DogOnPorch Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 Nah, Canada seems to support the Saudis instead. I can't spot the difference, can you? Oh yes....I'm always coming to this website and singing Saudi Arabia's praises. They're just as bad only Sunni. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) I'm well aware of what the White Revolution was. The Communist Tudeh party supporters and the religious wackos didn't like it one bit. Absolute rubbish as usual....one if the tennets of the white revolution was to help farmers have their own land at subsidised prices. It anything it helped the poor and underpriviledged. It has nothing to do with commies..Sometimes I wonder where you are talking from. But hey let that not ruin a healthy discussion. You were saying something? Oh do carry on....On a second thought nah. It would seem that I along with everyone else here do the Q&A and you come up with the usual rants. You are not interested in answering any question and have no idea what you're talking about....just here to provoke and generalise a whole nation. Edited May 25, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 You just don't like it when I'm correct. The powerful Shī‘ah clergy were also angered at the reforms that removed much of their traditional powers in the realms of education and family law, as well as lessening their previously strong influence in the rural areas. A "large percentage of the upper echelon of the clergy came from landowning families" deeply affected by the reform and much absentee rent income went directly to the clergy and their institutions. The rents from an estimated 10,000 villages whose rents helped finance the clerical establishment were eligible for redistribution.[15] The group, or more appropriately, the man who most openly opposed the White Revolution and the Shah himself was Ruhollah Khomeini. Although the clergy in Iran were not happy about many aspects of the White Revolution, such as granting suffrage to women, and the secular local election bill as well as land reforms, the clergy as a whole were not actively protesting. Khomeini, on the other hand, seemed to undergo a serious change of thought from the traditional role and practices of Shi’i clergy, and actively spoke out against the new reforms and the Shah. A fan of Khomeini, are you? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) You just don't like it when I'm correct. A fan of Khomeini, are you? Reading comprehension DOP....?Read my post again and show me where I stated clergies? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution The White Revolution(Persian: انقلاب سفید Enghelāb-e Sefid) was a far-reaching series of reforms in Iran launched in 1963 by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and lasted until 1978. Mohammad Reza Shahs reform program was built especially to weaken those classes that supported the traditional system. It consisted of several elements including 1- the land reform 2- sales of some state-owned factories to finance the land reform 3- the enfranchisement of women 4- nationalization of forests and pastures 5- formation of a literacy corps and 6- institution of profit sharing schemes for workers in industry.[1] The Shah advertised the White Revolution as a step towards westernization, but there is little doubt that he also had political motives; the White Revolution (a name attributed to the fact it was bloodless[2]) was a way for him to legitimize the Pahlavi dynasty. Part of the reason for launching the White Revolution was that the Shah hoped to get rid of the landlords' influence and create a new base of support among the peasants and working class.[3][4] The bulk of the program was aimed at Irans peasantry, a class the Shah hoped to gain as an ally to thwart the threat of the increasingly hostile middle class.[5] Thus the White Revolution in Iran represented a new attempt to introduce reform from above and preserve traditional power patterns. Through land reform, the essence of the White Revolution, the Shah hoped to ally himself with the peasantry in the countryside, and hoped to sever their ties with the aristocracy in the city These were the tennets of his reform.... Land Reforms Program and Abolishing "Feudalism": The government bought the land from the feudal land lords at what was considered to be a fair price and sold it to the peasants at 30% below the market value, with the loan being payable over 25 years at very low interest rates. This made it possible for 1.5 million peasant families, who had once been little more than slaves, to own the lands that they had been cultivating all their lives. Given that the average size of a peasant family was 5, the land reforms program brought freedom to approximately 9 million people, or 40% of Iran's population. Nationalization of Forests and Pasturelands: Many measures were introduced, not only to protect the national resources and stop the destruction of forests and pasturelands, but also to further develop and cultivate them. More than 9 million trees were planted in 26 regions, creating 70,000 acres (280 km²) of "green belts" around cities and on the borders of the major highways. Privatization of the Government Owned Enterprises, selling shares in manufacturing plants and factories to the public and the old feudal lords, thus creating a whole new class of factory owners who could now help to industrialize the country. Profit Sharing for industrial workers in private sector enterprises, giving the factory workers and employees 20% share of the net profits of the places where they worked and securing bonuses based on higher productivity or reductions in costs. Extending the Right to Vote to Women, who previously did . This measure was criticized by some of the clergy. Formation of the Literacy Corps, so that those who had a high school diploma and were required to serve their country as soldiers could do so by fighting illiteracy in the villages. In 1963 approximately 2/3 of the population was illiterate, with 1/3 found mainly in the capital city of Tehran. Formation of the Health Corps to extend public health care throughout the villages and rural regions of Iran. In 3 years, almost 4,500 medical groups were trained; nearly 10 million cases were treated by the Corps. Formation of the Reconstruction and Development Corps to teach the villagers the modern methods and techniques of farming and keeping livestock. Agricultural production between 1964 and 1970 increased by 80% in tonnage and 67% in value. Formation of the Houses of Equity where 5 village elders would be elected by the villagers, for a period of 3 years, to act as arbitrators in order to help settle minor offences and disputes. By 1977 there were 10,358 