DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 They fled Iran just like the jews in Israel immigrate to US in search of better life...Israel is nit exatly a heaven fir them when they can prosper in the west and US like any other immigrant. I repeat again...There is nothing special about Iranian jews. They are treated the same way other minorities in Iran are treated and if they wish to immigrate to US For a better life then that's their choice.... You're right. The Jews are used to being evicted and they no-doubt enjoyed the experience. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (Note another case of the Zionist apologists dripping with hypocrisy.) The banality of evil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 The banality of evil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan Buddy? What does your link have to do with the hypocrisy pointed out in regards to property ownership difference between Iran and Israel? Palestinians and Jews live under different rules when it comes to where they can live and owning property in Israel. Israel has a two-tier system based on a person's religious background both in Israel AND in the Occupied Territories. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Buddy? What does your link have to do with the hypocrisy pointed out in regards to property ownership difference between Iran and Israel? Palestinians and Jews live under different rules when it comes to where they can live and owning property in Israel. Israel has a two-tier system based on a person's religious background both in Israel AND in the Occupied Territories. Sweet. Iran's religious theocracy shoots girls like Neda in the streets. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Sweet. Iran's religious theocracy shoots girls like Neda in the streets. I have not seen one person defend the hardliners' acts in Iran. The problem here is that you cannot stay focused. You throw some comment about how Jews are treated in Iran, then a response is given to you and then you go off on a tangent about Neda. Yes. Iran's hardliners are terrible people. They kill innocent people. Of course, not at the rate Israel's Zionist regime does, but they do it and should be condemned for it. Here I am condemning Iran's hardliners' violations of human rights AND Israel's violations of human rights, which is at a much higher degree. Let me know when you will do the same. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I can find plenty of reasons why Iran isn't the key to world peace. Iran was once a great friend of the West. I'd like that to be a reality again. In order for that to happen, the Islamic fascists in charge now must be eliminated rather than be admired or supported by fellow fascists around the globe. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Agreed.... Jews in Iran are treated no different from other ethnic groups. The political aspect affects every Iranian including the Iranian jews. There is no difference. Yes as I have shown all non Shiites are equally brutalized and so are Shiite Muslims for that matter. Did you have a point? Quote
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I have not seen one person defend the hardliners' acts in Iran. Of course not. You choose to deliberately ignore your words and the words of the Iranian chearleaders on this forum.\ Gosh I can'y understand why. Quote
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 I have not seen one person defend the hardliners' acts in Iran. The problem here is that you cannot stay focused Yes. Iran's hardliners are terrible people. They kill innocent people. Of course, not at the rate Israel's Zionist regime does, but they do it and should be condemned for it. Here I am condemning Iran's hardliners' violations of human rights AND Israel's violations of human rights, which is at a much higher degree. Let me know when you will do the same. Let me know when you focus on the actual topic of the thread and stop trying to defocus from it by bring in your usual anti Israel comments to dettract from the facrt Iran is a cesspool of human rights abuses and a pit of abuse. What a joke. You criticizing someone to stay focused when you deliberately try change the topic of the thread to refocus on Israel. This is a thread about Iran not Israel. You have hundreds of anti Israel threads and you come on this one to try change it to a piss on Israel thread to, then you have the audacity to accuse another of going off topic? Lol. Quote
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Iran was once a great friend of the West. I'd like that to be a reality again. In order for that to happen, the Islamic fascists in charge now must be eliminated rather than be admired or supported by fellow fascists around the globe. You just have to be patient and wait for Iran's natural trend towards progressiveness to reassert itself. Don't be surprised if it takes another generation or even longer. On top of everything else Iran had stacked against it there is the added problem of climate change to overcome. It's entirely possible we destroyed their opportunity to adapt and sealed their fate when we overthrew democracy in their country in favour of dictatorship almost 60 years ago. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 You just have to be patient and wait for Iran's natural trend towards progressiveness to reassert itself. Don't be surprised if it takes another generation or even longer. On top of everything else Iran had stacked against it there is the added problem of climate change to overcome. It's entirely possible we destroyed their opportunity to adapt and sealed their fate when we overthrew democracy in their country in favour of dictatorship almost 60 years ago. We didn't "do it". The Iranian Army "did it"...the CIA provided bribes + aircraft for The Shah. The Iranian Army was not in the mood to become just another SSR in the USSR....something folks conveniently forget. Many Iranian officers got a free tour of Stalin's Gulags during WW2. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 No amount of your history salad changes the fact that whether it was for a penny or a pound we were all in. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 No amount of your history salad changes the fact that whether it was for a penny or a pound we were all in. It was Iran trying to join the Nazis that 'inspired' Stalin to replace said old Shah with said young Shah. