French Magazine Attacked by Terrorists

January 11, 2015

Surely the bunch of sixteenth century religious primitives to which he refers have done something wrong. Thats why he called them a bunch of sixteenth century religious primitives.

Those who have not done anything would not be referred to as such.

Argus · January 11, 2015

How about not name-calling people who perhaps haven't done anything wrong ? You're not really taking personal responsibility for helping the solution here.

So you're saying murdering people is not wrong?

Topaz · January 11, 2015

As far as I'm concern, ANYONE that disrespects any religion needs to be sued, not killed. What's the purpose of making fun of someone religion? Any one with a brain should know in TODAY'S society, it can and will get you killed.

Michael Hardner · January 11, 2015

So you're saying murdering people is not wrong?

No.

msj · January 11, 2015

Topaz: The reason we should be allowed to mock anyone's religion is because religion is just a bunch of ideas.

If one believes that it's a sin to work on a Friday or Saturday, eat shell fish, and/or bacon then that person believes in ideas and probably thinks these are sins not based on any logical reason but because he/she was indoctrinated to believe this.

As such, I have the right to mock such stupid ideas, to work on Friday and Saturday when I damn well feel like it, and eat whatever the hell I want too.

And if a religious freak wants to stop me or sue me because it offends him (and it is almost always a "him") well, too stinking bad.

In a free country I ought to be able to do these things until one can come up with empirically backed reasons why one's religious ideas should trump my freedom to act and/or speak contrary to such stupid religious ideas.

Edited January 11, 2015 by msj

drummindiver · January 11, 2015

It seems that this video came from noted fringe king Martin Mawyer:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32799_Hannitys_Scaremonger_of_the_Day

Scarey stuff, world government, Hillary Clinton is a lesbian etc...

Sigh.Yes, I don't agree with him on virtually everything. Take two seconds and you can find a plethora of evidence of Islamic training camps in America and Canada. Sorry, I should not have used his video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQF_PV234yo

And I understand that many of you want to deny what's going on, but at the end of the day, there is just too much evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

Edited January 11, 2015 by drummindiver

drummindiver · January 11, 2015

As far as I'm concern, ANYONE that disrespects any religion needs to be sued, not killed. What's the purpose of making fun of someone religion? Any one with a brain should know in TODAY'S society, it can and will get you killed.

What??? In what society is that considered freedom of anything? I don't agree with anybody's religion, but love the fact they can practice it if they aren't forcing their beliefs on anybody-read Sharia for instance.

There is obviously something wrong with religion if disagreeing with it will get you killed. Jesus.

eyeball · January 11, 2015

Really? What I say is just as bad as them demanding death for all non-believers?

No, what you say is no less ignorant and your inability to understand simple plain English probably explains why.

eyeball · January 11, 2015

Total politically correct drivel. You are again desperately trying to excuse their actions and ideology...

You're spewing venom again because you hate the freedom to understand them.

Some people would lick the boot that comes down on their heads.

And some people would ask wtf are you're doing wearing it.

eyeball · January 11, 2015

He didn't say "bad", he said "ignorant". Maybe instead of tagging dialogue with either one of those very charged words, we can instead determine what kinds of dialogue on both sides can lead to a resolution - however long in the future that may be.

Michael, everyone has the right to be ignorant. It's the ultimate expression of freedom for extremists.

The posts people leave in forums like these will provide a testament of the utterly ridiculous things moderate people have had to endure when trying to make their voices heard. The least subtle is deliberate miscomprehension. Mealy ears I call it. It's way worse trying to deal with someone listening with mealy ears than if they're just speaking with a mealy mouth. There is nothing quite as impenetrable as wilful ignorance and probably nothing as purely evil when nations and entire coalitions of them wage wars on the basis of being wilfully ignorant.

The utter bullshit people like Argus tag their dialogue with probably says more about what's so wrong with what they say and how and why its so wrong than anything I could say. I suspect it's a good part of what's radicalizing home grown Islamic extremists.

marcus · January 11, 2015

Sigh.Yes, I don't agree with him on virtually everything. Take two seconds and you can find a plethora of evidence of Islamic training camps in America and Canada. Sorry, I should not have used his video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQF_PV234yo

And I understand that many of you want to deny what's going on, but at the end of the day, there is just too much evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg

They're antagonizers, like Westboro Church. Same ***, different pile.

Your video of the group you're posting is receiving a similar reaction that Westboro Church receives often - like this:

Edited January 11, 2015 by marcus

Topaz · January 11, 2015

When one is making fun of religion, aren't you making fun of GOD, and I've read he doesn't believe in God. This magazine also make fun of DeGaulle's death and the French government went after him for it. one can not say whatever you feel like saying because there are laws against certain things you can and can't say.

Argus · January 11, 2015

As far as I'm concern, ANYONE that disrespects any religion needs to be sued, not killed. What's the purpose of making fun of someone religion? Any one with a brain should know in TODAY'S society, it can and will get you killed.

What if a religion is involved in strongly political movements to change society and its social ideas are backward and barbaric?

Argus · January 11, 2015

No.

Then I'm confused. You said I shouldn't name call people who perhaps have done nothing wrong.

Argus · January 11, 2015

No, what you say is no less ignorant and your inability to understand simple plain English probably explains why.

