Black Racial Violence against Whites.

[Guest]

And...?

Hmm, I've posted several lengthy responses and gone back and forth with Argus in a civil manner. You've swooped in on his coattails like Chester the cartoon dog ("Get 'em Spike!") with your tiny drive by posts. It's pretty clear who's participating in the discussion and who's doing...something else.

And...

A typically blinkered response to someone to someone who brings up racism that isn't being perpetrated by the usual suspects upon the usual victims is to compare them to white supremacists. Or Hitler. Good job holding back there. The fear of being branded a racist is real, as you say, but not at all legitimate. It's wrong. Racism is racism. I don't believe in paying for the sins of the Father. I daresay you wouldn't either, if you were the one paying.

I'm sorry, you had posted a couple of responses before the post I quoted. I quoted that post and it skipped the others. I went back and read them today.

Are my posts too short? Pretty much all my posts are short. I don't post for others. I like the "drive by" tag.

What was the "...something else"? Having read whichever of my posts on here that you have read, do you think I'm a racist? Is it because I don't like racism by anyone, or is it because I don't like beheadings and stonings?

[WestCoastRunner]

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2014/09/16/racial-disparity-in-imprisonment-inspire-whites-to-be-tough-on-crime/

Sadly, this article won't even be read by the people who most desperately need to read it.

[jbg]

Ferguson is back in the news with an attempt to close a nearby highway as a protest against the 'racism' which saw violent offender Michael Brown shot by police. I thought I might post something somewhat contrary to that.

Don't you get it? Violence is good for economic development, which helps the underclass </sarcasm>

[Black Dog]

And...

A typically blinkered response to someone to someone who brings up racism that isn't being perpetrated by the usual suspects upon the usual victims is to compare them to white supremacists. Or Hitler. Good job holding back there.

Except at no point did I make any such comparison.

The fear of being branded a racist is real, as you say, but not at all legitimate. It's wrong.

As I said, I never implied the OP was racist or compared him to white supremacists. But when the OP employs tropes favoured by racists and white supremacists to rationalize racism, it's easy to see how one might get that impression.

Racism is racism.

Uh huh, And what is racism exactly?

I don't believe in paying for the sins of the Father. I daresay you wouldn't either, if you were the one paying.

Dunno what this means. I'm a straight white dude, which means I've been an unconscious beneficiary of racism. I never get stopped at random by cops. If my resume gets thrown out, it's probably because of my qualifications, not the name at at top. To suggest, then, that racism is not my problem and is something that happened in the past is just silly.

I'm sorry, you had posted a couple of responses before the post I quoted. I quoted that post and it skipped the others. I went back and read them today.

Are my posts too short? Pretty much all my posts are short. I don't post for others. I like the "drive by" tag.

What was the "...something else"? Having read whichever of my posts on here that you have read, do you think I'm a racist? Is it because I don't like racism by anyone, or is it because I don't like beheadings and stonings?

I have no reason to think you're any more or less racist on a personal level than the OP, me, or anyone else. Doesn't mean you, like the OP, me, or anyone else, are incapable of holding racist attitudes or beliefs.

[Black Dog]

Another day, another mob attack and no mention of the race of the perpetrators. Why is the MSM not talking about this?

[kimmy]

Remember your post about "truck nuts"? Talking about black on white crime is like truck nuts. Oh I'm sure there are plenty of people with a completely unbiased and reasoned perspective on the situation. The problem is that most of the people who are incessantly ranting about this on the internet are not those people. They're the ones with the truck nuts.

I'm certainly aware that this is a topic you really can't talk about without many people assuming you're coming from a place of bigotry.

But while referring to the president as Hussein is a weird stylistic choice that just serves to put people off what you're trying to say, in this thread it's the topic itself. I think that the only reliable way to discuss the topic of media bias in crime reporting without people assuming that you're a racist is to be black. I mean, I don't think it's an accident that Ed Bradley was the reporter who waded into the Duke lacrosse fiasco to tell the other side of the story and question the police and prosecutors' conduct. "Only Nixon could go to China," as the saying goes.

