Soldiers Hit in Quebec

[Boges]

I've heard people draw comparisons to the Fredericton shooting. You don't call it terrorism when a White dude who's paranoid shoots people, but you do when a Muslim kills people in the name of their religion.

It's a good point. But there is a lot of attention given to the gun culture in the US every time a shooting happens. The extreme right here in North America certainly does get its share of attention. I also think "gun nuts" are often moved to the margins of society. Where criticism Islamists often leads to charges of racism a lot of effort is made to making their opinions heard. See JT going to a mosque that preaches Islamism.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Boges

[Derek 2.0]

I've heard people draw comparisons to the Fredericton shooting. You don't call it terrorism when a White dude who's paranoid shoots people, but you do when a Muslim kills people in the name of their religion.

Of course you don't, a terrorist act, as defined by the criminal code:

(b) an act or omission, in or outside Canada,

• (i) that is committed

  • (A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and

  • ( in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada

That of course is yet to be determined with this case, but from the evidence in the public sphere it does at the very least suggest his motivations could be partially tied to radical Islam......I'm sure his mental state will be determined, to a degree, as the investigation continues.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm not sure what is going on but if its real, don't you think the MPs and other government officials would be in more danger than the regular guy? After all, its the government that sending in the military overseas. I don't want anyone else to be killed or hurt but I think the MPs better hire out security for them and their families. These terrorist that hide their face remains me of the KKK. IF this is real, is Canadians going to lose their liberties like the Americans?

Its a common, yet effective tactic.......going after heavily protected leadership is far more difficult then unprotected members of the military. The PIRA attacks (and threats) resulted in rules limiting members of the British military from wearing their uniforms off-base, doubly so with members of the SAS, with names and faces redacted from official documents and pictures, family members living at different bases and restrictions in place limiting off base travel of members (of the SAS).

[The_Squid]

Terrorism by hit and run has to be the most inefficient terrorist tactics ever.

Where was this idiot trained?

[Derek 2.0]

Terrorism by hit and run has to be the most inefficient terrorist tactics ever.

Where was this idiot trained?

Yet, it was a suggested method from ISIS:

"If you can kill a disbelieving American or European -- especially the spiteful and filthy French -- or an Australian, or a Canadian or any other disbeliever... including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him," said Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the group's spokesman.

And by method:

"Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him."

"If you are unable to do so, then burn his home, car, or business. Or destroy his crops. If you are unable to do so, then spit in his face."

[Big Guy]

You know, when Canada was war with Japan, didn't we round up them and put into camps. So, are we going to do the same with certain people from the Middle-East or maybe just the 80 that they know about?? If Canada is at war with ISIS, wouldn't a different law come onto being and therefore, allow for those 80 to be put in a secure location?? Just wondering.

I have no problem with the idea that we should protect ourselves from organizations which wish us harm but Western governments have applied the term “terrorist” to any organization that did not agree with its foreign policy.

There are currently 53 organizations listed as “terrorist” organizations by our Canadian government.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-eng.aspx

And that list only increases and never seems to diminish.

Canada is made up of many different immigrants who still have ties to people in their country of birth. If the person who they have ties to gets involved in any of those organizations then the Canadian comes “under watch”.

[WWWTT]

I don't even know why I keep answering you… I know you are a troll, we all do.But let me see if I can enlighten you for the last time... It seems that you are in the minority who seems to think this idiot is anything but a religious nut. The opposition has already started demanding why the RCMP has not arrested the suspected extremists in the country, which is kind of funny since they would be the first to cry out if those same extremists were arrested before a terrorist attack.

So when was the last time the opposition was up in arms for a suspected "terrorist" being arrested in Canada?

Where's the link?

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[WWWTT]

Would have been better captured and questioned, but dead is 2nd best.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "trial" or innocent until proven guilty?

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[WWWTT]

Does this mean that the CSIS chief who warned us recently of domestic radicalization connected with the Middle East is not a fascist swine spreading lies on behalf of Harper for sinister motives?

That depends on how much Harper/Baird milk this incident.

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[Derek 2.0]

I have no problem with the idea that we should protect ourselves from organizations which wish us harm but Western governments have applied the term “terrorist” to any organization that did not agree with its foreign policy.

There are currently 53 organizations listed as “terrorist” organizations by our Canadian government.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-eng.aspx

And that list only increases and never seems to diminish.

What term would you apply to such organizations? As to an increase in such groups, I'm not certain that's indeed true, but I would say (if it is) the nature of said groups has changed versus those from several decades ago.

Canada is made up of many different immigrants who still have ties to people in their country of birth. If the person who they have ties to gets involved in any of those organizations then the Canadian comes “under watch”.

I don't know if this is indeed a case of a new Canadian or homegrown, but clearly encompassing a dogma that is found worldwide........

The question now is the result of this..........Patriot Act or "Just watch me"........or do we KBO as is?

