandal. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 I'm stating that you tolerating propaganda from the Harper government is unethical. I find it funny that you quote a biased right winger to support your claim of left wing bias. News commentary is biased, be it CBC or Sun but it's still not as bad as government press releases being passed off as actual news items. Are you refuting the facts or the source? Just because an opposing view stated facts do not make facts any less factual, and that's a fact. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 The two are completely different, though. The CBC is arm's length and capable of criticizing the government, wouldn't you say ? The Libs or NDP are capable of buying the same space and criticizing the Cons. We are already paying for that criticism via the CBC, what's a little more? Quote
Mighty AC Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Are you refuting the facts or the source? Just because an opposing view stated facts do not make facts any less factual, and that's a fact. I didn't dispute either. The CBC is left, and Ezra is the Canadian equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Be it a CBC or Sun bias, both are a far cry from a government passing off it's own propaganda pieces as actual news items. What's worse is that anyone would support the act. Edited January 22, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
drummindiver Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Harper pay the CBC? surely you jest! He's done all he can do gut CBC, maybe because they bash him onced in a while. Perhaps if he'd stop doing "bashworthy" things and refund the CBC, things might get back to a sort of even keel. But don't hold your breath. Now on with the NC scandal. Oy vei. You have a way inflated opinion of a podcast and a couple of left wing nutters posting on a web forum (though I enjoy the web forum immensely). Are you able to post any information about this "scandal' in which my "unethical" stance is the same as yours? Sorry, only half the same. I said I don't agree with NC. I do, however, hope the CBC IS gutted. With the entrails thrown in the garbage. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 I didn't dispute either. The CBC is left, and Ezra is the Canadian equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Be it a CBC or Sun bias, both are a far cry from a government passing off it's own propaganda pieces as actual news items. What's worse is that anyone would support the act. Mighty AC, are you suggesting I am "unethical" in my opinion of this matter. Are you suggesting I "support the act". Unethical? Who stated it's unethical? Have they been charged? Is there a law against a political party utilizing News Canada? Do you have examples? Are you certain the Libs or NDP are not utilizing News Canada? Can you prove they are not? To be clear, I don't approve of News Canada. I think all political entities ought to be transparent. That being said, I surmise that basically 100% are not. Does this make it acceptable? Of course not, but let's attack the status quo, not single out one example. You gave one example. The CBC is another. http://www.ezralevan..._leftwing_bias/ To be clearerer, I don't approve of NC, the Cons, Libs, or NDP plus any smaller or fringe parties utilizing advertising as paid endorsement. I truly don't know how else to say it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 22, 2015 Report Posted January 22, 2015 Oy vei. You have a way inflated opinion of a podcast and a couple of left wing nutters posting on a web forum (though I enjoy the web forum immensely). Are you able to post any information about this "scandal' in which my "unethical" stance is the same as yours? Sorry, only half the same. I said I don't agree with NC. I do, however, hope the CBC IS gutted. With the entrails thrown in the garbage. I suspect you'd be much more in line with Fox news, speaking of garbage. Don't worry, Mulcair has just today stated he will seek to reinstate funding for the CBC. Quote
Mighty AC Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Posted January 23, 2015 To be clearerer, I don't approve of NC, the Cons, Libs, or NDP plus any smaller or fringe parties utilizing advertising as paid endorsement. I truly don't know how else to say it. Your comments seemed to be intended to excuse or minimize the Harper Government's use of clandestine propaganda. So, I'm glad to hear that you don't approve of such sleazy tactics. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
drummindiver Posted January 23, 2015 Report Posted January 23, 2015 I suspect you'd be much more in line with Fox news, speaking of garbage. Don't worry, Mulcair has just today stated he will seek to reinstate funding for the CBC. lol. At least they credit sources for their crazy bullshit. And is Mulcair paying for this out of his own pocket? Quote
eyeball Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 What crazy bullshit? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
drummindiver Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 What crazy bullshit? Sorry? You want examples of Fox news reporting crazy bullshit? http://gawker.com/5971256/fox-news-refers-to-the-westboro-baptist-church-as-a-left-wing-cult Even I don't think it fair labelling Westboro Baptist Church as left wing. Relax. A joke. Quote
eyeball Posted January 24, 2015 Report Posted January 24, 2015 No I want examples of CBC reporting crazy bullshit. You worded your reply to the comment that Mulcaire would reinstate CBC funding in a way that very clearly indicated you were talking about the CBC too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Topaz Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 PIK, ALL networks get money from Ottawa. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) No I want examples of CBC reporting crazy bullshit. You worded your reply to the comment that Mulcaire would reinstate CBC funding in a way that very clearly indicated you were talking about the CBC too. lol. This forum's powers of extrapolation are incredible. By stating I watched vids and said they looked paid for ( "I watched a few videos. Pretty obvious they are "paid for", unlike the less obvious "reporting" done on CBC") I was accused of having an unethical conservative take on this. (``So as long as it's poorly produced propaganda then you're alright with it? Now there's the unethical conservative response I was expecting.```) OGFT stated I was more aligned with Fox and their garbage. (`` I suspect you'd be much more in line with Fox news, speaking of garbage. Don't worry, Mulcair has just today stated he will seek to reinstate funding for the CBC.