Black Racial Violence against Whites.

[Argus]

The only post you're going to get from me in this thread is a reference to a conclusive study done years ago in the journal Social Forces.

Which does not, of course explain why mobs of Black 'youths' would get together to attack white people and run rampant through streets and stores smashing things.

I might also point out that it's impossible to effectively compare black and white crime as a sociological study given the US crime statistics lump Hispanics in with Whites for crime purposes. There are masses of Hispanic street and drug gangs, for example, rather less of 'white' street gangs (are there even any?)

[Argus]

Funny to hear such demands for specificity coming from someone who talks in broad terms about how "much of" violence is directed at whites by blacks and other generalities. The bunk in question is the premises upon which the paranoid race fears of your sources rests.

I take it this means you can't actually argue with any of the points they made?

Of course, in your example the mob in question attacked several non-whites as well: what was the racial motivation for that?

It's a mob. They'll attack what they can get. But their clear preference is White people.

I'm not sure what rapes have to do with anything.

An indication of how exaggerated rape claims made by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton receive national attention but real life violent and murderous sexual assaults by Black men against White women receive receive no national attention. Any attack by a White on a Black immediately draws suspicion of a racial motive. The reverse virtually never happens.

There most certainly is "a question". Racism in the U.S. is a 300+ year old phenomenon: declaring one single thing to be the cause based on the last 60 or so years is simple ignorance or obfuscation.

I don't think there are a lot of people out there beyond the likes of White Pride groups suggesting Blacks are intellectually inferior or less than human or something. I think the suspicion of Blacks is mostly because of percieved (and real) violence and criminality.

[Black Dog]

I take it this means you can't actually argue with any of the points they made?

That's exactly what I'm doing now.

It's a mob. They'll attack what they can get. But their clear preference is White people.

Prove it.

An indication of how exaggerated rape claims made by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton receive national attention but real life violent and murderous sexual assaults by Black men against White women receive receive no national attention.

Stubenville ring any bells?

Any attack by a White on a Black immediately draws suspicion of a racial motive. The reverse virtually never happens.

I reckon you thank the mobs of white racists who used to go around stringing up black people for that.

Anyway, it's unclear if you want people to ascribe racial motivation to violent crimes more often or less.

I don't think there are a lot of people out there beyond the likes of White Pride groups suggesting Blacks are intellectually inferior or less than human or something. I think the suspicion of Blacks is mostly because of percieved (and real) violence and criminality.

Perceptions fueled from the days of slavery the belief in black inferiority and hysterical articles about gangs of black men roaming the streets looting and raping.

[On Guard for Thee]

my only response at this point would be to recall three words:

K K K

[kimmy]

Stubenville ring any bells?

Well that's a very poor counter-example, because no racial aspect of the story was mentioned in any of the coverage I ever saw. It wasn't until the verdict was televised that most of us found out that one of the defendants was black.

I've been in several discussions on this topic over the years here at MLW and I have always argued that the media makes a big deal about race when it's white people attacking non-white people, but handles it like it's made of nitroglycerin when it's non-white people attacking white people. I will dig up some of my old posts on the topic.

I think some obvious examples include cases like the Duke lacrosse team incident, where people were screaming "HAAAATE CRIIIIIME!!!" from the rooftops. As if racial hatred would be the only possible reason college boys might sexually assault women. Then it turned out that the supposed assault never even happened and the only people who'd been victims of a hate crime were the college boys who'd been lynched in the media. Or the incident in Courtney BC where where three white guys were caught on video harassing a black guy in a parking lot, and the whole country was screaming "HAAAATE CRIIIIIME!" as if guys never get in fights in parking lots unless racial hatred is a factor.

By contrast, if you look at cases where non-whites are the aggressors, race is seldom mentioned at all. Consider the case where 16 black high school kids were charged and eventually convicted of sexually assaulting a white student in Toronto. The only reason we ever heard about the race of either the attackers or the victim is that the mothers of the accused went to the media to their sons were victims of racism by the police.

