Argus Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Which doesn't really counter what I'm saying. Regardless of how true it is, it's a powerful narrative that's driving a lot of people to extremism. I don't disagree. My point is that our actions aren't going to have much effect on this narrative because the local governments will always find a way to blame things on us regardless of what we do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I don't disagree. My point is that our actions aren't going to have much effect on this narrative because the local governments will always find a way to blame things on us regardless of what we do.It would be nice if we could hasten our shift away from fossil fuels eventually stripping that very unstable region of its wealth and political power. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I don't care whether or not ISIS is a threat to Canada. For one thing, I'm English, and for another, I like to help out. They definitely are a threat to somebody. And the more of them that get killed, the more lives are saved. It's like foreign aid.Maybe we should have let them take Baghdad and let people see, in living color, what real racism and genocide looks like. Especially all those that protest the deaths of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 It would be nice if we could hasten our shift away from fossil fuels eventually stripping that very unstable region of its wealth and political power. It would have been a lot nicer if the people in this region had been allowed to benefit from their oil to the same degree and manner that we expect in the case of our own natural resources. Our side's interfering with that is what made the ME so unstable and dispossessed of so much of it's it's political power and wealth. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 It would have been a lot nicer if the people in this region had been allowed to benefit from their oil to the same degree and manner that we expect in the case of our own natural resources. Oh sure...just look at how much First Nations have benefited from their own natural resources. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 They're one the biggest economic drivers in the wake of reconciliation and treaties where I live. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 It would have been a lot nicer if the people in this region had been allowed to benefit from their oil to the same degree and manner that we expect in the case of our own natural resources. Our side's interfering with that is what made the ME so unstable and dispossessed of so much of it's it's political power and wealth. I doubt it. Everywhere in the world where there is oil EXCEPT for democratic western states, the majorit of the oil wealth has been used to benefit those in power. Is it our fault Nigerian oil benefits the rulers and their friends? Is it our fault Russian oil benefits the ruler and his friends? We don't run these places so why should we be blamed that their shitty local governments steal from them? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 It would be nice if we could hasten our shift away from fossil fuels eventually stripping that very unstable region of its wealth and political power. How would the Middle East be less extreme if it was poorer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 How would the Middle East be less extreme if it was poorer? Good question. For one thing, we wouldn't care about it anywhere near as much. With less to fight about, there would be less fighting. Stands to reason right ? I'm not sure, though, if that means it would be less "extreme" Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I doubt it. Everywhere in the world where there is oil EXCEPT for democratic western states, the majorit of the oil wealth has been used to benefit those in power. Is it our fault Nigerian oil benefits the rulers and their friends? Is it our fault Russian oil benefits the ruler and his friends? We don't run these places so why should we be blamed that their shitty local governments steal from them?For the same reason we blame people for being in a network of terror. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Good question. For one thing, we wouldn't care about it anywhere near as much. With less to fight about, there would be less fighting. Stands to reason right ? I'm not sure, though, if that means it would be less "extreme" Why would there be less to fight about? You think the centuries old Sunni vs Shia, or the Arab vs Jew would just go away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Why would there be less to fight about? You think the centuries old Sunni vs Shia, or the Arab vs Jew would just go away? They would go on fighting. We just wouldn't give a damn. Yemenis have been killing each other for decades and nobody gave a damn. We only started to take notice when Al Queada started shipping bombs from there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 How would the Middle East be less extreme if it was poorer? Less money to use to fund radical madrassahs in Pakistan, Indonesia and Western countries. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Why would there be less to fight about? You think the centuries old Sunni vs Shia, or the Arab vs Jew would just go away? There would be fewer assets and less wealth at stake. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 How would the Middle East be less extreme if it was poorer? It would be less of a problem for the west when we no longer rely on a very unstable region for energy. This also frees us from having to befriend some very oppressive regimes for economic reasons. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Doesn't matter...the economics of sweet crude reserves and extraction will always keep the Middle East in play, if only because it is needed by more than just "the west". There is no "us" vs. "them" when it comes to oil. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Some people think that it is now about us vrs them when it comes to oil. So why are these wars being fought? Freedom and democracy? That's a radical idea in of itself. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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