-k

Edited September 20, 2014 by kimmy

[kimmy]

As to your ideas, the social responsibility thing is a fig leaf to be sure, but the fear of being branded a racist for highlighting b-w violence is both real and entirely legitimate, given that b-w crime has been and continued to be a popular talking point among actual racists. So what we have is a bit of a feedback loop where MSM may not play up the racial aspect of violent incidents to avoid being seen as racist. This is then seized upon by actual racists who disseminate tales of racial violence (the racial motivations of which are frequently exaggerated for effect) as evidence of both the craven nature of the MSM and the subhuman nature of blacks.

That's why I argue that the lack of balance by mainstream media is actually doing a disservice.

It creates a sense of skepticism towards media coverage of racially motivated violence, because people assume they're only hearing about it if there's white attackers and non-white victims.

And it lets racists make their version events the version that people hear.

It's amazing how things can seem obvious when you set out to look for them. As I said, the idea that there's a huge and rising rate of racially motivated b-w crime that is going unreported is inherently unfalsifiable, which is why all we have is cherry picked anecdotes.

I don't purport to have any information about the rate of racially motivated crime going on, reported or otherwise. My complaint is specific to the way the media handles the racial aspect, and what I perceive as a bias that does a disservice to everyone.

-k

[Michael Hardner]

"Only Nixon could go to China," as the saying goes.

-k

When I first heard that, I was revolted. I was sitting in a movie theatre watching Star Trek 6 (I didn't pick the movie). It was 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_goes_to_China

I was revolted because the saying resonated so well, yet I knew that the Star Trek writers had come up with it. The idea of Star Trek being good on any level made me uneasy. Luckily that show and all of its descendants are gone now.

That's my bigotry, ie. I am a Startrekist

[Michael Hardner]

I don't purport to have any information about the rate of racially motivated crime going on, reported or otherwise. My complaint is specific to the way the media handles the racial aspect, and what I perceive as a bias that does a disservice to everyone.

-k

The 'media' as it's configured mostly reflects what its audience already knows. It reinforces more than it educates. At a certain point, that changes and we get an imbalance: part of the audience wants to see its attitudes reflected in media reporting, while another part of the audience wants media to show why current attitudes are a problem/need to change etc.

That's when it gets interesting: dialogue starts, and things start getting heated.

[cybercoma]

I'm certainly aware that this is a topic you really can't talk about without many people assuming you're coming from a place of bigotry.

But while referring to the president as Hussein is a weird stylistic choice that just serves to put people off what you're trying to say, in this thread it's the topic itself. I think that the only reliable way to discuss the topic of media bias in crime reporting without people assuming that you're a racist is to be black. I mean, I don't think it's an accident that Ed Bradley was the reporter who waded into the Duke lacrosse fiasco to tell the other side of the story and question the police and prosecutors' conduct. "Only Nixon could go to China," as the saying goes.

-k

I guess maybe we're talking about popular media here? Because there area a lot of academics that talk about these issues, themselves not black, and there's few claims of racial bigotry or racism.

[Argus]

I guess maybe we're talking about popular media here? Because there area a lot of academics that talk about these issues, themselves not black, and there's few claims of racial bigotry or racism.

I bet they dance around the issue. And they certainly don't discuss it in a classroom setting. All it would take would be for one student to e outraged at the topic for the academic in question to be brought before a disciplinary panel for racism and harassment.

[H10]

Number of white federal prisoners, 15,000. Number of black federal prisoners, 1400. 1200 Asian federal prisoners and 4500 aboriginal federal prisoners. This doesn't even make sense. The focus should be on those committing the vast majority of the crimes, WHITES. When adjusted for the high rate of being stopped by police and population, blacks have among the lowest criminal activities in Canada.of any ethnic group.

And do we really want to trot out the history of which race attacks which race more. It would be senseless here, we know how this country was founded and it wasn't on peace treaties.

The typical room looks like this where a black person lives. One black person and a bunch of non-black majority white people. So if a white person closes his eyes and shoot a gun he'll have an 80% chance of shooting another white. If a black person does the same the odds remain the same.

The criminal elements, the 1400, out of over 1 million black canadians who do commit crime, that tiny element, is doing that due to the fact that racism in school causes them to drop out or throws them out. And when you drop out or are kicked out or thrown out at 14, 13, 15, there isn't no one else who will hire you except the gangs.