Houses of Equity serving over 10 million people living in over 19,000 villages across the country. Nationalization of all Water Resources, introduction of projects and policies in order to conserve and benefit from Iran's limited water resources. Many dams were constructed and five more were under construction in 1978. It was as a result of these measures that the area of land under irrigation increased from 2 million acres (8,000 km²), in 1968, to 5.6 million in 1977. Urban and Rural Modernization and Reconstruction with the help of the Reconstruction and Development Corps. Building of public baths, schools and libraries; installing water pumps and power generators for running water and electricity. Didactic Reforms that improved the quality of education by diversifying the curriculum in order to adapt to the necessities of life in the modern world. Workers' Right to Own Shares in the Industrial Complexes where they worked by turning industrial units, with 5 years history and over, into public companies, where up to 99% of the shares in the state-owned enterprises and 49% of the shares of the private companies would be offered for sale to the workers of the establishment at first and then to the general public. Price Stabilization and campaign against unreasonable profiteering (1975). Owners of factories and large chain stores were heavily fined, with some being imprisoned and other's licenses being revoked. Sanctions were imposed on multi-national foreign companies and tons of merchandise stored for speculative purposes were confiscated and sold to consumers at fixed prices. Free and Compulsory Education and a daily free meal for all children from kindergarten to 14 years of age. In 1978, 25% of Iranians were enrolled in public schools alone. In that same year there were 185,000 students of both sexes studying in Iran's universities. In addition to the above there were over 100,000 students pursuing their studies abroad, of which 50,000 were enrolled in colleges and universities in the United States. Free Food for Needy Mothers and for all newborn babies up to the age of two. Introduction of Social Security and National Insurance for all Iranians. The National Insurance system provided for up to 100% of the wages during retirement. Stable and Reasonable Cost of Renting or Buying of Residential Properties (1977). Controls were placed on land prices and various forms of land speculation. Introduction of Measures to Fight against Corruption within the bureaucracy. The Imperial Inspection Commission was founded, consisting of representatives from administrative bodies and people of proven integrity. Edited May 25, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 The group most against the Shah besides the Tudeh Party and its supporters was the religious wackos...as I've already pointed out. You just can't STAND me being correct ALL THE TIME. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) The group most against the Shah besides the Tudeh Party and its supporters was the religious wackos...as I've already pointed out. You just can't STAND me being correct ALL THE TIME. You have missed the point...Furthermore wrongly accused me of siding with mullahs in Iran which is utter nonesense not that it matters...Answer the question where in my post above I mentioned clergies???? Edited May 25, 2016 by kactus Quote
kactus Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) The group most against the Shah besides the Tudeh Party and its supporters was the religious wackos...as I've already pointed out. You just can't STAND me being correct ALL THE TIME. Well done doggy! Why don't you go and throw yourself a party? Good boy.Your homework for today is to study history of white revolution or bloodless revolution in Iran (preferably unbiased) if possible... Edited May 25, 2016 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 25, 2016 Report Posted May 25, 2016 Well done doggy! Why don't you go and throw yourself a party? Good boy. Your homework for today is to study history of white revolution or bloodless revolution in Iran (preferably unbiased) if possible... Yes, you really have no choice, do you? As I mentioned numerous times on this forum to better supporters of the Islamic Republic of Iran than you, the White Revolution was GREAT if you were modern, secular, pro-women's rights, pro-liberalism, pro-West, etc...homosexuals weren't hanged. Pretty sweet. The fellows that DIDN'T like the White Revolution were your Mullah's and your Tudeh Party types who were about as corrupt as corrupt gets. The entire revenue of many rural areas went STRAIGHT to the Mullah's and the corrupt Communist Tudeh Party's coffers who were happy to collectively rape the working class. The Shah put an end to that...and you can't stand it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 26, 2016 Report Posted May 26, 2016 A democratic Iran will be a major power not only in mid east but the world. http://nationalinterest.org/feature/irans-unstoppable-march-toward-dominance-16182 You let us know when that happens -- assuming you're still alive by then. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 26, 2016 Report Posted May 26, 2016 I an not interested what you find amazing. I find it amazing that you would support Israel against Canada. Why not just don't come out and say: "I support the Israeli interests over Canadian interests". When are you going to admit you support the interests of the Arab world over that of Canada and the free world? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 When are you going to admit you support the interests of the Arab world over that of Canada and the free world? Let's put aside the fact that BG has not said anything to suggest that he supports another country's interest over Canada's and respond to another one of your accusations. It's important to note that you are once again failing in your understanding of the world. Iran is not an Arab country. Not only that, but there are different dynamics between the countries in the Middle East. I am assuming that it's due to your limits in understanding and comprehending the multi layer dynamics and relationships and this is why you need to put a blanket label, like "Arab world" to refer to the "Other guys". Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) You let us know when that happens -- assuming you're still alive by then. Iran nation is mature enough (unlike many neighboring Arab countries) to do it through ballet boxes rather than violence. Edited June 6, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 When are you going to admit you support the interests of the Arab world over that of Canada and the free world? Educate yourself before coming here and making all kind of false comments and accusations. Iran is NOT an Arab country. It is culturally and racially and historically very different. Quote