Maybe the difficulty is your inability to express your ideas in a coherent fashion.

Bob Macadoo · January 11, 2015

Then I'm confused. You said I shouldn't name call people who perhaps have done nothing wrong.

You can't make blanket slurs (natives, inner city black people, muslims, polkadot purple people eaters, etc.), or connect a culture to behaviour and then say I only mean those who wield the sword.........it's mealy....to steal a phrase.

Argus · January 11, 2015

Michael, everyone has the right to be ignorant. It's the ultimate expression of freedom for extremists.

Kinda like labeling anyone who disagrees with you an extremist?

The posts people leave in forums like these will provide a testament of the utterly ridiculous things moderate people have had to endure when trying to make their voices heard.

Wait, what? I'm sorry, but are YOU trying to portray yourself as in any way moderate? I haven't seen you be 'moderate' on any subject which has ever come under discussion on this web site as long as you've been posting here. You are defiantly on the far Left of the political spectrum.

I suspect it's a good part of what's radicalizing home grown Islamic extremists.[/size]

That's funny, because in countries where your politically correct, ultra-leftist ideas flourish so too does Islamic extremism, and every other kind of extremism, in fact. People like me, who are 'intolerant' of ridiculous Islamic ideas like genital mutilation and honor killing and Sharia law, and shrouding women in bedsheets seem to have had a positive affect on the value system of the Muslims who live here. Whereas whiny left wingers who are desperate to appease any minority and will fawn over their right to maintain their backward cultural beliefs merely seem to give them the belief they were right all along.

Edited January 11, 2015 by Argus

Argus · January 11, 2015

You can't make blanket slurs (natives, inner city black people, muslims, polkadot purple people eaters, etc.), or connect a culture to behaviour and then say I only mean those who wield the sword.........it's mealy....to steal a phrase.

I would suggest your logic is absent here. Quite clearly I CAN.

And besides, I said I said we shouldn't bend to a bunch of 16th century religious primitives. Apparently you take that as a description of all Muslims. This suggest you believe that would be an apt description of ALL Muslims. And yet, I was clearly involved in a discussion related to extremists who shoot cartoonists.

However, as to the bulk of Muslims, I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you or others that I have little respect for the way they cling to backward social attitudes, regardless of whether they support blowing people up because of them. I think any culture which shrouds its women in robes so as to prevent their men from becoming aroused -- leaving their men free to dress normally and to fornicate with any woman who moves, by the way is one rife for ridicule not respect.

Edited January 11, 2015 by Argus

Bob Macadoo · January 11, 2015

However, as to the bulk of Muslims ..., rife for ridicule not respect.

Then balls up and don't be "mealy" about. You meant one thing and said differently. It was dishonest debate to try and shroud your actual opinion to try and score some argument point. Own your disrespect don't run from it.

jacee · January 11, 2015

What if a religion is involved in strongly political movements to change society and its social ideas are backward and barbaric?

Seldom is an entire "religion" implicated.

Often it's a sect, or a fanatic fringe not really representative of a religion.

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Michael Hardner · January 11, 2015

Then I'm confused. You said I shouldn't name call people who perhaps have done nothing wrong.

Yes. You have a need to disparage the entire religion, where others on here are more careful to condemn "Islamism" "Islamist attacks" and so on. This is perhaps the positive change that will engage moderate Muslims and move us towards more harmonious coexistence.

msj · January 11, 2015

When one is making fun of religion, aren't you making fun of GOD, and I've read he doesn't believe in God....one can not say whatever you feel like saying because there are laws against certain things you can and can't say.

I don't believe in God, nor Tinker Bell, but that should not prevent me from mocking either one or both at the same time.

Other people's imaginary characters are ripe for satire and seem to only bring harm to the mocker as the believers of said fictional characters feel that their belief in their imaginary friend is sufficient grounds to kill said satirist.

As for limits on free speech: sure there are some easy ones such as not yelling "fire" in the theatre and then some harder ones like whether the Westboro Baptists should be allowed to picket funerals ( an ignorant annoyance, imo) or whether Islamic jihadist websites should be allowed to spread hate towards apostates etc....

One would hope that most people would differentiate the harm between one mocking God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Tinker Bell as compared to the harm caused by Jihadist calls to war.

It seems that some people think it's fine to cause real harm to real people for their lack of belief and fine that the Islamists express their religious inspired desire to kill because, Allah.

Edited January 11, 2015 by msj

Michael Hardner · January 11, 2015

... there is just too much evidence.

If there is "too much" evidence, then why do you not have any mainstream sources - but post YouTube videos from fringe racists only ?

Michael Hardner · January 11, 2015

The utter bullshit people like Argus tag their dialogue with probably says more about what's so wrong with what they say and how and why its so wrong than anything I could say. I suspect it's a good part of what's radicalizing home grown Islamic extremists.

I guess the only thing to do is to address the arguments as they are then.

jacee · January 11, 2015

drummindiver said:

... find a plethora of evidence of Islamic training camps in America and Canada.

If there is "too much" evidence, then why do you not have any mainstream sources - but post YouTube videos from fringe racists only ?

Yes, I would think that the best evidence that there aren't terrorist traing camps in Canada is that Harper isn't making that claim. If there were he'd be using that to justify his 'war on terror'.

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