Edited May 14, 2015 by H10

[Sofya]

wow... interesting to see different points of view...

[Argus]

Number of white federal prisoners, 15,000. Number of black federal prisoners, 1400. 1200 Asian federal prisoners and 4500 aboriginal federal prisoners.

The focus should be on those committing the vast majority of the crimes, WHITES.

First of all, you misrepresent the figures by ignoring population.

Black people make up about 2.5% of Canada’s population. Yet they now represent just over 9% of the federal inmate population, the report says.

So Blacks actually are greatly overrpresented among criminals while Whites are underrepresented. But that still doesn't really tell the whole truth. Blacks are not only disproprionately responsible for crime they appear to be disproportionately responsible for the kinds of crimes that frighten people. Street crime, muggings, pimping, rape, drug dealing, gang shootouts, all that kind of stuff, that seems to be the focus of most Black crime, and it's what the police are always pressured to control and stop. Most gang shootings in Ontario and Quebec seem to be Black street gangs, for example, and as one 52 Division commander in Toronto famously pronounced, Blacks made up 5% of the population of his division but were responsible for 95% of the crime.

Now you don't do much about fraud or spousal abuse by carding people. So of course, the police focus on blacks, particularly young black men who are most likely to be involved in gangs or with drugs.

And do we really want to trot out the history of which race attacks which race more.

Oh, no question Blacks attack Whites far, far and away more often. I mean, we don't keep those stats here as they do in the US, or UK, but in those jurisdictions the proportion of black on white violence, particularly sexual violence, is massively higher than White on Black violence. Again, as in Canada, Blacks are responsible for much more street crime per capita, and while Blacks are often their victims, the great majority of the population is white, so they are often victimized too. And it certainly seems to me that every time I read about a nasty street crime, especially if it involves multiple assailants, the description begins with "young black male" or thereabouts, or I see a black face looking out of my newspaper after an arrest.

The typical room looks like this where a black person lives. One black person and a bunch of non-black majority white people. So if a white person closes his eyes and shoot a gun he'll have an 80% chance of shooting another white. If a black person does the same the odds remain the same.

Except the odds are much higher it'll be a Black person shooting his gun off. As I said, most street crime is commited by ethnic gangs, mostly Black in Ontario and Quebec, mostly Asian in BC, mostly Natives in the west.

, that tiny element, is doing that due to the fact that racism in school causes them to drop out or throws them out.

Black failure at schools is a tragedy, but it's not because of racism. The major dual casues are lack of family involvement in education (most Black families are headed by a single mother with little paternal involvement) and because of a cultural value set which originates in the US, among US rappers, and has spread to Canada, which basically says only doofuses and weaklings care about education.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Argus

[H10]

First of all, you misrepresent the figures by ignoring population.

Black people make up about 2.5% of Canada’s population. Yet they now represent just over 9% of the federal inmate population, the report says.

So Blacks actually are greatly overrpresented among criminals while Whites are underrepresented. But that still doesn't really tell the whole truth. Blacks are not only disproprionately responsible for crime they appear to be disproportionately responsible for the kinds of crimes that frighten people. Street crime, muggings, pimping, rape, drug dealing, gang shootouts, all that kind of stuff, that seems to be the focus of most Black crime, and it's what the police are always pressured to control and stop. Most gang shootings in Ontario and Quebec seem to be Black street gangs, for example, and as one 52 Division commander in Toronto famously pronounced, Blacks made up 5% of the population of his division but were responsible for 95% of the crime.

No, I did not misrepresent figures, I did account for population. Your numbers are wrong, blacks account for closer to 5.5% of the population of Canada, there numbers are grossly under-represented by more than 50% on census data as proven by the study done out of Mcgill. Blacks represent 8% of federal inmates not 9%.

However when you account for the fact that blacks who are committing no crime are stopped at 4 times the rates of whites and carded and information is kept in a secret government database, you actually are forced to conclude blacks have a lowest rate of crime per police interaction, all factors adjusted. If we were to stop whites at 4 times the current rate, you'd see alot more white criminals. Even if white crime actualy was falling. Then when you throw on the fact that almost all the people freed under innocence projects and appeals for false convictions are blacks or aboriginals, and the embedded biases of whites throughout the court system and the fact that whites have more money so can buy better lawyers too to get them lighter sentences or charges dropped, all adds up to blacks having the LOWEST crime rate of any group.

