2 more liberal MP's gone.

[Smallc]

The Grand Jury concluded that the officer didn't do anything criminal so...that sort of tells you right there, doesn't it?

[The_Squid]

The Grand Jury concluded that the officer didn't do anything criminal so...that sort of tells you right there, doesn't it?

Really? They ruled on the dead guy's guilt whether he punched the cop or went for his gun? That's a huge stretch.

[Smallc]

They decided that the officer was justified in his actions. That says that they were convinced that he had a reason to use deadly force.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'd like to know why the only time the black community is up in arms is when a white cop shoots a black thug, in this case he was a shoplifter and a jaywalker at the very least.

Why aren't they up in arms the rest of the year when blacks are killing other blacks everyday? 80% of our homicides are black on black killings....80%. They only comprise around 10% of the population. Why is nothing done about this? Why aren't they marching in the streets about this?

Maybe instead of looking for someone to blame the black community should look inward and see how they can strengthen their own community.

Wrong thread?

[Bryan]

Wrong thread?

Something got cross pollinated, there are a bunch of posts from both threads mashed together here.

[WestCoastRunner]

Something got cross pollinated, there are a bunch of posts from both threads mashed together here.

I thought I was in the wrong thread. Completely threw me off!

[Bryan]

I thought I was in the wrong thread. Completely threw me off!

Some of the posts that were here this morning are gone too. Although, it appears they were the more incendiary ones, so perhaps they were pruned on purpose.

[WestCoastRunner]

Some of the posts that were here this morning are gone too. Although, it appears they were the more incendiary ones, so perhaps they were pruned on purpose.

Perhaps, but some of these should be moved to the other thread. I had to read up to make sure I was in the right thread, however, no big deal.

[Argus]

So was he found guilty of robbing a store and punching a cop? Or did you make this judgement all on your own, looking at the available evidence, without presuming he's innocent until proven guilty in court?

We all make judgements based upon available evidence.

[Smallc]

We all make judgements based upon available evidence.

Which is different than simply believing people because, as some here have suggested we should all do. That would make us fools. Edited November 28, 2014 by Smallc

[overthere]

No. We all make these judgements, whether you admit it or not. How many here thought that the black kid in Ferguson punched the cop? No presumption of innocence there.... particularly if you're a right-winger on the political spectrum.

No we do not.

[jacee]

Back to topic ...

Finally an actual investigation of the allegations against two Liberal MP's:

/trudeau-says-human-rights-lawyer-will-probe-mp-misconduct-allegations-

And some much needed data on men's and women's experience of sexual harassment in the workplace:

/over-25%-of-canadians-say-theyve-been-sexually-harassed-at-work-poll

The poll, conducted in November, found that both men (12%) and women (43%) had experienced sexual harassment at work or at a work function.

More women than men reported in this anonymous poll, but clearly men are victims of unwanted sexual attentions in the workplace too.

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Edited December 6, 2014 by jacee

[Hal 9000]

Back to topic ...

Finally an actual investigation of the allegations against two Liberal MP's:

/trudeau-says-human-rights-lawyer-will-probe-mp-misconduct-allegations-

And some much needed data on men's and women's experience of sexual harassment in the workplace:

/over-25%-of-canadians-say-theyve-been-sexually-harassed-at-work-poll

The poll, conducted in November, found that both men (12%) and women (43%) had experienced sexual harassment at work or at a work function.

More women than men reported in this anonymous poll, but clearly men are victims of unwanted sexual attentions in the workplace too.

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Woman "A" (by her own words) had few drinks at a bar, went to a dude's hotel...at 2am, gave him a condom and they had sex. Now, she regrets it and wants to ruin his life. What is there to investigate?

[hitops]

But your argument is that it's not harder. Nobody faces any systemic barriers, is how your claim goes. So how can it be harder? That's a rhetorical question.

It's harder because issues with new language and culture. That's not systemic, that's simply the nature of immigrating from anywhere to anywhere.

Edited December 8, 2014 by hitops

[hitops]

Back to topic ...

