Smallc Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 But of course, we have been providing aid for several months.......I don't think Trudeau knows what he wants. It sounds like he wants to send in unarmed 'boots on the ground'...so that they can get their heads cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 What "doodling"? Why did the Liberals vote in favour of the Afghan extension? Why did the Liberals and NDP vote in favour of the air strikes in Libya? Now why do they oppose action in Iraq? I think he meant fiddling. They're politicians and now the monster is here...a domestic matter of everyday politics...dividing us as inevitably as it did Rome. Before you know it our political parties will be shooting it out themselves. The stench of acrimony has long since been hanging over all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 What "doodling"? Why did the Liberals vote in favour of the Afghan extension? Why did the Liberals and NDP vote in favour of the air strikes in Libya? Now why do they oppose action in Iraq? "Doodling" is like when you take a week to finally answer a simple question like how many boots on the ground do we have and then finding out the initial answer was BS. That's doodling. The Lybia mission got support because there wasn't all this doodling. Now look, Harper has a war named after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 It sounds like he wants to send in unarmed 'boots on the ground'...so that they can get their heads cut off. Indeed.......and for those scoring at home the Liberals stance on military action post 9/11 ---Liberal Government sent military to Afghanistan ---Liberal Government opposed war in Iraq sans a UN mandate, but after the Americans and British, Canada had the third largest contingent within the Gulf, well providing logistical support and escorts to American forces involved in the opening of the war……and of course, soon to be Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff supported the war --Liberal Government increased the scope of Canada’s combat mission in Afghanistan --Liberal Party voted in favour of extending Afghan mission --Liberal Party voted in favour of air strikes over Libya --Liberal Party doesn’t support air strikes in Iraq to aid the elected Government of Iraq and the Kurdish peoples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 "Doodling" is like when you take a week to finally answer a simple question like how many boots on the ground do we have and then finding out the initial answer was BS. That's doodling. The Lybia mission got support because there wasn't all this doodling. Now look, Harper has a war named after him. So now that the Liberals have the information, as released Friday, will have a chance to debate/ask further questions (Monday) and a vote.......What is the Problem? Trudeau very clearly stated he opposes Canadian military action........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Why did the Liberals vote in favour of the Afghan extension? Why did the Liberals and NDP vote in favour of the air strikes in Libya? Now why do they oppose action in Iraq? what Afghan extension vote are you speaking to... repeatedly referencing? As for Libya, there was a covering UN Resolution created specifically to form the legal basis for military intervention in Iraq... as followed through operationally by NATO. What's in place for this next 'kick at the Iraqi can'... and for Syria bombing? in any case, I'm not sure why you keep asking the same questions over and over; ones that were answered for you in this previously provided link (to you)... did you not bother to read it? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 So now that the Liberals have the information, as released Friday, will have a chance to debate/ask further questions (Monday) and a vote.......What is the Problem? Trudeau very clearly stated he opposes Canadian military action........ He quite clearly stated that Harper had not made the case for military action. Pretty much why both he and Mulcair won't support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 what Afghan extension vote are you speaking to... repeatedly referencing? . http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2008/03/14/conservatives_liberals_extend_afghanistan_mission.html What's in place for this next 'kick at the Iraqi can'... and for Syria bombing? Nothing, other than the request for aid by the Government of Iraq..........Are you suggesting the Trudeau Liberals would support action in Iraq if there was a UN mandate? Does a country require a mandate for military action when requested by the Government of the nation the military action is to take place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 He quite clearly stated that Harper had not made the case for military action. What then would make the case? Are not the Iraqi Government and Kurd population requesting military action? What more does Trudeau need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 What then would make the case? Are not the Iraqi Government and Kurd population requesting military action? What more does Trudeau need? Harper was in a big hurry to get into Iraq 10 years ago which is where this whole shitstorm started. Luckily we had a Liberal PM who had enough brains to say no. Maybe that's all Trudeau needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Harper was in a big hurry to get into Iraq 10 years