We can find the same tendency at work in this incident as well. It's "Tennessee: flash mob attacks grocery store" with the race aspect being tip-toed around.

-k

[kimmy]

A lot of my prior posts on this topic appear to have been in threads that don't exist anymore. That's probably because they were topics started by Lictor the neo-Nazi.

I did find an article I'd linked to once upon a time. This piece contrasts the Duke lacrosse media circus with the non-coverage of the gruesome rape/torture/murder of a white couple at the hands of a group of blacks:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18745632/#.VBR8OhbE6uo

Glenn Reynolds, a University of Tennessee law professor who operates Instapundit, a current events blog, said he was branded an apologist after he wrote that he had seen no evidence the killings were a hate crime.

However, he said: "I think it is totally true if the races of the perpetrators and the victims were reversed, the press would make a bigger deal about it. I think some people have been hanging back for fear of inflaming things."

Ted Gest, president of the Criminal Justice Journalists group, a national organization of reporters who cover crime, courts and prisons, said interracial crime tends to get more coverage than when the criminal and victim are of the same race.

"But I can't say that this one would have had any more coverage if five whites had been accused of doing these things to two blacks, absent a blatant racial motive," he said. "As bad as this crime is, the apparent absence of any interest group involvement or any other `angle' might also explain the lack of coverage."

Note the obvious catch in Mr Gest's comment: "a blatant racial motive".

People are predisposed to find a racial motive if the victim isn't white. People are predisposed to find some other explanation if the victim is white.

White cop shoots black teenager? Hate crime. Mooks in Courtney BC harassing a black guy in a parking lot? Hate crime. Frat boys allegedly assault black strippers? Hate crime.

The people in that grocery store? Wrong place at the wrong time. What happened to Channon Christian? Just a car-jacking gone wrong.

-k

[Shady]

A lot of my prior posts on this topic appear to have been in threads that don't exist anymore. That's probably because they were topics started by Lictor the neo-Nazi.

I did find an article I'd linked to once upon a time. This piece contrasts the Duke lacrosse media circus with the non-coverage of the gruesome rape/torture/murder of a white couple at the hands of a group of blacks:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18745632/#.VBR8OhbE6uo

Note the obvious catch in Mr Gest's comment: "a blatant racial motive".

People are predisposed to find a racial motive if the victim isn't white. People are predisposed to find some other explanation if the victim is white.

White cop shoots black teenager? Hate crime. Mooks in Courtney BC harassing a black guy in a parking lot? Hate crime. Frat boys allegedly assault black strippers? Hate crime.

The people in that grocery store? Wrong place at the wrong time. What happened to Channon Christian? Just a car-jacking gone wrong.

-k

Very well said.

[WestCoastRunner]

Everybody knows that "White" Canadians are experts on "Black" Americans.

I really don't understand your problem with canadians posting about american issues. You have no problem posting about canadian issues. Do we allow you the privilege, however, we are not allowed to express our thoughts?

[On Guard for Thee]

He's a little thin skinned about such things. (Oops, pardon the "skin" reference)

[WestCoastRunner]

Everybody knows that "White" Canadians are experts on "Black" Americans.

Having read through this bs thread, i can understand your response. I do not believe that 'white canadians' are experts on 'black americans'. Of course we are not. We know that. But we try to understand.

[bush_cheney2004]

I really don't understand your problem with canadians posting about american issues. You have no problem posting about canadian issues. Do we allow you the privilege, however, we are not allowed to express our thoughts?

"Allow" me the privilege ? On a web site hosted in the United States with an American forum engine and database ? Please.....

I encourage you to express all your thoughts so that I may better understand the CanAm cultural dynamic and determined "southward" leering through the one-way mirror at the border. Any comments I make about Canadian issues are usually a satirical extension and mocking of the same underlying dance.

Now back to more expert analysis of "black", "brown", and other non-"white" people.

