Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 The request was for hard to swallow legislation that passed as they got support for their submission before/after. I acknowledge bills were put forward that both supported (ie stimulus), the other needed for functioning gov't is compromising legislation for the more partisan aspects (eg. Cuts to welfare vs. Increase spending on education, etc.) Such as Clinton/Newt/PRWORA........another example of what is in the realm of the possible. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Such as Clinton/Newt/PRWORA........another example of what is in the realm of the possible. What did the democrats get for the work for welfare bill from a Repub. Senate/HOP? Other than the death knell for Gingrich. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 What did the democrats get for the work for welfare bill from a Repub. Senate/HOP? Other than the death knell for Gingrich. "Structure, meaning and dignity" for those on welfare? Quote
waldo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Well me in my disturbing brain connecting logic; 1) There are majority parts of the constitution that apply to "persons".....ie non-citizens and citizens alike. 2) USSC has declared that the right of habeas corpus (one of those "person" rights) applied to detainees even though they weren't on american soil. 3) Ipso facto direct detainees of America, are considered "persons" under the constitution, and should be guarateed the rights therein. 4) Torture/interrogation comes at a price. I suggest you with your Southwest ON might should suggest to the 'merican gov't to shoot them in the head on the battlefield. ooohhh, that's gonna burn, hey Shady! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 The constitution applies to American citizens. According to the Supreme Court it also applies to people America imprisons, much to the chagrin of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 "Structure, meaning and dignity" for those on welfare? Nice deflect. Did they receive increased funding, more open admission/eligibility, less ridicule from Repub.? Nope. Nope. Nope. Good compromise. Take this poisonous pill or this bitter pill......see compromise. Quote
Shady Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Well me in my disturbing brain connecting logic; 1) There are majority parts of the constitution that apply to "persons".....ie non-citizens and citizens alike. 2) USSC has declared that the right of habeas corpus (one of those "person" rights) applied to detainees even though they weren't on american soil. 3) Ipso facto direct detainees of America, are considered "persons" under the constitution, and should be guarateed the rights therein. 4) Torture/interrogation comes at a price. I suggest you with your Southwest ON might should suggest to the 'merican gov't to shoot them in the head on the battlefield. Right. So there aren't any more detainees right? What about gun rights? I want me some of them since your absurd declaration of the American constitution applying to non Americans. I want my guns! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) Nice deflect. Did they receive increased funding, more open admission/eligibility, less ridicule from Repub.? Nope. Nope. Nope. Good compromise. Take this poisonous pill or this bitter pill......see compromise. Did Clinton not have the power to veto the bill if it was such a $hit sandwich? Edited September 7, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Right. So there aren't any more detainees right? What about gun rights? I want me some of them since your absurd declaration of the American constitution applying to non Americans. I want my guns! Exactly.....our self-anointed U.S. constitutional expert would do well to include some U.S. history in such scholarly studies from America's Google. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Right. So there aren't any more detainees right? What about gun rights? I want me some of them since your absurd declaration of the American constitution applying to non Americans. I want my guns! Duh, just for your edification, they don't give guns to prisoners even if they was borned in the good ole USA. But they do have access to the constitution, and specifically HC. Of course if you don't agree you are welcome to take it up with the Supreme Court. I doubt they will listen though, you ain't a citizen. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Right. So there aren't any more detainees right? What about gun rights? I want me some of them since your absurd declaration of the American constitution applying to non Americans. I want my guns! As with many other bill rights...states can place administrative control to such if they choose, like prohibit inmates from possessing weapons......otherwise Cdn posession of weapons under 'merican jurisdiction is all aces.....have at 'er. Typical though of "your ilk" to not admit error. Enjoy. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Did Clinton not have the power to veto the bill if it was such a $hit sandwich? He did twice.....damn him for respecting the role of legislative bodies......what a monster. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 He did twice.....damn him for respecting the role of legislative bodies......what a monster. But not thrice... Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 But not thrice... <golf clap> Well served...well served</golf clap> Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 <golf clap> Well served...well served</golf clap> One would assume, if the legislation was bad (from a Dem POV), Clinton could have vetoed it yet again no? Why did Clinton choose to not to veto it? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 I admit we have far less passion for killing brown people than you do. USA USA USA 1 Canuckistan 0 History says otherwise.....Iraq...Somalia...Haiti....Libya. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 History says otherwise.....Iraq...Somalia...Haiti....Libya. Yeah but we usually wait until we have a UN resolution before we do such things, like Iraq 1. When we don't have that we tend not to, like Iraq 2. Much better for one's reputation ya' know? Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 One would assume, if the legislation was bad (from a Dem POV), Clinton could have vetoed it yet again no? Why did Clinton choose to not to veto it? ....probably being seen as an obstructionist president is worse than obstructionist congress for the polls....and presidential elections are not local. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 ....probably being seen as an obstructionist president is worse than obstructionist congress for the polls....and presidential elections are not local. Did Clinton/the Democrats benefit (in the polls) from the Bills passing? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 Did Clinton/the Democrats benefit (in the polls) from the Bills passing? No....this has much more political significance in Canada's government. Can't project that on American politics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Macadoo Posted September 7, 2014 Report Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) Did Clinton/the Democrats benefit (in the polls) from the Bills passing?Hard to say....why don't we ask FLA?....and the 98 midterms worked out as well as could be expected.....including the heave ho of Newt.....so.... Edited September 7, 2014 by Bob Macadoo Quote
jbg Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Posted September 7, 2014 I admit we have far less passion for killing brown people than you do. USA USA USA 1 Canuckistan 0 I don't care what the color of the person is. If he wants me dead I want him dead. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Posted September 8, 2014 I don't care what the color of the person is. If he wants me dead I want him dead. I understand why you want him dead but is it not important to know why he wants you dead in the first place? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Posted September 8, 2014 I understand why you want him dead but is it not important to know why he wants you dead in the first place?Why did Paul Bernardo and Karen Humolka (sp) want their victims dead? Or Pickton? Do you care? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Posted September 8, 2014 Why did Paul Bernardo and Karen Humolka (sp) want their victims dead? Or Pickton? Do you care? Yes. If you know the cause then you might be able to prevent similar things in the future. I know that if I knew somebody wanted me dead then I sure would like to know why because; 1. If I knew why somebody wanted to kill me I might change things so he/she changed their mind. 2. If I had the power I would change things so it doesn't happen again. 3. I would have an idea if there are others who also are intent on killing me. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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