Jian Ghomeshi Fired from Q

Bryan · May 11, 2016

This could have something to do with it:

Is Ghomeshi complaint being dropped over credibility issues? Interview may hold clues

The woman at the centre of the sexual assault charge that is expected to be dropped against Jian Ghomeshi Wednesday once cheerfully agreed with an interviewer that while she was working on the radio show Ghomeshi used to host she was incredibly inappropriate, foul-mouthed and sexual in the workplace.

The bizarre interview the three were audibly chowing down on a pizza throughout the first half of it presented a radically different picture of the woman than the one she painted when she outed herself as an alleged victim...

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-is-ghomeshi-complaint-being-dropped-over-credibility-issues-interview-may-hold-clues

Edited May 11, 2016 by Bryan

Boges · May 11, 2016

So they were actually going to have a trial because Ghomeshi dry humped a co-worker.

Completely inappropriate, and worthy of serious workplace discipline. BUT CRIMINAL!?!?!?!?!?

Big Guy · May 11, 2016

According to the allegations, Ghomeshi grabbed Kathryn Borel, a former CBC employee, from behind at work in 2008 and ground his pelvis into her. Borel consented to waiving a court-ordered ban on publicly identifying her.

THE APOLOGY

“I want to apologize to Ms. Borel for my behaviour toward her in the workplace,” Ghomeshi said.

“I now recognize that I crossed boundaries inappropriately. I did not appreciate the damage that I caused. I understand this now.”

Issue resolved.

Big Guy · May 11, 2016

Sorry - A more accurate report:

The following is the text of a statement read by Jian Ghomeshi in court:

“I want to apologize to Ms. Borel for my behaviour towards her in the workplace. In the last 18 months, I have spent a great deal of time reflecting on this incident and the difficulties I caused Ms. Borel, and I have had to come to terms with my own deep regret and embarrassment.

“I enjoyed a position of privilege in my job at the CBC as host of a program I loved. I was a person in a position of authority and leadership, and I did not show the respect that I should have to Ms. Borel. I did not always lead by example and I failed to understand and truly appreciate the impact of my conduct on Ms. Borel’s work environment. That conduct in the workplace was sexually inappropriate. I realize that there is no way for me to know the full impact on her personally and professionally.

“I now recognize that I crossed boundaries inappropriately. A workplace should not have any sexualized tone. I failed to understand how my words and actions would put a coworker who was younger than me, and in a junior position to mine, in an uncomfortable place. I did not appreciate the damage I caused, and I recognize that no workplace friendship or creative environment excuses this sort of behaviour, especially where there is a power imbalance as there was with Ms. Borel. This incident was thoughtless and I was insensitive to her perspective and how demeaning my conduct was towards her. I understand this now. This is a challenging business to be in and I did not need to make it more difficult for Ms. Borel. The past 18 months have been an education for me. I have reflected deeply and have been working hard to address the attitudes that led me, at the time, to think that this was acceptable.

“I apologize to my family for letting them down and in particular for the impact that all of this has had on my dear mother and my sister. I apologize for the burden my actions have placed on those dear friends who have stood by me throughout this difficult time. I regret my behaviour at work with all my heart and I hope that I can find forgiveness from those for whom my actions took such a toll.”

cybercoma · May 11, 2016

So they were actually going to have a trial because Ghomeshi dry humped a co-worker.

Completely inappropriate, and worthy of serious workplace discipline. BUT CRIMINAL!?!?!?!?!?

You ever have a guy come up to you at work and grind his crotch into your ass?

Yeah. It's criminal. Throwing a glass of water in someone's face is assault.

overthere · May 11, 2016

You ever have a guy come up to you at work and grind his crotch into your ass?

Yeah. It's criminal. Throwing a glass of water in someone's face is assault.

Ghomeshis conduct is officially and legally not criminal.

I refuse to comment about the guy grinding his crotch into my ass at work.

BC_chick · May 11, 2016

So they were actually going to have a trial because Ghomeshi dry humped a co-worker.

