jacee Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Also, the shell casings show that Brown was basically right on top of him when Wilson fired the last shots. Again, a link would help. . Quote
Hal 9000 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) I assume you mean Wilson? Yes a link to that please. . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense Edited December 2, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Again, a link would help. . Google it! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jacee Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Google it! I have tried, haven't found it so not sure where you got the info: How close was Wilson to Brown when he was shooting him? . Quote
eyeball Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 What does that have to do with the case that we're discussing?Trigger happiness. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Trigger happiness. Better happy than dead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 It tells me a gun wielding police officer chased an unarmed teenager at least 150 feet. A violent 6 foot five inch, 300 lb man, you mean? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 This whole thread illustrates what is wrong with this grand jury system, not that it might have reached the wrong conclusion but that it wasn't open and transparent. The result, 131 pages of conjecture, much of it based on individual bias. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Grand jury proceedings and bills to indict are purposely closed to such public scrutiny. Once bound over for trial, there is plenty of transparency. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Better happy than dead. Or rioting in the streets. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Grand jury proceedings and bills to indict are purposely closed to such public scrutiny. Once bound over for trial, there is plenty of transparency. That's fine if there is a trial. If there isn't, people are free to make up whatever they want. You haven't noticed? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 That's fine if there is a trial. If there isn't, people are free to make up whatever they want. You haven't noticed? So what ? Wilson was not indicted....tough bounce. U.S. jurisdictions do not indict people just because of negative public consequences. Haven't you noticed that ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 So what ? Wilson was not indicted....tough bounce. U.S. jurisdictions do not indict people just because of negative public consequences. Haven't you noticed that ? You have it backwards, the negative public consequences are due in large part to the lack of transparency. They might have happened anyway but the lack of openness leaves the system open to any BS people want to make up. It's a Star Chamber system really, without the power to convict. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 That's fine if there is a trial. If there isn't, people are free to make up whatever they want. You haven't noticed? What is the need for a trial? Did they not have one with this grand jury thing? Something is not quite clear to me. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 You have it backwards, the negative public consequences are due in large part to the lack of transparency. They might have happened anyway but the lack of openness leaves the system open to any BS people want to make up. It's a Star Chamber system really, without the power to convict. Again..so what ? Canada has trial publication bans too...so what ? Not sure what you are getting at here.....peace...order...and transparent grand juries ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Again..so what ? Canada has trial publication bans too...so what ? Not sure what you are getting at here.....peace...order...and transparent grand juries ? Exactly, and juries are just the tip of the iceberg. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 You have it backwards, the negative public consequences are due in large part to the lack of transparency. They might have happened anyway but the lack of openness leaves the system open to any BS people want to make up. It's a Star Chamber system really, without the power to convict. This is what I don't quite understand, what lack of transparency are we talking about? Most of the transcripts can be found online, there are pictures of the crime scene, we've seen autopsy diagrams, and heard forensic and blood evidence. Everything fits just as was reported by Wilson...and backed up by black witnesses. What evidence could there be that might be in favour of Michael Brown - besides the contradictory statements from Dorian Johnson. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 What this has come down to is willful ignorance on part of the liberals and black people, the same willful ignorance that let OJ off with double murder. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 What this has come down to is willful ignorance on part of the liberals and black people, the same willful ignorance that let OJ off with double murder. No, not unless you want to label the liberals as "white people". All "black people" do not support the protesters or the dearly departed. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Again..so what ? Canada has trial publication bans too...so what ? Not sure what you are getting at here.....peace...order...and transparent grand juries ? Yes we do and our prosecutors don't have to explain why they don't think there is enough evidence to convict. I'm not trying to say we couldn't have the same issue here. My point is just that the secrecy of the system was a major contributor to the results we are seeing. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 Yes we do and our prosecutors don't have to explain why they don't think there is enough evidence to convict. I'm not trying to say we couldn't have the same issue here. My point is just that the secrecy of the system was a major contributor to the results we are seeing. I don't think so....they were rioting even before the GJ decision. Screw them...that's not how the law works. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 This is what I don't quite understand, what lack of transparency are we talking about? Most of the transcripts can be found online, there are pictures of the crime scene, we've seen autopsy diagrams, and heard forensic and blood evidence. Everything fits just as was reported by Wilson...and backed up by black witnesses. What evidence could there be that might be in favour of Michael Brown - besides the contradictory statements from Dorian Johnson. Lets face it, the average Joe isn't going to read volumes of court transcripts. He will watch every minute of a televised proceeding. I don't know if I'm a big fan of television in courts but in this case, I think it might of been a good idea. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 I don't think so....they were rioting even before the GJ decision. Screw them...that's not how the law works. That was going to happen anyway but now you have a major national movement on your hands. It won't go away as quickly as the riots. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 The easiest thing in the world would've been for the grand jury to indict, they would have just pushed it off to some other group of people. As it is, I'm sure many of them worry for their own safety. We all knew that not indicting would be cause for riots and they made the decision anyway - I applaud that. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2014 Report Posted December 2, 2014 That was going to happen anyway but now you have a major national movement on your hands. It won't go away as quickly as the riots. Been there...done that. See "Occupy Movement". Life goes on..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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