[WestCoastRunner]

On a web site hosted in the United States with an American forum engine and database ?

I encourage you to express all your thoughts so that I may better understand the CanAm cultural dynamic and determined "southward" leering through the one-way mirror at the border. Any comments I make about Canadian issues are usually a satirical extension and mocking of the same underlying dance.

Now back to more expert analysis of "black", "brown", and other non-"white" people.

Yes, I understand our site is hosted in the U.S. Who cares???? Seriously?

I also understand your feedback is entirely a satirical response so you understand we don't take you seriously.

Now, back to more expert analysis.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well said. Especially the "don't take you seriously" part. But I guess WE all knew that already.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, I understand our site is hosted in the U.S. Who cares???? Seriously?

It's just a fun microcosm of the entire CanAm dynamic on exhibit here...so many things hosted/involving those "damn Americans".

I also understand your feedback is entirely a satirical response so you understand we don't take you seriously.

We are all guests here....nobody has a monopoly on importance or seriousness...especially those who think they do.

"Black" Americans outnumber the entire population of Canada, but I suspect that few spend time wondering why "Whites" commit more crimes than "Asians".

[On Guard for Thee]

What's up with all the quotation marks?

[Argus]

What's up with all the quotation marks?

BC likes to portray himself as above petty considerations on race even while determinedly supporting extremist right wing political movements which do their best to relegate black people to the status of animals and slaves.

[bush_cheney2004]

Actually, it is far more straightforward to deal with blatant "right wing" racists compared to "liberal" do-gooders determined to keep victimhood alive for political gain. As for the pretenders on such U.S. issues from Canada, it is just entertainment from the Great White North.

[On Guard for Thee]

There you go contradicting yourself again. I thought your idea was that Camadians got all their "entertainment" from the US. Now you say it's "the other way 'round" Make up your "mind".

[Bob Macadoo]

BC likes to portray himself as above petty considerations on race even while determinedly supporting extremist right wing political movements which do their best to relegate black people to the status of animals and slaves.

What??? Did you really just do that? Cajones Argus.....cajones grande.

[On Guard for Thee]

Likewise. Surprised the hell out of me. I reckined BC and Argus were two twains on the same twack.

[Black Dog]

I've been in several discussions on this topic over the years here at MLW and I have always argued that the media makes a big deal about race when it's white people attacking non-white people, but handles it like it's made of nitroglycerin when it's non-white people attacking white people.

Is it really that hard to figure out why that might be?

[cybercoma]

What??? Did you really just do that? Cajones Argus.....cajones grande.

Likewise. Surprised the hell out of me. I reckined BC and Argus were two twains on the same twack.

You guy don't give Argus enough credit. Sure some of the things he says about immigration and foreigners is completely distasteful, but he's a hell of a lot smarter than the average partisan hack.

[Bob Macadoo]

You guy don't give Argus enough credit. Sure some of the things he says about immigration and foreigners is completely distasteful, but he's a hell of a lot smarter than the average partisan hack.

Didn't say he wasn't intelligent....that's what makes the things that come out of his mouth scarier.

[Guest]

Is it really that hard to figure out why that might be?

Of course not. Some things just make people uncomfortable, such that they raise blinkers and refuse to acknowledge facts. Doesn't make it right though, and I think that was the point of the OP.

No one on here has actually argued the post. Just given Argus a hard time for daring to broach the subject.

[Black Dog]

Of course not. Some things just make people uncomfortable, such that they raise blinkers and refuse to acknowledge facts. Doesn't make it right though, and I think that was the point of the OP.

No one on here has actually argued the post. Just given Argus a hard time for daring to broach the subject.

Actually I'm still unclear as to what the point of the post is. The premise seems to be that black-on-white attacks are a enormous problem that is kept under wraps by a cowed liberal media that is too fearful of being portrayed as racists (this despite widespread media coverage of the alleged "knockout game" for example). It's a premise that is inherently unfalsifiable.