When you consider that whites are stopped less than 1/4th the amount of blacks, are not kept in government databases, generally receive fair trials and fair treatment from a white majority system with a whit cop, white judge, white majority jury and white prosecutor and defence lawyer, most of whom will give the benefit of the doubt to him for being white at all stages. Whites have a far more higher rate of crime than probably any other group in the country. It is why most of the serial rapist and serial killers are whites. When you are white in Canada, you blend in, you are stopped very rarely and when you are its not under a cloud of suspicion. Despite the fact you constitute the vast majority of crime, and the vast majority of federal prisoners, and that whites are convicted by their own white kind at more than 8 times the rate of blacks.

The rest of your verbal dribble is unsubstantiated. Whites commit the most rapes, robberies, murders, shooting, stabbing, killing of wife and children etc.

The report is a response to one consequence of African-Canadian diversity: the fact that almost half of us do not identify ourselves as "black" on Canadian census documents.

http://news-archive.mcgill.ca/w97/black.htm

Further, the census doesn't take into account people who are not pr/citizens many of whom are black.

Now you don't do much about fraud or spousal abuse by carding people. So of course, the police focus on blacks, particularly young black men who are most likely to be involved in gangs or with drugs.

Oh, no question Blacks attack Whites far, far and away more often. I mean, we don't keep those stats here as they do in the US, or UK, but in those jurisdictions the proportion of black on white violence, particularly sexual violence, is massively higher than White on Black violence. Again, as in Canada, Blacks are responsible for much more street crime per capita, and while Blacks are often their victims, the great majority of the population is white, so they are often victimized too. And it certainly seems to me that every time I read about a nasty street crime, especially if it involves multiple assailants, the description begins with "young black male" or thereabouts, or I see a black face looking out of my newspaper after an arrest.

There are far more white gangs and white drug users and dealers per capita than any other race. The hells angels, bandidos, the italian mafia, the russian mafia, the french mafia, armenian power and french gangs etc if you go into toronto's black plurality neighbourhoods with high crime the drug dealers are actually all russians not blacks.

Most of the sex crimes done in canada are done by white men, and it has always been this way, paul bernardo, picton farmer etc.

I think the reason you think all crimes are done by blacks when whites commit 8 times more crime than blacks in Canada is due to the fact that you have a paranoid fear of blacks, which I can't blame you entirely for due to media bias. I recall when the white security guard shot two other white guys in downtown toronto, or when the two white guys murdered each other in downtown toronto. Because whites control the media along with asians and because the whites aren't carded, their faces are never shown on tv. The other thing, is whites think of themselvees as normative. Whites never describe another white person as white in general terms. If a white guy does a crime the description is tall middle aged man with glasses and brown hair did a murder. Just take the white guy who murdered his wife and kids and jumped on the train track, no description of his race has yet come out yet.

I just looked on crime stoppers dot ca. of the 12 most wanted 7 are white, 3 are asian and 2 are black. The 2 black ones are wanted for 1) elbowing a passenger on the ttc, and the other black one is wanted for prostituion related thing. The Asians ones is wanted for touching boys, sex assault, sex crimes, robbery with guns and parole violations. The whites ones are wanted fro drugs, sex crimes, shooting, guns, bank robbery and a host of other violent crimes. Your comments are quiet silly when the evidence is out in the open like that. Whites commit the vast majority of crime even in toronto, and the media covers it up.

https://222tips.com/

Except the odds are much higher it'll be a Black person shooting his gun off. As I said, most street crime is commited by ethnic gangs, mostly Black in Ontario and Quebec, mostly Asian in BC, mostly Natives in the west.

Black failure at schools is a tragedy, but it's not because of racism. The major dual casues are lack of family involvement in education (most Black families are headed by a single mother with little paternal involvement) and because of a cultural value set which originates in the US, among US rappers, and has spread to Canada, which basically says only doofuses and weaklings care about education.