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) It was Iran trying to join the Nazis that 'inspired' Stalin to replace said old Shah with said young Shah.You have a tendency to dramatise everything to rationalise your beliefs....the problem is some of the things some of the things you say could make sense only and only if you were not so damn blindly biased about the actions of Israel. Either you have a vested interest in this which is not surprising or cannot see things from both perspectives. That is lacking which doesn't give much credibility to your arguments especially when you have the tendency and sidetrack to justify the actions of Israel. The trouble is when one tries to attempt to defend Israel at any cost even when they consciously know what they are doing is wrong but still carry on people will realise and start thinking at the bigger picture and question the motives....you have demonstrated that here by nitty picking pieces of history with the motivation to knocking down other countries that you deem not friendly yet oblivious to the crimes, attrocities and terrorist activities committed by Israel. Your history is lacking or conviniently "censored" when it concerns that jewish state...enough said! Edited May 21, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 Yeah....it really sucks when your opponent uses a history book. Stalin put the Shah on the throne in 1941. Deal with it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) And we put him back in 1953. Who's side were we on again? Edited May 21, 2016 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 And we put him back in 1953. Who's side were we on again? No 'we' didn't. The Shah and Mossadeq are two different people in two different positions. The Iranian Army did the coup. The CIA was just there with a big suitcase full of US $$$$ and a big cargo plane to ease things along. Some folks were big Mossadeq fans....they were also pro-USSR as that's who Mossadeq and his Tudeh Party allies were best buddies with (see UN Crisis in Iran 1946...the value of a post-secondary education). Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted May 21, 2016 Report Posted May 21, 2016 No 'we' didn't. The Shah and Mossadeq are two different people in two different positions. The Iranian Army did the coup. The CIA was just there with a big suitcase full of US $$$$ and a big cargo plane to ease things along. Some folks were big Mossadeq fans....they were also pro-USSR as that's who Mossadeq and his Tudeh Party allies were best buddies with (see UN Crisis in Iran 1946...the value of a post-secondary education). CIA admits it and there is an agreement across the board, that the CIA was a major part of the overthrowing Mossadeq and DOP says otherwise. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) CIA admits it and there is an agreement across the board, that the CIA was a major part of the overthrowing Mossadeq and DOP says otherwise. The CIA's role is as I described. It's major enough. US dollars were like gold and the CIA was offering...lots...to those Iranian officers not yet on-board with the Army's plan. Most participated the coup willingly without cash incentive. The CIA also used a large Air America style cargo plan to move the Shah in, out and around Iran...a huge advantage re: Mossadeq loyalists trying to arrest the young Shah. The Iranian Army physically removed Mossadeq and put him under house arrest...luxury house arrest...but arrest none-the-less. As I've already mentioned and you ignored, many of Iran's officer corp and rank and file were POWs in Stalin's Gulags. The Tudeh Party...something you're ignorant of...was pro-USSR and Mossadeq used their support to win his election. There was no way the Army was going to be friends with USSR, especially seeing the turmoil at the time following Stalin's death...earlier in 1953. The Army, aghast at Mossadeq's nationalizing of the oil companies and cozying up to the USSR, was already forming a coup when the CIA offered to assist. This was, of course, right in the middle of the Cold War, where whose side you were on...USA or USSR...mattered. Scenes from the Iran Coup 1953....spot the CIA men. https://www.google.ca/search?q=iran+coup&num=30&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX3oWKvuzMAhUVK1IKHQ0qDLoQ_AUICCgC&biw=1319&bih=691 Edited May 22, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 No 'we' didn't. The CIA also used a large Air America style cargo plan to move the Shah in, Hmmmm. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 CIA admits it and there is an agreement across the board.... Big deal....the CIA is still messing with Iran, because that's what we pay them to do...then and now...in spades So are NSA, DoD, and a bunch of other U.S. and allied agencies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) Iran has a long way to go. It's an authoritarian religious dictatorship that treats everybody badly but particularly non-Muslims, Sunnis, Muslims who are considered heretics and Shia from Afghanistan who do not not 'look like' Iranians i.e. racism of a particularly nasty kind that resembles apartheid in some ways. The process of secularization may take many decades but I think the tradition of Iranian civilization that sustained Western Asia for a millennium gives us cause to be cautiously optimistic. Edited May 22, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Hmmmm. Spot the CIA men in the photos. What you suffering from is the soft bigotry of low expectations....the Iranian Army couldn't possibly figure out a coup without the CIA telling them how. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Hmmmm, personally I would have expected a very rigorous standard from the shiniest beacon of democracy, especially in a war against tyranny. Apparently my standards are to high. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Hmmmm, personally I would have expected a very rigorous standard from the shiniest beacon of democracy, especially in a war against tyranny. Apparently my standards are to high. Grow-up....the Cold War was a reality...and Iranians are smart enough to evict a Commie. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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