Big Guy Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Radicalization is a process by which an individual or group comes to adopt increasingly extreme political, social, or religious ideals and aspirations that; reject or undermine the status quo. reject and/or undermine contemporary ideas and expressions of freedom of choice. http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2014/10/09/how-do-young-canadians-end-up-among-the-jihadis I believe that like every other problem, there can be no strategy or process unless we can identify the cause. The alienation of youth is not a new phenomena. From the early Hare Krishna to the Charles Manson like communes, Western youth has always been seeking an identity and a cause. Recently, some have been flocking to conflict zones prepared to arm and defend a cause - a radical cause that has little to no base in their culture, religion or society. Over the years, young people left their comfortable living in North America to fight in wars in which Canada had no official participation, from the Spanish Civil War to Korea to Vietnam et al. These youth are still looking for identity, a cause and a reason for existence. Is there anything we in Canada can do to identify the vulnerable? Is there anything we can do to provide a safe venue for them to try to find am identity, a cause and a reason for existence? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I think the cause is mostly due to moral dissonance. Watching shining beacons for democracy provide support to bloodthirsty dictators for example...it's like fingernails on a blackboard. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) One would hardly expect them to go off and become bloodthirsty dictators themselves, if that was the case. No, I doubt many of them even notice. I suspect the cause is simply the pliability of many youth, noticed, selected and influenced by people who are adept at those things. As Big Guy pointed out, it's been happening for ever, to support a wide variety of causes. Edited October 11, 2014 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 As I reported before, I listened to one young person from the Middle-East, who had moved to Holland, go back to his country and fight against America, as he said, who is killing women and children like they did in Iraq. I agree with Justin, if we don't know the WHYs, how can we stop anything in the future. It's too way easy just to send in the military and kill as many as we can, which usually ends up, more of the people and not the terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 These youth are still looking for identity, a cause and a reason for existence. Is there anything we in Canada can do to identify the vulnerable? Can Canada repeal biology and psychology and prevent teens and young adults from developing adolescent angst? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Can Canada repeal biology and psychology and prevent teens and young adults from developing adolescent angst? Probably not - but we can begin the process of addressing the issue by directing that angst, searching and energy in positive directions. Directions that are beneficial to the individual and to Canada. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 I think the cause is mostly due to moral dissonance. Watching shining beacons for democracy provide support to bloodthirsty dictators for example...it's like fingernails on a blackboard. For sure....they would have been much better off as a "aboriginals" living in an Empire colony....they would even have a queen. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 For sure....they would have been much better off as a "aboriginals" living in an Empire colony....they would even have a queen. Apparently you have trouble knowing when to use quotation marks, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Probably not - but we can begin the process of addressing the issue by directing that angst, searching and energy in positive directions. Directions that are beneficial to the individual and to Canada.Imagine all the directions that gearing policy to adolescent angst would have floundered us in over the generations? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) As opposed to wallowing amongst the quagmires that catering to the angst of older generations has taken us? Edited October 12, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 So we have a number of minority disenfranchised but educated youth who are unemployed and looking for a direction and/or a cause. With Canada's multicultural policies, we have the strength of a great many immigrants of many different nationalities. Most of the children of these immigrants are second generation, Canadian educated youth. Why not use that commodity? Years ago, a progressive president of the United States, created their “Peace Corps”. The idea was to allow American youth to work in different parts of the globe to spread democracy and good will of the USA. Why can we not do the same but create a volunteer (non military) “army”. Create a Canadian corps made up of different cultural and language based squads. We could have a Middle East and Asian and African and .... units that would be available be sent out to assist where there are problems with the added advantage that they are already familiar with the language and culture. This “Humanitarian” corps could be Canada's contribution to assist in world conflicts based on our multinational demography – a uniqueness that can be turned into a strength. This corps would be government sponsored and certain enticements may be offered to the participants. The cost for this whole program would be far less than one F-35 and be far more effective for Canada's reputation than another killing machine. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 So we have a number of minority disenfranchised but educated youth who are unemployed and looking for a direction and/or a cause. With Canada's multicultural policies, we have the strength of a great many immigrants of many different nationalities. Most of the children of these immigrants are second generation, Canadian educated youth. Why not use that commodity? Years ago, a progressive president of the United States, created their “Peace Corps”. The idea was to allow American youth to work in different parts of the globe to spread democracy and good will of the USA. Why can we not do the same but create a volunteer (non military) “army”. Create a Canadian corps made up of different cultural and language based squads. We could have a Middle East and Asian and African and .... units that would be available be sent out to assist where there are problems with the added advantage that they are already familiar with the language and culture. This “Humanitarian” corps could be Canada's contribution to assist in world conflicts based on our multinational demography – a uniqueness that can be turned into a strength. This corps would be government sponsored and certain enticements may be offered to the participants. The cost for this whole program would be far less than one F-35 and be far more effective for Canada's reputation than another killing machine. We are already involved in a number of NGO's who do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 We are already involved in a number of NGO's who do just that. I was suggesting a government organization, organized along ethnic lines and treated like the military reserves that we have in Canada. A number of "ready" ethnic units prepared to spread the Canadian concept of aid and democracy throughout the world through humanitarian aid to ALL countries. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 The Canadian concept of aid and democracy throughout the world looks a lot like mining, oil services, and the kidnapping of a democratically elected president. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 The Canadian concept of aid and democracy throughout the world looks a lot like mining, oil services, and the kidnapping of a democratically elected president.That post makes no sense. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 That post makes no sense. Didn't make any sense to Haiti either. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 That post makes no sense. Are you surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Didn't make any sense to Haiti either.First, who did the Canadian government kidnap? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 First, who did the Canadian government kidnap? President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Can someone explain what's up with that? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Can someone explain what's up with that? Canada was just trying to spread its brand of democracy to Haiti: http://coat.ncf.ca/Haiti/Canada_in_Haiti.htm Getting back on topic....why haven't we seen the "radicalization of youth" from these and other countries where Canada (or the U.S.) have intervened ? Edited October 14, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Canada was just trying to spread its brand of democracy to Haiti: http://coat.ncf.ca/Haiti/Canada_in_Haiti.htm Getting back on topic....why haven't we seen the "radicalization of youth" from these and other countries where Canada (or the U.S.) have intervened ? Complete and utter nonsesne...again. Aristede himself claims the coup was instigated by the US. get some better links if you want to take a run at Canada on this one. Or any other one for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haitian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Actually, the Haiti coup was planned in Canada. If this is what Canada has in mind for a copycat Peace Corps for humanitarian aid...it won't work. The Ottawa Initiative on Haiti was a conference hosted by Canada that took place in Montreal, Quebec on 31 January and 1 February 2003, to decide the future of Haiti's government, though no Haitian government officials were invited.[11][12][13] The conference was attended by Canadian, French, and U.S. and Latin American officials. "Regime change"...Canada style. Edited October 14, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Actually, the Haiti coup was planned in Canada. If this is what Canada has in mind for a copycat Peace Corps for humanitarian aid...it won't work. The Ottawa Initiative on Haiti was a conference hosted by Canada that took place in Montreal, Quebec on 31 January and 1 February 2003, to decide the future of Haiti's government, though no Haitian government officials were invited.[11][12][13] The conference was attended by Canadian, French, and U.S. and Latin American officials. "Regime change"...Canada style. And it was attended by who? And the airplane that flew Aristide out of Haiti was owned by who? And Aristide himself contened the coup was instigated by who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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