DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Heheh...everybody needs to read their Iran Wikipedia all of a sudden. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 The Father was pro-Nazi....Stalin removed him during Operation Barbarossa. Despite trading with Germany, the country stayed neutral. This didn't sit well with the British and the Soviets, not to mention the strategic position of Iran and THE OIL. It was all about the oil and the supply route. Read the history again. It was the British and the Soviets (Allies) who orchestrated the removal. A good start, if you really want to learn exactly what happened, is by reading this book: https://goo.gl/Hl3O0L Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Michael Hardner Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Please stay on topic. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Guys - for the last time this thread is about Iran as the key to middle east peace. If you want to start a thread on the history of Iran-Soviet relations go ahead.If you post on this thread, you must stay on topic. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Keys don't work on combination locks which is to say memory is what opens them - history in other words. You can't have reconciliation without truth which is to say a history everyone can agree to. In any case only a bolt-cutter or a blow-torch will ever remove the clutter of hate-locks weighing this topic down. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Keys don't work on combination locks which is to say memory is what opens them - history in other words. You can't have reconciliation without truth which is to say a history everyone can agree to. In any case only a bolt-cutter or a blow-torch will ever remove the clutter of hate-locks weighing this topic down. Yeah, you're right. Iran just deployed 7,000 undercover police officers in Tehran to monitor the observance of the Islamic dress code. I hate that. I'm surprised you're okay with it. Quote
eyeball Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) I hate you too. For accusing me of being okay with this. I love you too. For thinking so highly of me. Edited April 19, 2016 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted April 19, 2016 Report Posted April 19, 2016 Yeah, you're right. Iran just deployed 7,000 undercover police officers in Tehran to monitor the observance of the Islamic dress code. I hate that. I'm surprised you're okay with it. I hate you too. For accusing me of being okay with this. I love you too. For thinking so highly of me. It bothered me all afternoon. I snuck that post in at lunch, at work, then went out into the field. I made up my mind to delete that last sentence when I got home, but I was too late. It was a cheap shot. I regret it. I still hate them though. Quote
marcus Posted April 20, 2016 Report Posted April 20, 2016 I still hate them though. Who do you hate exactly? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Guest Posted April 20, 2016 Report Posted April 20, 2016 Who do you hate exactly? Seriously? I don't hate much. I was answering eyeball's comment where he mentioned hate-locks and I was talking about the undercover morality agents in Tehran. But truthfully, it's more contempt than hatred. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted April 20, 2016 Report Posted April 20, 2016 Seriously? I don't hate much. I was answering eyeball's comment where he mentioned hate-locks and I was talking about the undercover morality agents in Tehran. But truthfully, it's more contempt than hatred. Speaking out against the religious authorities, who continue to lose power, is a very good sign. Sending out the morality police is a desperate action by the powers who continue to lose grip over the society. This is a good sign: Rouhani clashes with Iranian police over undercover hijab agents Iran's president criticized the use of thousands of undercover morality police in Tehran to report on young women who are not wearing a full Islamic hijab or those who play loud music in their cars. Some 7,000 men and women officers began reporting such violations in Tehran, Iran's capital, on Monday. The head of police said the officers were not authorized to arrest anyone; they can only send reports of violations by text messages to police headquarters. Asked about the undercover morality police, President Hassan Rouhani said such decisions should not be made by the government and he would keep his promise to preserve citizens' freedom. "Our first duty is to respect people's dignity and personality. God has bestowed dignity to all human beings and this dignity precedes religion," Rouhani was quoted as saying by the news agency ISNA on Wednesday. Iranian police are part of the armed forces and supervised by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but the government has a say in their policies through the Interior Ministry. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
GostHacked Posted April 21, 2016 Report Posted April 21, 2016 So this thread is drifting even harder now .. Quote