Finally an actual investigation of the allegations against two Liberal MP's:

/trudeau-says-human-rights-lawyer-will-probe-mp-misconduct-allegations-

Good for them, but no matter what it finds, their careers are over.

[jacee]

Good for them, but no matter what it finds, their careers are over.

That'll be up to their constituents.

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[hitops]

That'll be up to their constituents.

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No that's the problem....it won't. It will be up to Trudeau, who not not let them run because of the political liability. Obviously any opposing candidate will constantly bring it up, and they will never get away from it. The Libs will be smart enough to just avoid this problem by blocking them from the start. All do to an accusation.

The only way they will be able to run is as independents. In that case they lose all the benefits and infrastructure of the party, not to mention have to also run against the new party-approved candidate, who would siphon off votes even if they were hugely popular.

Edited December 8, 2014 by hitops

[jacee]

No that's the problem....it won't. It will be up to Trudeau, who not not let them run because of the political liability. Obviously any opposing candidate will constantly bring it up, and they will never get away from it. The Libs will be smart enough to just avoid this problem by blocking them from the start. All do to an accusation.

The only way they will be able to run is as independents. In that case they lose all the benefits and infrastructure of the party, not to mention have to also run against the new party-approved candidate, who would siphon off votes even if they were hugely popular.

I think it's wise to wait for the outcome of the human rights investigation now in progress. If either of them is cleared of any wrongdoing, then Trudeau will be obligated to apologize and reinstate, and any "opposing candidate" would lose credibility for trying to smear them.

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[overthere]

I think it's wise to wait for the outcome of the human rights investigation now in progress. If either of them is cleared of any wrongdoing, then Trudeau will be obligated to apologize and reinstate, and any "opposing candidate" would lose credibility for trying to smear them.

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You're wrong and hitops is correct. The politicial careers of both men is over, period.

The truth of what happened is not relevant.

That is the way it works. There are several here and many more elsewhere who already think at least one of these guys is a violent rapist. There is nothing he or anybody can do to change that perception. Even if the woman said she was wrong and recanted, many would still believe he is a violent rapist.

[hitops]

I think it's wise to wait for the outcome of the human rights investigation now in progress. If either of them is cleared of any wrongdoing, then Trudeau will be obligated to apologize and reinstate, and any "opposing candidate" would lose credibility for trying to smear them.

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You haven't watched many elections, have you?

[Argus]

For those who might be interested in the subject of accusations of sexual misconduct, the he-says, she-says problem and how it might be handled or mishandled depending on how careful you are about weighing evidence, the NP reprinted a long article from Slate about the statistics and incidences of college 'sexual assault' and the problems with assuming guilt and poorly done investigations.

It suggests that there is a hysteria about college sexual abuse which is not supported by the facts, and that in order to combat the supposed massive number of sexual assaults on campus a lot of blatantly stupid rules and investigations are being carried out which are harming the innocent male accused.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/08/the-university-sexual-assault-overcorrection-how-efforts-to-protect-women-have-infringed-on-mens-civil-rights/

[overthere]

a lot of blatantly stupid rules and investigations are being carried out which are harming the innocent male accused.

I don't get this part.

If you are accused, you are guilty in many minds.

That is how it works.

[jacee]

You haven't watched many elections, have you?

I think it's a wait and see what their constituents say.

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[Hal 9000]

I think it's a wait and see what their constituents say.

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You haven't watched many elections, have you?

[On Guard for Thee]

No that's the problem....it won't. It will be up to Trudeau, who not not let them run because of the political liability. Obviously any opposing candidate will constantly bring it up, and they will never get away from it. The Libs will be smart enough to just avoid this problem by blocking them from the start. All do to an accusation.

The only way they will be able to run is as independents. In that case they lose all the benefits and infrastructure of the party, not to mention have to also run against the new party-approved candidate, who would siphon off votes even if they were hugely popular.

It obviously will be up to the constituents. You're assuming that JT won't bring them back if the wind goes out of this case and that's all it is, an assumption. People can simply wipe the slate clean and move on.