``) OGFT first point was Fox, Mulcair`s support of CBC secondary. I responded to your first point. At least they credit sources for their crazy bullshit. And is Mulcair paying for this out of his own pocket? Then I responded to OGFT second point, without stating whether I thought CBC was garbage or not. btw, I think it`s garbage. At least they credit sources for their crazy bullshit. And is Mulcair paying for this out of his own pocket? If you cannot see I was clearly referring to Fox with the crazy bullshit comment, it must be my fault, and I will endeavour to ensure I refer to each comment directed at me in a point by point manner so as not to confuse. Edited January 25, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 lol. This forum's powers of extrapolation are incredible. Not nearly as incredible as what passes for comprehension. You stated I was more aligned with Fox and their garbage. Your first point was Fox, Mulcair`s support of CBC secondary. I stated and made a point about these? You're quite sure about that? If you cannot see I was clearly referring to Fox with the crazy bullshit comment, it must be my fault, and I will endeavour to ensure I refer to each comment directed at me in a point by point manner so as not to confuse. If you could follow who said what and when and to who clearly, but apparently you can't, you might understand why the flow and context of the discussion prompted me to ask about CBC's crazy bullshit. In any case in the last exchange between On Guard For Thee and you both the sources and the crazy bullshit that both Fox and CBC report are clearly at issue. So show us the crazy bullshit that's being reported. Of course you should be expected to provide a source of tangible evidence and not just an opinion of why it's bullshit otherwise...you know. Tell you what, I'll make it easy and spare you the need to prove to me that Fox reports bullshit, I have no problem believing that. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 No I want examples of CBC reporting crazy bullshit. Example of crazy CBC "bullshit": http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/17941-conservatives-for-false-and-misleading-news/page-13#entry630683 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 No, that's just an example of crazy BC bullshit. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 No, that's just an example of crazy BC bullshit. I agree...crazy CBC stuff....but I expect no less from a state financed and controlled broadcaster. They employ the best kind of people too ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
drummindiver Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Not nearly as incredible as what passes for comprehension. I stated and made a point about these? You're quite sure about that? If you could follow who said what and when and to who clearly, but apparently you can't, you might understand why the flow and context of the discussion prompted me to ask about CBC's crazy bullshit. In any case in the last exchange between On Guard For Thee and you both the sources and the crazy bullshit that both Fox and CBC report are clearly at issue. So show us the crazy bullshit that's being reported. Of course you should be expected to provide a source of tangible evidence and not just an opinion of why it's bullshit otherwise...you know. Tell you what, I'll make it easy and spare you the need to prove to me that Fox reports bullshit, I have no problem believing that. lol. Sorry. I quoted OGFT, not you. I have edited my comment to show this. I should be expected to show evidence of my statement. I will. As should, ahem, everybody. The rest stands. https://bcblue.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/cbcs-sasa-petricic-lies-about-lack-of-israeli-media-coverage-of-harper/ http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/bruce-bawer/the-cbcs-propaganda-war/ Quote
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Okay, if you say so. If the CBC was deliberately producing bullshit with taxpayer money that would pretty much constitute a fraudulent use of government funds which is illegal. Why hasn't there been a Royal Commission into this? I'd love to see one and bury this ridiculous hatchet once and for all. Edited January 25, 2015 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
poochy Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I didn't dispute either. The CBC is left, and Ezra is the Canadian equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Be it a CBC or Sun bias, both are a far cry from a government passing off it's own propaganda pieces as actual news items. What's worse is that anyone would support the act. The difference being that people have been conditioned to take the CBC seriously, it's our national broadcaster, it must be credible..The CBC has over the years used that position, either intentionally or just as a by product of becoming mostly left wing itself, to present the news and push certain opinions towards that left wing point of view. Of course a lot of people don't see it, or will excuse it away. There is no question that sun news is right wing, it's obvious, of course that also doesn't mean that it's always wrong, but to someone who has been conditioned by the CBC into believing that only it's organizational pov is 'Canadian' would probably think it always is. I still watch CBC news, it is still the best in general, but it should be easy for most to see how dismissive some of the coverage, or the presenters themselves can be when what might be considered a conservative point of view is discussed. I have seen one in particular scoff on air at the very notion that their could be conflicting opinions on AGW, and at someone being interviewed who wasn't at all denying the existence of AGW, but debating the finer points of how bad it might or might not be, and it's fine for the presenter to have that opinion, but you aren't there to defend any particular point of view, you are there to present them. The CBC however seems to have an organizational beleif that they exist not only to report the news but also to tell us the proper, or Canadian way in which is to be interpreted, far too many people have bought into this idea that only they have real Canadian beleifs, those people are almost universally on the left and are very willing to tell the rest of us exactly how we should think on almost every subject. For example, they seemed to think it wasn't Canadian, wasn't polite, to publish the offending cartoons from France, when among the people i know almost everyone i spoke to thought they should have, anyway, I guess I and they just aren't good Canadians, or aren't the right kind at least. Edited January 25, 2015 by poochy Quote
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