The highest crime in general are in Alberta and the white provinces out west. Whites committ the most violent street by any objective measure.

Black poor performance in school is entirely due to racism. Most black families are more educated on average than white families in Canada. according to stats can 21% of jamaican canadians hold college degrees compared to just 15% of canadians and 19% of african canadians have university degrees compared to just 15% of canadians. The blacks in canada are more educated than the whites

Those in the African community in Canada are somewhat more likely than the rest of the population to be university graduates. In 2001, 19% of African people aged 15 and over were university graduates, compared with 15% of those in the overall adult population.

The African population is also somewhat overrepresented among those with post-graduate degrees. In 2001, 7.3% of people aged 15 and over who reported having African origins had either a Master’s Degree or an earned doctorate, versus 4.8% of all Canadians in this age range.

As is true in the overall population, African men are somewhat better educated than their female counterparts. In 2001, for example, 23% of African males aged 15 and over, versus 15% of females, had a university degree. In fact, African men are considerably more likely than their respective counterparts in the overall population to have a university degree, whereas African women are about as likely as other women to be a university graduate.

Young African people are also more likely than other young Canadians to be attending school. In 2001, 71% of the African population aged 15 to 24 was enrolled in a full-time educational program, versus just 57% of other young people in this age range. As well, among African people aged 15 to 24, females are slightly more likely than males to be attending school. That year, 72% of African women aged 15 to 24 were enrolled in some form of full-time educational program, compared with 70% of their male counterparts. This is similar to the situation in the overall population in which young women were more likely to be in school than young men.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-621-x/89-621-x2007010-eng.htm

There are more than enough reports and you can look at the ryerson u and yorku reports on racism to see all the kinds of racism whites engage in against black students or the hrc report on racism in Ontario schools against blacks. Frankly there are so many of such reports. Black parents have gotten tired and having their children attacked by whites that they set up their own schools called africentric schools where they can be free from white racial and sex attacks.

[Argus]

No, I did not misrepresent figures, I did account for population.

No, you very, very clearly did not.

Your numbers are wrong, blacks account for closer to 5.5% of the population of Canada, there numbers are grossly under-represented by more than

50% on census data as proven by the study done out of Mcgill.

You've failed to cite any such study so I think I will accept the government's numbers, thanks.

Blacks represent 8% of federal inmates not 9%.

You are quibbling. The point is their numbers are grossly out of proportion to their numbers in the general population.

However when you account for the fact that blacks who are committing no crime are stopped at 4 times the rates of whites and carded and information is kept in a secret government database, you actually are forced to conclude blacks have a lowest rate of crime per police

No, I'm not forced to conclude any such thing. There's no evidence to support this thesis. Blacks are not only arrested at a much higher rate than whites but the description of the assailants are what causes Blacks to be stopped so often in the first place.

all factors adjusted. If we were to stop whites at 4 times the current rate, you'd see alot more white criminals.

There's no evidence to support that suggestion. Most street crime, which is the target of such policing activities, is committed by non-whites.

The rest of your verbal dribble is unsubstantiated. Whites commit the most rapes, robberies, murders, shooting, stabbing, killing of wife and children etc.

'The most' as in most people are White. Once again, you seem to be incapable of understanding the concept of crimes per population. The White population, being vastly larger than the Black population, clearly would commit more crimes. The problem is not raw numbers but comparing the numbers to the numbers in the general population, which is why we know that Black crime is much higher than their population would warrant.

Further, the census doesn't take into account people who are not pr/citizens many of whom are black.

It does actually count landed immigrants and non-citizens too.

There are far more white gangs and white drug users and dealers per capita than any other race. The hells angels, bandidos, the italian mafia, the russian mafia, the french mafia, armenian power and french gangs etc if you go into toronto's black plurality neighbourhoods with high crime the drug dealers are actually all russians not blacks.

This is sputtering nonsense. The Hells Angels, for example, who dominate Canada's outlaw biker gang community, number only a few hundred. Furthermore, they're 'organized' crime, which means they're not in bus and subway stations 'swarming' people, not mugging people, not breaking into their homes, not stealing their cars, not sticking guns or knives in their faces, and not committing other street crimes. I'm not diminishing their criminality but they simply aren't the kind of criminals most Canadians need to worry about.

