hitops Posted December 10, 2014 Report Posted December 10, 2014 It obviously will be up to the constituents. You're assuming that JT won't bring them back if the wind goes out of this case and that's all it is, an assumption. People can simply wipe the slate clean and move on. It will obviously not, since the party has control over who runs, and no leader with half a whiff of political tone will run somebody who has publicly gone through such a public process with sexual assault allegations. It's not fair, but it's how it works in politics, unfortunately. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Posted December 10, 2014 It obviously will be up to the constituents. You're assuming that JT won't bring them back if the wind goes out of this case and that's all it is, an assumption. People can simply wipe the slate clean and move on. Yeah, that always happens in politics. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Can't find anywhere where anyone even brought this up but he two liberal MPs suspended last year have been permanently excluded from the Trudeau caucus. What they did or didn't do is apparently none of our business. The report on their behaviour won't be made public, and since the alleged 'victims' have stated they wouldn't cooperate with any such investigation we can't judge just how useful the report was as a tool to base a decision on. So much for openness in government. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/20/rex-murphy-sexual-misconduct-scandal-involving-liberal-mps-should-have-a-full-and-open-hearing/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Newfoundlander Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 They weren't really excluded from rejoining caucus. Trudeau stated that he accepted their decisions not to try and rejoin the Liberal caucus. It was interesting wording by Trudeau. If he has proof they did something wrong you would think he'd be fine with saying they are banned from caucus. Quote
jacee Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 They weren't really excluded from rejoining caucus.They would have been if they hadn't withdrawn voluntarily. Trudeau stated that he accepted their decisions not to try and rejoin the Liberal caucus. It was interesting wording by Trudeau. If he has proof they did something wrong you would think he'd be fine with saying they are banned from caucus. No the party will always avoid a messy public fight. . Quote
Big Guy Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 I understand that everybody in parliament knows who the two NDP ladies are but are still officially anonymous. I wonder if either one is married. I also wonder how/if this will play in the next election if the question is posed to any NDP female campaigning for re-election. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
The_Squid Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) I understand that everybody in parliament knows who the two NDP ladies are but are still officially anonymous. I wonder if either one is married. I also wonder how/if this will play in the next election if the question is posed to any NDP female campaigning for re-election.Who cares if they're married? Makes no difference to what happened. If someone poses that kind of question, the MP should tell them, politely, to take a hike since it is an inappropriate question and the questioner will be derided in the media for being an insensitive twit. Edited March 22, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Big Guy Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 The reason that I mentioned marriage is that one of the MP's who resigned was married and part of his shame was the fact that he was an adulterer. He did say that he is going to now spend some time with his family etc. As to what is asked and what is answered during a campaign everything is acceptable. Any female can be asked if she is one of the two who complained. You are absolutely correct, she can say take a hike - and accept the consequences of that decision. The problem with that "unresolved" situation is that since the complainants have not been identified than all of the females running for re-election have been painted by that brush. You may feel that they have done nothing wrong and that is your choice but there are those who feel that they handled this situation very poorly and that is their choice - and their right to know if the candidate is from their district. As to "insensitive twits" - that is the role of the news media - to be insensitive twits but to get to the truth. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 The reason that I mentioned marriage is that one of the MP's who resigned was married and part of his shame was the fact that he was an adulterer. He did say that he is going to now spend some time with his family etc. As to what is asked and what is answered during a campaign everything is acceptable. Any female can be asked if she is one of the two who complained. You are absolutely correct, she can say take a hike - and accept the consequences of that decision. The problem with that "unresolved" situation is that since the complainants have not been identified than all of the females running for re-election have been painted by that brush. You may feel that they have done nothing wrong and that is your choice but there are those who feel that they handled this situation very poorly and that is their choice - and their right to know if the candidate is from their district. As to "insensitive twits" - that is the role of the news media - to be insensitive twits but to get to the truth. They kept their complaints private and within the workplace instead of laying public legal or human rights complaints. Nothing wrong with the way they've handled it at all. It's the scurvy perps that people should be identifying and humiliating publicly. . Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 . What they did or didn't do is apparently none of our business. If you want to know....it's out there. Did you really just equate private workplace sexual harassment/assault to access to the gov'ts business case budgeting for defense spending? Stupendous. Quote
Argus Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 They kept their complaints private and within the workplace instead of laying public legal or human rights complaints. Nothing wrong with the way they've handled it at all. It's the scurvy perps that people should be identifying and humiliating publicly. . As Rex points out, this is NOT a workplace incident. These are members of parliament, and we have an interest not only in what they do but in how their party handles what they do. A lot of us base our voting not on what is said, since that is often lies, but what is done. We can base our judgement more accurately on what people have demonstrated they've done than what they say they'll do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 The thing about this is, IF it happens again Parliament still doesn't have a solution to the problem. Quote