Completely inappropriate, and worthy of serious workplace discipline. BUT CRIMINAL!?!?!?!?!?

Yes Boges, criminal.

'Dry humping' a random stranger will certainly get you arrested and if it really needs to be said, no - the confines office walls do not exempt the act.

Boges · May 11, 2016

Yes Boges, criminal.

'Dry humping' a random stranger will certainly get you arrested and if it really needs to be said, no - the confines office walls do not exempt the act.

As an incident where they may not have been familiarity with the two parties involved, I suspect you're right.

We'll never know if Ghomeshi and the former plaintiff did similar behaviour before hand. I joked with a co-worker today when touching my arm that it was unwanted touching and I could get her criminally charged. We see from an article from Christie Blatchford that was posted in this thread that the woman involved was also known for suggestive and inappropriate behaviour in the workplace.

Regardless, I think this case speaks more to a workplace where, if this woman did feel uncomfortable with Ghomeshi, that she has no recourse.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Boges

BC_chick · May 11, 2016

I think as a general rule, you shouldn't dry hump a woman unless she asks you to.

jacee · May 11, 2016

He's lost his job, reputation in the toilet, dance card empty.

Why would any woman subject herself to the courts when justice is already done.

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Hal 9000 · May 12, 2016

These women all claimed to be victims, but their ideas change when they're forced to look into a mirror and face their own accountability.

cybercoma · May 12, 2016

Ghomeshis conduct is officially and legally not criminal.

I refuse to comment about the guy grinding his crotch into my ass at work.

I suggest you spend your day tomorrow dry humping random strangers and see where that gets you. Edited May 12, 2016 by cybercoma

The_Squid · May 12, 2016

I suggest you spend your day tomorrow dry humping random strangers and see where that gets you.

Sounds like a normal day for some people here....

msj · May 12, 2016

When the guy starts to grind his crotch against my ass I always push back!

Oh, that was very very bad....

jacee · May 12, 2016

Ghomeshi is all apologies for the workplace incident (though not the chokings).

Aiming to try to get his job back?

Yuck.

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jacee · May 12, 2016

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/05/11/complainant-in-jian-ghomeshi-case-issues-statement.html

So when it was presented to me that the defence would be offering us an apology, I was prepared to forego the trial. It seemed like the clearest path to the truth. A trial would have maintained his lie, the lie that he was not guilty, and it would have further subjected me to the very same pattern of abuse that I am currently trying to stop.

Makes sense to me.

But how many other perps would prefer to tell the truth and apologize publicly to avoid a trial?

Is this special treatment for a 'star'?

Is this going to be the 'Ghomeshi resolution' of sexual assault? If you apologize it's 'OK'?

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Edited May 12, 2016 by jacee

Smallc · May 13, 2016

A trial would have ended in innocence.

msj · May 13, 2016

A trial would have ended in innocence.

Sure, but few would want their daughters or sisters to date the creep.

It's called a Pyrrhic victory, look it up.

Smallc · May 13, 2016

Sure, but few would want their daughters or sisters to date the creep.

Sure - not really relevant to innocence or guilt though.

It's called a Pyrrhic victory, look it up.

If the Crown had any kind of a case, they would have taken this to the wall.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Smallc

Smallc · May 13, 2016

I'm not saying he's a great guy, btw....just probably not convict-able.

cybercoma · May 13, 2016

A trial would have ended in innocence.

Trials don't proclaim innocence.

msj · May 13, 2016

Sure - not really relevant to innocence or guilt though.If the Crown had any kind of a case, they would have taken this to the wall.

For dry humping?

Really?

How many years should one get for being a creep?

This is a much better outcome: Borel gets to maintain her story and if Ghomeshi doesn't like it what's he going to do, sue her?

Nope, because that would lead to a civil trial where a balance of probabilities is concerned and in that trial the judge or jury will reach the same conclusion that 80+% of us reached a long time ago: the man's a creep.