ago which is where this whole shitstorm started. Luckily we had a Liberal PM who had enough brains to say no. Maybe that's all Trudeau needs. Not quite, we had a PM that said no without UN sanction........Does Trudeau require UN sanction to support operations in Iraq, support for the Government of Iraq in combating a terrorist group committing wholesale genocide...........Funny enough, that same PM that said no to Iraq, also stood by during genocide in Rwanda..... So, Trudeau doesn't care about the women and children being tortured, raped and murdered in Iraq by ISIS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2008/03/14/conservatives_liberals_extend_afghanistan_mission.html oh... that vote! So not the unilateral decision made by Harper Conservatives to extend the 'Afghan mission' beyond the agreed to July 2011 date (as voted upon)... to unilaterally extend it to 2014. No voting option there hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I suppose for Trudeau, the following UN report isn't enough for action: “These include attacks directly targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, executions and other targeted killings of civilians, abductions, rape and other forms of sexual and physical violence perpetrated against women and children, forced recruitment of children, destruction or desecration of places of religious or cultural significance, wanton destruction and looting of property, and denial of fundamental freedoms,” the report says. If that's not a case for action, I don't know what is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) So, Trudeau doesn't care about the women and children being tortured, raped and murdered in Iraq by ISIS? really, what a dumbass comment! Should I in turn ask you if you care about the millions of Iraqi refugees... or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in the U.S. rush for 'regime change'? Edited October 5, 2014 by waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Not quite, we had a PM that said no without UN sanction........Does Trudeau require UN sanction to support operations in Iraq, support for the Government of Iraq in combating a terrorist group committing wholesale genocide...........Funny enough, that same PM that said no to Iraq, also stood by during genocide in Rwanda..... So, Trudeau doesn't care about the women and children being tortured, raped and murdered in Iraq by ISIS? I think I'll let you puzzle over that last question all by yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think I'll let you puzzle over that last question all by yourself. Because there is no answer. Trudeau has staked out a position that he thought would be popular. Too bad most Canadians disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I think I'll let you puzzle over that last question all by yourself. There's no puzzle at all........Trudeau's inaction and failure to recognise crimes against humanity is quite clear...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Because there is no answer. Trudeau has staked out a position that he thought would be popular. Too bad most Canadians disagree. The question doesn't warrant an answer. Most Canadians would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Too bad most Canadians disagree. ah yes... your single push-poll result! Keep on, keeping on, hey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 really, what a dumbass comment! Should I in turn ask you if you care about the millions of Iraqi refugees... or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in the U.S. rush for 'regime change'? What is dumb is Trudeau suggesting further aid alone would address the problem......the same day an aid worker got his head cut off Is this the preview of a PM Trudeau........Women and Children being raped and murdered, but he doesn't feel there is a case for action against those that perpetrate such crimes.....brilliant!!! Pearson is spinning in his grave no doubt!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Because there is no answer. Trudeau has staked out a position that he thought would be popular. Too bad most Canadians disagree. If you just want to talk about it in political terms, Harper's arrogance has caused him to stick his neck WAY out this time around. He's all alone on this one and if it turn's to shit he will have a lot of 'splanin to do all by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 ah yes... your single push-poll result! Keep on, keeping on, hey! Which poll does Trudeau base his inaction to genocide on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Which poll does Trudeau base his inaction to genocide on? why do you beat your wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 If you just want to talk about it in political terms, Harper's arrogance has caused him to stick his neck WAY out this time around. He's all alone on this one and if it turn's to shit he will have a lot of 'splanin to do all by himself. I'm sure the women and children in Iraq being raped and murdered feels this one has already turned to shit........The same women and children Trudeau doesn't feel justify Western military action to aid the Iraqi Government in stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 why do you beat your wife? Does it mater? Trudeau doesn't care about abuses towards women...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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