Most of the sex crimes done in canada are done by white men, and it has always been this way, paul bernardo, picton farmer etc.

And almost all the pimps seem to be Black, especially those trafficking in underage girls. For every Bernardo there are a thousand Black pimps, mostly trafficking in white girls. I can't remember the last time I saw a case of human trafficking or pimping that didn't have a black face staring at me from my TV or newspaper.

I think the reason you think all crimes are done by blacks when whites commit 8 times more crime than blacks in Canada is due to the fact that you have a paranoid fear of blacks,

Nooo, I think its because I keep seeing them in reports, in media, on TV, as those being sought, arrested or convicted of all manner of shootings, rapes, pimping, drug dealing, etc. It's true we don't keep full criminal statistics based on race, and that the media avoids mentioning race where it can, but you can't hide a black face. And occasional facts do come out in the media such as the one where the 52 Division commander in Toronto stated that while Blacks made up 5% of the population of his district they were responsible for 95% of the crime. Or the macleans article on the shootings in Toronto which stated almost all of them were from Black, mostly Jamaican gangs, or the report in the Citizen which stated that the majority of young offenders in custody in the Ottawa area were Somalians.

I recall when the white security guard shot two other white guys in downtown toronto, or when the two white guys murdered each other in downtown toronto. Because whites control the media along with asians and because the whites aren't carded, their faces are never shown on tv.

I have no idea where you're getting this. Carding has nothing to do wih showing faces on TV, and 'white' media has never shown any reluctance to show criminals faces just because they're white.

The highest crime in general are in Alberta and the white provinces out west.

The highest crime rates are in areas where native gangs flourish. In the far west it's immigrant gangs, mostly Asian and Indian. BTW, don't assume there are no blacks out west. Alberta has a flourishing Somali street gang problem in its major cities.

Black poor performance in school is entirely due to racism. Most black families are more educated on average than white families in Canada. according to stats can 21% of Jamaican Canadians hold college degrees compared to just 15% of Canadians and 19% of African Canadians have university degrees compared to just 15% of Canadians. The blacks in Canada are more educated than the whites

Again this is pure silliness. The notorious poor performance of Blacks in schools is due to single parent families and poverty. Jamaica itself has a huge problem with absentee fathers with 80% of children born out of wedlock, and the Jamaican community in Canada is little different. In fact, the Jamaican community in Canada was founded by single mothers coming here to work as maids and housekeepers and nannies. It took years before they could bring their kids over, who, by then, barely recognized their mothers and resented coming. This was the origin of the Jamaican street gangs in central Canada.

Black youth culture devalues education as a source of pride, and the single mother parenting which is predominant among most segments of the Black community does not tend to show a lot of support either. That's when Black kids have any parents at all. I saw a CBC report which said over 40% of children under the car of the CAS in the Toronto area were black. That's a pretty strong indication of the poor health of Black families.

There are more than enough reports and you can look at the ryerson u and yorku reports on racism to see all the kinds of racism whites engage in against black students or the hrc report on racism in Ontario schools against blacks. Frankly there are so many of such reports. Black parents have gotten tired and having their children attacked by whites that they set up their own schools called africentric schools where they can be free from white racial and sex attacks.

No one is denying that kids can be mean to other kids, over any perceived differences, be they weight, hair coloring, skin coloring, glasses, height, accent or anything else. Suggesting physical violence directed at Blacks because of racism is in any way prevalent, however, is nonsensical. Black youths engage in the same sort of racism towards whites and Asians, and, though it's anecdotal since we don't keep statistics, my belief is black on white physical attacks are far more common

Edited May 17, 2015 by Argus

[H10]

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Whites committ the most crime per capita, do highest organized gang, do the most rape and pimping are number one in hate crimes. Whites commit 65% of the crime nation wide, so when a white cop says blacks do 95% of the crime, it simply shows either you are lying or the cop is sharing your white power delusions. Blacks committ the least crime of any group. Dr. Boyce Watkins makes it clear that if whites were prosecuted in the same manner as blacks, there would be about 25 times the number of whites in prisons. Whites are the highest amount of crime committers per capita in every area of society.

https://youtu.be/HgsZ9N8Bs_w

And if Jamaican cultures devalues education, why are Jamaicans more educated on average in Canada according to stats can than the whites. 21% of Jamaicans have college degrees compared to just 15% of canadians.