Argus Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 If you want to know....it's out there. Did you really just equate private workplace sexual harassment/assault to access to the gov'ts business case budgeting for defense spending? Stupendous. Another one who didn't read the cite. This is not 'private workplace harassment'. This is what our representatives do, and how their party handles what they do. If you're a private person and go bankrupt that's nobody's business but yours. If you're an elected official and go bankrupt then people have a right to know that. That's also true if you're a lying, cheating person. It's also a fact that both these men have been publicly identified by their party and publicly humiliated, shamed and fired, without us being able to judge whether that was appropriate on the part of their party or leadership. I think the behaviour and judgement of the female MPs comes into question, as well, depending on what exactly happened. Why aren't they identified? The one who had sex but then complained afterward, despite never objecting at the time, for example, and providing a condom. I think that sort of behaviour ought to be known to potential voters. Who wants such a spineless person as their MP? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 Another one who didn't read the cite. This is not 'private workplace harassment'. This is what our representatives do, and how their party handles what they do. If you're a private person and go bankrupt that's nobody's business but yours. If you're an elected official and go bankrupt then people have a right to know that.....ah you approve of gutter politics. Your endorsement during the Rob Ford affair or the babysitter diddler was deafening.I did read your cite....not that I agreed with that premise. Quote
Argus Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 ....ah you approve of gutter politics. Your endorsement during the Rob Ford affair or the babysitter diddler was deafening. I did read your cite....not that I agreed with that premise. How is that gutter politics? One of the major functions of a representative at any level is handling the budget. If they aren't capable of handling their own budget that certainly reflects badly on them and is something we ought to know about before voting. Would you not want to know if a candidate had a criminal record? What about if the candidate had been fired from numerous jobs? No, this is information the public has a right to know. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted March 22, 2015 Report Posted March 22, 2015 How is that gutter politics? One of the major functions of a representative at any level is handling the budget. If they aren't capable of handling their own budget that certainly reflects badly on them and is something we ought to know about before voting. Would you not want to know if a candidate had a criminal record? What about if the candidate had been fired from numerous jobs? No, this is information the public has a right to know. Knowing if a member lodged a complaint.....is none of those things. Do you feel this makes the members unqualified to vote on matters of sexual harassment/assault? Would you then need to know if the deputy minister was an adulterer or assault complaintant since they would be involved in the development of any legislation? How far would you go.....I can go full 6° of Kevin Bacon here 'til I should know if you are banging the babysitter. Quote
Argus Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 Knowing if a member lodged a complaint.....is none of those things. Do you feel this makes the members unqualified to vote on matters of sexual harassment/assault? Speaking about the one member who has given an interview, I feel the interview shows a demonstrable weakness of the mind which would make it extremely unlikely I would vote for them - if I knew who they were. Would you then need to know if the deputy minister was an adulterer or assault complaintant Of course! Knowing it, even if I didn't vote for him since I'm not in his riding, would lower my impression of his political party. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted March 23, 2015 Report Posted March 23, 2015 They kept their complaints private and within the workplace instead of laying public legal or human rights complaints. Nothing wrong with the way they've handled it at all. It's the scurvy perps that people should be identifying and humiliating publicly. . Perpetrators? Are you saying that there was criminal activity that should be identified and handled outside the justice system? Should the women be stoned by an angry mob on Wellington Street? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jacee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Perpetrators? Are you saying that there was criminal activity that should be identified and handled outside the justice system? Should the women be stoned by an angry mob on Wellington Street? Um ... the men are the perps in this case.Stone em if you want. Laws about that though. . Quote
overthere Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Um ... the men are the perps in this case. Stone em if you want. Laws about that though. . definition of perpetrator: a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act Describe the crime the two men committed, and then explain why they have not been charged with anything after a police investigation. Take your time. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jacee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) definition of perpetrator: a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil actDescribe the crime the two men committed, and then explain why they have not been charged with anything after a police investigation. Take your time. Evil acts.The women chose not to pursue it. The party dumped them pretty quick. Perps fits. . Edited March 24, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Evil acts. The women chose not to pursue it. The party dumped them pretty quick. Perps fits. Not without evidence, charges, and convictions it doesn't. Quote
Argus Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Not without evidence, charges, and convictions it doesn't. No trial is necessary. A woman complained. They are white men. Guilty! http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/23/christie-blatchford-liberal-mps-accused-of-sexual-harassment-treated-less-fairly-than-convicted-terrorists/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Not without evidence, charges, and convictions it doesn't. Sue me. . Quote
Smallc Posted March 24, 2015 Report Posted March 24, 2015 Sue me. . You should quit slandering them. Quote
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