Edited October 21, 2014 by Derek 2.0

[WWWTT]

That is part of the problem, our existing laws are not tough enough, that and the fact it is extremily hard to get a conviction. Canadian law clearly spells it out it is again'st the law to take part in any terrorist activity, be it for fund raising or soldiering, and yet how do we prove they were doing any of it. unless they themselfs say so....So i guy can travel any where he likes be it Syria, Iraq that in its self is not again'st the law....So when these guys get back they return on their free will and are free to travel any time they want, as long as they are not indentified , or confess to any terrorist activity....which why would they our laws protect them.....And have so for years "Canada has always been a haven for terrorists" the best we can do is put them under surv and try to make a case....they have learned many years ago not to shit in their own home, meaning Canada, they are free to collect what ever programs we have to support them, provide medical attention, fatten them up then send them back to fight or continue gathering funds. Look at the Kadars.....

And what about that guy whom "allegedly" killed those RCMP officers in N.B.?

Basically what you are saying is that when people do allegedly bad things, it's never the government's fault. It's the fault of our freedom's and liberties interfering with the governments ability to exert its will.

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[WWWTT]

The funny thing is no one is expressing any particular joy or delight at this. It's frankly really weird that right off the bat your shrill posts are whining about how this must be a 'gift' and must be making everyone happy.

If Harper/Baird was everyone, then one would think that they would get more votes at election time.

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[WWWTT]

Terrorism by hit and run has to be the most inefficient terrorist tactics ever.

Where was this idiot trained?

I'm guessing not Young Drivers of Canada?

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[WWWTT]

Yet, it was a suggested method from ISIS:

Thanks for enlightening us there Derek!

Got to wonder now who's next to commit "terrorism" in Canada?

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[jacee]

That of course is yet to be determined with this case, but from the evidence in the public sphere it does at the very least suggest his motivations could be partially tied to radical Islam....

I'm confused.

The suspect, Martin Couture-Rouleau

is a radical Islamist?

Link please?

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[Derek 2.0]

I'm confused.

The suspect, Martin Couture-Rouleau

is a radical Islamist?

Link please?

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/patrice-vincent-id-d-as-soldier-killed-in-martin-couture-rouleau-hit-and-run-1.2807078

The RCMP said they suspected he had become radicalized after converting to Islam.

Couture-Rouleau was one of 90 people being monitored by the RCMP as part of 63 ongoing national security investigations, RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson said Tuesday.

Those numbers refer to people suspected of being involved with terrorism-related activities, including financing, not specifically to fighting alongside extremists.

[Black Dog]

Jeez instead of taking away his passport they should have let him go off to Iraq and get blown away there. Paid for his plane ticket and everything.

[Argus]

I'm confused.

The suspect, Martin Couture-Rouleau

is a radical Islamist?

Link please?

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He's a convert. And western converts tend to be the craziest of Muslims because the were losers to begin with. After all, what well-adjusted westerner would decide to become a Muslim?

[Argus]

Jeez instead of taking away his passport they should have let him go off to Iraq and get blown away there. Paid for his plane ticket and everything.

The fear is, I guess, that they'll learn how to make explosives and shoot people, etc., then come 'home'.

[Derek 2.0]

Jeez instead of taking away his passport they should have let him go off to Iraq and get blown away there. Paid for his plane ticket and everything.

I agree somewhat with your sentiments, but also understand to an extent, as a responsible nation, would shouldn't allow our own problems to become another nations problems........this and the possibility that revoking some of these passports might force a rethink of some, or prevent a suspected terrorist leaving Canada and hurting any potential investigation intent upon finding any "friends" within Canada.......

[Derek 2.0]

The fear is, I guess, that they'll learn how to make explosives and shoot people, etc., then come 'home'.

A good point........ie one of the Boston bombers that was being investigated.

[Moonlight Graham]

The question now is the result of this..........Patriot Act or "Just watch me"........or do we KBO as is?

This incident is going to give the Harper gov the excuse to try all the PATRIOT Act nonsense it's always wanted to put through. Yes authorities need certain powers to keep us secure but the next year up until election time isn't going to be pretty. In fact, this incident, if proven to be what most speculate it will be, would (politically) be very good fodder for Harper to launch a re-election campaign on.

Maybe Canada needs a true moderate federal party or something. I can't vote for any of these idiots.

[Derek 2.0]

This incident is going to give the Harper gov the excuse to try all the PATRIOT Act nonsense it's always wanted to put through. Yes authorities need certain powers to keep us secure.....

So, in your view, what would be a reasonable response? Change/alter/remove/strengthen laws to aid the likes of the CSIS/RCMP/CBSA etc in surveilling and prosecuting such threats, or would you prefer rounding up all such suspects with the army as done by a previous Liberal Government? Or somewhere in between?

...but the next year up until election time isn't going to be pretty. In fact, this incident, if proven to be what most speculate it will be, would (politically) be very good fodder for Harper to launch a re-election campaign on.

Sure, but by the same token, such new laws put in place (revoking passports & citizenship) were opposed by the Trudeau Liberals several months ago........I think all parties will stake out a political vantage point with this. For the Tories, the only political "advantage" would be gained by the Liberals and NDP opposing such measures, well the Canadian public favors them........

[WWWTT]

He's a convert. And western converts tend to be the craziest of Muslims because the were losers to begin with. After all, what well-adjusted westerner would decide to become a Muslim?

I think Harper/Baird think that the crazier they are, all the better!

After all, what good is a pacifist terrorist to a conservative?!?!?!

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[WWWTT]

A good point........ie one of the Boston bombers that was being investigated.

Ya I think that's what Harper/Baird were really looking forward to unfolding.

They're going to have to spin this one until it looks like a bombing.

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