In 2001, 21% of people of Jamaican origin aged 15 and over were college graduates, compared with 15% of adults in the overall population. Young people of Jamaican origin are slightly more likely than other young Canadians to be attending school. In 2001, 60% of Canadians of Jamaican origin aged 15 to 24 were enrolled in a full-time educational program, compared with 57% of all Canadians in this age group.

Britain has majority of its children born out of wedlock, there is a global trend away from marriage amongst young people.

80% of Swedish children are born out of wedlock

While 40% of the children in cas in toronto may be black, who is taking the children, WHITES!. So again it goes back to what saida grundy calls the white male college problem population.

The rest of your mutterings,well all of them actually are unsubtantiated, there are more hells angels and other biker criminals than blacks in the entire criminal system in canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/biker-gangs-in-canada-1.775978

The club's old guard was said to be against its absorption of the Rock Machine's Ontario branches for fear of igniting the same kind of war with the Hells Angels that gripped Quebec for much of the 1990s and left at least 150 people dead.

In April 2006, eight people — all Bandidos members or associates — were found dead in a farmer's field near the small town of Shedden, Ont., about 30 kilometres southwest of London. Police said the killings virtually wiped out the Toronto chapter of the Bandidos.

In early 2009, Gérald Gallant, who confessed to contract killing during the bloody biker wars, helped police arrest 11 people who allegedly ordered or carried out killings during the course of the turf battle. He also pleaded guilty to slaying 27 people over three decades, making him one of Canada's most prolific killers.

Funny how you completely ignore all these murders by whites when accounting for your statistics.

Rock Machine

Second only to Hells Angels in Quebec. A long-running turf war with the Angels left more than 150 people dead as the two fought over the lucrative trade in illegal drugs. The war also led to the passage of anti-gang legislation by the federal government.

And you are wrong that they do only white collar crime, all those murders are street crime

Ottawa Hells Angels linked to multimillion-dollar heist

If only the guards in the armoured truck hadn't pulled over for coffee at McDonald's.

Everything you said about blacks are lies and true of whites.

Edited May 17, 2015 by H10

[Freddy]

There's no question that the original form of racism which saw Africans shipped abroad as slaves was 5he bedrock form, the kind which saw them as less than human.

Wait a minute here.

It was black African warlords, who were selling captured slaves from rival tribes to white European ship Captains.

[H10]

Wait a minute here.

It was black African warlords, who were selling captured slaves from rival tribes to white European ship Captains.

While I typically disagree with Argus, I think he might be correct on this one.

” …Some slaves were stolen by Europeans ‘panyared’- as the english word for Espanola (Spain/portugal) was pronounced – and some as ocurred often in Angola, were the victims of military campaigns mounted specifically by portuguese proconsuls in order to capture slaves…” see Hugh Thomas, The slave trade (1997) , page 792.

“Spanish records report that in mid-july, ‘English corsairs’ waylaid and captured the Portuguese slaver Sao Joao Bautista. She had below decks some 370 Angolans, who had been taken prisoner during Portugal’s bloody war of conquest in Luanda” See Don Jordan and Michael Walsh , White Cargo (2008), Page 87.

I would wonder, where would you even get the idea that Europeans would be foolish enough to buy a slave when the history of Europe going back to Julius Cesaer was to just invade and raid and take anyone as a slave? The norse did this, the brits, the romans and greeks, no society ever paid for slaves in mass. In fact the English raided Ireland and Wales and other white countries for slaves before slavery became entirely racialized. The russians raided other russians for slaves. St. Patrick was a run away Irish slave captured by english slave raiders.

I am also curious as to how you explain all the other races of slaves, like the malays, the indians, the chinese, the filipinos? Do you really think European colonialist armed to the teeth with the best weapons of their time were packing their ships with gold to buy slaves when they could just throw a net on the first people they see and kidnap them?

Come to think of it, such a question doesn't need to be answered. It really doesn't make much of a difference of how European sex traffickers and human traffickers, who would go on to committ the largest genocide in history managed to capture their slaves.