eyeball Posted April 21, 2016 Report Posted April 21, 2016 I don't think its drifted as much as it's been overlapped by the apparently verboten topic of western complicity that's evident in thousands of other threads and posts in this forum. I guess the moderators have finally gotten sick of hearing it being repeated over and over and over too. So, I guess we just wait until the next galvanizing event stirs up the coals and throws a bunch of I told-you-so's on the fire. Even the popcorn is getting stale. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Rue Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 Western complicity. Buzzwords. Buzz buzz and more buzz. There is nothing complicit in the West for Iran's failed human rights record, its oppression of its people, its financing of terrorism-its not Western complicity it is Shiite Muslim extremist values. But hey why look to the source of the hatred when you can blame everyone but the hater right Eye? You criticize Shiite Islam? Lol. Off with his head. Quote
Argus Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) So this thread is drifting even harder now .. The reality of this thread is that Iran is actually the cause of considerable instability in the Middle East, and will continue to be so, as it funds terrorist and guerrilla groups throughout the Muslim world and continues to seek nuclear weapons. It is a vile country run by brutal religious fanatics, and almost as bad as Saudi Arabia. Some people like them, though, because they hate Israel. Edited April 22, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 The reality of this thread is that Iran is actually the cause of considerable instability in the Middle East, and will continue to be so, as it funds terrorist and guerrilla groups throughout the Muslim world and continues to seek nuclear weapons. It is a vile country run by brutal religious fanatics, and almost as bad as Saudi Arabia. Some people like them, though, because they hate Israel. I would say Saudi Arabia is as bad, because they are exporting terrorism as well which is also contributing to the destabilization of the M.E. But since western nations are cozy with the Saudi's they never get the same level of interest that Iran seems to generate. You'd need to take out BOTH regimes, but as we saw with removing other hardline leaders like Hussein and Qaddafi, the gloves come off and the factions once kept in check are at each other, which is allowing entities like Iran and Saudi Arabia to cause all this hell ALONG WITH the crap with other entities like the US and Russia getting their hands in there. Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 Argus unfortunately is trapped between the rock of doing just about whatever it takes to advance our interests and the hard place of doing whatever it takes to protect our interests. Being poised on the lack of a single principle, one way or the other, seems like a really weird place to be. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Rue Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Argus unfortunately is trapped between the rock of doing just about whatever it takes to advance our interests and the hard place of doing whatever it takes to protect our interests. Being poised on the lack of a single principle, one way or the other, seems like a really weird place to be. You seem to have arrived at your rock and hard place, then project it on Argus as a failed principle but then go on to state he has no principles. Babble. Incoherent, illogical babble. What does "being poised on the lack of a single principle", (sic) mean? How does one "poise a lack of single principle". Is it a yoga maneuver? If he lacks as single principle what traps him in between the rock and hard place then? Are you capable of simply pointing out a comment you think he made and why you disagree with it or is the best you can do these fractured attempts at criticism which make zero sense. Babblety boo. Edited April 22, 2016 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 No, I'm utterly incapable of making you understand what I said which is simply make up your mind Argus, you can't have it both ways. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Rue Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Okay, I'll come clean. I hate Jews and I'm with the terrorists. There it is, I cannot tell a lie. Thanks for steering the thread to you again. Clearly you want attention. The thread is about Iran not you. Edited April 22, 2016 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 No, I'm utterly incapable of making you understand what I said which is simply make up your mind Argus, you can't have it both ways. Oy I think you mean you are "utterly capable". He can't have what both ways? You even know? Can you even state what you think are his two conflicting views? Quote
eyeball Posted April 22, 2016 Report Posted April 22, 2016 Sure. He's fine with wheeling and dealing with dictators on the one hand and upset with wheeling and dealing with dictators on the other. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted April 24, 2016 Report Posted April 24, 2016 Oy I think you mean you are "utterly capable". He can't have what both ways? You even know? Can you even state what you think are his two conflicting views? Even if he was completely honest with his words, you would not take it at face value. Stop making it about him. Quote
Rue Posted April 26, 2016 Report Posted April 26, 2016 Even if he was completely honest with his words, you would not take it at face value. Stop making it about him. I did not he did, and so I challenged it as nonsensical. Again your bias selectivity as to what you challenge speaks for itself. WEhen either of you can string a coherent position to challenge what Argus said let me know. Thanks. Quote
eyeball Posted April 26, 2016 Report Posted April 26, 2016 I did. You're welcome. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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