Argus Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 Let's put aside the fact that BG has not said anything to suggest that he supports another country's interest over Canada' He is constantly demanding we sever ties with a democracy and embrace a brutal theocracy. That is most definitely against Canada's interests. It's important to note that you are once again failing in your understanding of the world. I understand Iran is a brutal theocracy run by religious fanatics which executes more people, including children, than anyone on Earth outside China. I understand they sponsor terrorism around the world and send arms, money and advisors to other countries to help guerrila, militia and terrorist groups thrive. I understand they brutalize their own people, and that there is no freedom of religion, press, assembly, speech, or conscience allowed there. I understand they have the death penalty for homosexuals, and apostates and blasphemers. What I fail to understand is the affection certain people have for all this, and their call for Canada to embrace it. Perhaps you could enlighten me there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 Educate yourself before coming here and making all kind of false comments and accusations. Iran is NOT an Arab country. It is culturally and racially and historically very different. They are identical in their current behaviour, however. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 They are identical in their current behaviour, however. A common denominator exists. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) They are identical in their current behaviour, however. !!!. Edited June 6, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
marcus Posted May 27, 2016 Report Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) They are identical in their current behaviour, however. You couldn't be more wrong. This goes to show the limitations in what you know about the region and the cultures and why you are unable to properly debate the politics. You have a superficial and wrong understanding of the region. Edited May 27, 2016 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
herples Posted May 28, 2016 Report Posted May 28, 2016 In a perfect world, Iran, Israel and Saudi Arabia would put aside their differences and work together to achieve stability in the Middle East. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 28, 2016 Report Posted May 28, 2016 You couldn't be more wrong. This goes to show the limitations in what you know about the region and the cultures and why you are unable to properly debate the politics. You have a superficial and wrong understanding of the region. Spot the difference. Iran: Crazy religious bearded fellow wearing a beret carrying an AK-47. Arabs: Crazy religious bearded fellow with a ski mask carrying an AK-47. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted May 29, 2016 Report Posted May 29, 2016 Spot the difference. Iran: Crazy religious bearded fellow wearing a beret carrying an AK-47. Arabs: Crazy religious bearded fellow with a ski mask carrying an AK-47. Israel: Crazy religious bearded fellow wearing a yarmulke carrying an AK-47. I guess they're all the same. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted May 29, 2016 Report Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) Again educate yourself. Iran (non-Arab) and Iraq (Arab) fought an 8 year bloody war. Iran (non-Arab) and Saudi Arabia are fiercely tied down in a cold war and political rivalry But if you summarize the behavior as opposition to the oppressive murderous regime in Israel (again note I am referring to the regime in Israel not the good people or citizens of Israel) then you may be right as all good nations and people would oppose oppression of the weak and defenseless and condemn murder of women and children. Interesting that you would call the Israel an 'oppressive murderous regime' when the Iranians have (officially) executed several times more people in the last year than the Israelis have killed in the uprisings. And unlike Iran, Israel has an independent judiciary, freedom of speech, and a free press. As for Iranians fighting with Iraqis - uh, so? Syrians, Iraqis and Yemenis are killing each other all the time. Are they not all Arabs? Edited May 29, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 29, 2016 Report Posted May 29, 2016 You couldn't be more wrong. This goes to show the limitations in what you know about the region and the cultures and why you are unable to properly debate the politics. You have a superficial and wrong understanding of the region. They are identical in their behaviour though. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted May 29, 2016 Author Report Posted May 29, 2016 India joins the rush for ties with Iran: http://thewire.in/2016/05/23/in-a-big-push-for-regional-integration-india-and-iran-ink-chabahar-port-deal-38004/ The inking of a commercial contract to build and run the strategic port of Chabahar will help India gain a foothold in Iran and gain access to Afghanistan, Russia and Europe. India, Afghanistan and Iran separately signed an agreement to set up a trade and transport corridor, with Chabahar as the hub. Road and rail links are being built so that land-locked Afghanistan can get access to the Iranian port as an alternative to the Pakistani port of Karachi. It is time for Canada to establish an association with the economic expansion and power of Iran and back away from any associations with the world pariah of a Netanyahu led Israel. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted May 29, 2016 Report Posted May 29, 2016 India joins the rush for ties with Iran: http://thewire.in/2016/05/23/in-a-big-push-for-regional-integration-india-and-iran-ink-chabahar-port-deal-38004/ The inking of a commercial contract to build and run the strategic port of Chabahar will help India gain a foothold in Iran and gain access to Afghanistan, Russia and Europe. India, Afghanistan and Iran separately signed an agreement to set up a trade and transport corridor, with Chabahar as the hub. Road and rail links are being built so that land-locked Afghanistan can get access to the Iranian port as an alternative to the Pakistani port of Karachi. It is time for Canada to establish an association with the economic expansion and power of Iran and back away from any associations with the world pariah of a Netanyahu led Israel. What's your excuse for Iran regarding this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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