There are many countries today in Europe, particularly the East, where I could walk into a town and buy a child, or a woman. Human trafficking is a real problem there. No one would fall for the argument that I am justified in buying white women for sale as sex slaves or I have the right to genocide and murder and rape and torture white women slaves because it is white men selling them. A normal well adjusted indiviual would ask, what the hell were you thinking, killing and raping. They wouldn't say, well white people sold you a white woman so you can do as you please.

[Freddy]

While I typically disagree with Argus, I think he might be correct on this one.

” …Some slaves were stolen by Europeans ‘panyared’- as the english word for Espanola (Spain/portugal) was pronounced – and some as ocurred often in Angola, were the victims of military campaigns mounted specifically by portuguese proconsuls in order to capture slaves…” see Hugh Thomas, The slave trade (1997) , page 792.

“Spanish records report that in mid-july, ‘English corsairs’ waylaid and captured the Portuguese slaver Sao Joao Bautista. She had below decks some 370 Angolans, who had been taken prisoner during Portugal’s bloody war of conquest in Luanda” See Don Jordan and Michael Walsh , White Cargo (2008), Page 87.

I would wonder, where would you even get the idea that Europeans would be foolish enough to buy a slave when the history of Europe going back to Julius Cesaer was to just invade and raid and take anyone as a slave? The norse did this, the brits, the romans and greeks, no society ever paid for slaves in mass. In fact the English raided Ireland and Wales and other white countries for slaves before slavery became entirely racialized. The russians raided other russians for slaves. St. Patrick was a run away Irish slave captured by english slave raiders.

I am also curious as to how you explain all the other races of slaves, like the malays, the indians, the chinese, the filipinos? Do you really think European colonialist armed to the teeth with the best weapons of their time were packing their ships with gold to buy slaves when they could just throw a net on the first people they see and kidnap them?

Come to think of it, such a question doesn't need to be answered. It really doesn't make much of a difference of how European sex traffickers and human traffickers, who would go on to committ the largest genocide in history managed to capture their slaves.

There are many countries today in Europe, particularly the East, where I could walk into a town and buy a child, or a woman. Human trafficking is a real problem there. No one would fall for the argument that I am justified in buying white women for sale as sex slaves or I have the right to genocide and murder and rape and torture white women slaves because it is white men selling them. A normal well adjusted indiviual would ask, what the hell were you thinking, killing and raping. They wouldn't say, well white people sold you a white woman so you can do as you please.

That's natures law of the strongest. You're just being a well balanced hypocrite. What gives us the right to enslave cattle, or chickens, for the purpose of killing and eating them.

What gives any predator the right to run down and kill any other animal? You're domesticated to believe about rights. Brainwashed even. The Lion kills because he has the speed and strength to do it.

Or are you saying Nature is unbalanced and stupid? And you're smarter then nature?

[drummindiver]

Racism & slavery caused current black poverty, which in turn causes black crime & violence (the poor are almost always more likely to commit crime & violence in our society), which in turn perpetuates black racial stereotypes by whites & other non-blacks.

In Canada, aboriginals take the cake over blacks if i'm not mistaken. Once again in great part due to very old legacies of mistreatment by whitey.

Blacks had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Aboriginals had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Quit making excuses for ppl behaving badly.

[drummindiver]

So if it was about "economics" that makes it OK? Geezuz! I don't believe it. You and Argus should get together down there in "Alabams."

For someone who opposes racism, you sure say some bigoted things against Americans. Talk about painting with a broad brush.

[Freddy]

Blacks had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Aboriginals had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Quit making excuses for ppl behaving badly.

It's not even bad behaviour. That's like saying anything that kills any other living thing is behaving badly. All of this is perfectly normal behaviour by Natures standards.

What a bleeding hart culture we have become

Edited May 19, 2015 by Freddy

[Michael Hardner]

What a bleeding hart culture we have become

I have long been waiting for some pure libertarian to come along here and advocate for the state to get out of the business of murder between consenting individuals.

[Moonlight Graham]

Blacks had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Aboriginals had slaves long before they even knew about whitey.

Quit making excuses for ppl behaving badly.

Sorry, facts and statistics win.