Ferguson unrest

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Blowin smoke smallc:

Finally, when the grand jury decision was delivered, and prosecutor Bob McCulloch gave his remarks before the documents were released, he confirmed that Brown had died 153 feet away from the SUV.

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In Wilson's interview, he states that Brown ran 35 or 40 feet, then he gave chase. He obviously chased him about 100-120 feet before Brown turned around and came back. How far Brown was from the car is inconsequential, it's how far Brown was from Wilson that's relevant.

Just because the police don't respond to questions from Daily Kos, doesn't mean there's a cover-up.

[jacee]

Five or six feet.

Link?

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[jacee]

In Wilson's interview, he states that Brown ran 35 or 40 feet, then he gave chase. He obviously chased him about 100-120 feet before Brown turned around and came back. How far Brown was from the car is inconsequential, it's how far Brown was from Wilson that's relevant.

And how far was that?

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[eyeball]

Far enough away that there was clearly no need to keep pumping bullets into him.

So a three hundred pound guy bleeding from gunshot wounds is coming towards you, just back up. If you couldn't move faster than it took to keep a safe distance from that then you're probably too fat and out of shape to be a cop. If you're to scared to rationally see this you're not very good cop material. All of these things speak to a need for better higher quality cops not more of what we're used to.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nope...that's not how police officers are trained. The distance and closing rate for violent perps puts an officer or third party at risk much farther out than a few feet. The decision to use deadly force is not tempered by extraneous thoughts about physical fitness, the legacy of slavery, or "social justice".

[On Guard for Thee]

Not sure if anyone has seen the video of the shooting of the 12 yr old in Cleveland but it sure looks like an over reaction to me. For instance don't most police cars have loud speakers with which they could have offered him some suggestions before gunning him down?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854617/Cops-shot-12-year-old-Tamir-Rice-dead-holding-BB-gun-did-not-aid-watched-lie-agony-died-just-hours-later.html

[Smallc]

What does that have to do with the case that we're discussing?

[Shady]

Charles Barkley comes out in support of Darren Wilson.

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And how far was that?

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Brown says 8-10 feet. It appears that the GJ supported Browns story.

But, lets use some logic; If Brown ran 35-40 feet before Wilson gave chase and assuming they ran at about the same pace and blood was found 175 feet from the car, we can assume that when Brown stopped Wilson was approximately 140-150 feet from his police car when Brown turned around. Brown died approx. 153 feet from the police car. Wilson claims he took a few step backward as Brown was running toward him.

Common sense would dictate that Brown was anywhere between 10-20 feet from Wilson when the final shot was fired - depending on who ran faster and Wilson's reaction time to when he also stopped running. 20 feet is nothing when a person is already running, maybe a couple of seconds. At 10 feet, If Wilson had missed that final shot (or 2), Brown would've taken him down.

P.S - Yes, you'll ask for a link or proof, anything that helps keep your mind closed, but the fact is; credible eyewitnesses back-up Wilson. If they saw Wilson over 100 feet from Brown, when the final shots were fired, I think we'd be seeing an indictment.

[On Guard for Thee]

What does that have to do with the case that we're discussing?

It has to do with after Ferguson unrest you will likely see Cleveland unrest, and for the similar reasons.

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And how far was that?

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Also, the shell casings show that Brown was basically right on top of him when Wilson fired the last shots.

[Derek 2.0]

Common sense would dictate that Brown was anywhere between 10-20 feet from Wilson when the final shot was fired - depending on who ran faster and Wilson's reaction time to when he also stopped running. 20 feet is nothing when a person is already running, maybe a couple of seconds. At 10 feet, If Wilson had missed that final shot (or 2), Brown would've taken him down.

To add further to your hypothesis, the actual effective range of a handgun (when one is under duress) is 7 yards or under.........or ~20ish feet.

[On Guard for Thee]

Also, the shell casings show that Brown was basically right on top of him when Wilson fired the last shots.

And some of the shell casings were found farther away from the car than Brown's body. Impossible to tell what shots were fired when.

[Derek 2.0]

And some of the shell casings were found farther away from the car than Brown's body. Impossible to tell what shots were fired when.

That doesn't mean anything, dependent upon the officers sidearm, grip on the gun, the officers movement etc, shell casings could land over 20 feet (in any direction) from where they were ejected from the officer's gun.

[On Guard for Thee]

That doesn't mean anything, dependent upon the officers sidearm, grip on the gun, the officers movement etc, shell casings could land over 20 feet (in any direction) from where they were ejected from the officer's gun.

That's exactly my point. Location of shell casings means nothing here.

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That's exactly my point. Location of shell casings means nothing here.

It doesn't mean nothing. You people are hanging on this 150 feet thing without putting any actual thought into it - that's to be expected. So, ok even if you take the farthest shell casing away from the car, subtract 20 feet...what does that give you? If anything it strengthens my hypothesis, it shows that Brown made it past the farthest point in which Wilson chased - proving that Wilson had to actually back-off while Brown was coming toward him.

That proves that Wilson was not only in chase, but catching up. That could explain why Brown chose to stop and turn.

[On Guard for Thee]

It doesn't mean nothing. You people are hanging on this 150 feet thing without putting any actual thought into it - that's to be expected. So, ok even if you take the farthest shell casing away from the car, subtract 20 feet...what does that give you? If anything it strengthens my hypothesis, it shows that Brown made it past the farthest point in which Wilson chased - proving that Wilson had to actually back-off while Brown was coming toward him.

That proves that Wilson was not only in chase, but catching up. That could explain why Brown chose to stop and turn.

As you point out, all you have is a hypothesis, could be right, could be wrong. The underlying problem with this case is that the whole presentation was suspect. starting right at the chief prosecutor, and ending with the assistant that gave the final summation. Especially in this scenario they authorities should have striven to make the process squeaky clean, and they failed miserably.

[Derek 2.0]

It doesn't mean nothing. You people are hanging on this 150 feet thing without putting any actual thought into it - that's to be expected.

But of course, 150ft/50 yards is far beyond effective, accurate, range of a police issue pistol.......the entire meme that Officer Wilson engaged Brown at such distances, and hit Brown numerous times, is pure fantasy.

[Hal 9000]

As you point out, all you have is a hypothesis, could be right, could be wrong. The underlying problem with this case is that the whole presentation was suspect. starting right at the chief prosecutor, and ending with the assistant that gave the final summation. Especially in this scenario they authorities should have striven to make the process squeaky clean, and they failed miserably.

So, You're arguing the process wasn't squeaky clean - whatever! But do you argue any of the actual...facts? Michael Brown was 150 feet away from the car, shell casings were found farther than 150 feet - what does this logically tell you?

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So, You're arguing the process wasn't squeaky clean - whatever! But do you argue any of the actual...facts? Michael Brown was 150 feet away from the car, shell casings were found farther than 150 feet - what does this logically tell you?

It tells me a gun wielding police officer chased an unarmed teenager at least 150 feet.

[Smallc]

It has to do with after Ferguson unrest you will likely see Cleveland unrest, and for the similar reasons.

It would seem the two situations aren't at all similar.

[Smallc]

It tells me a gun wielding police officer chased an unarmed teenager at least 150 feet.

An unarmed teenager that fit the description of someone who had just committed a strong armed robbery, and then went on to assault said gun wielding police officer.

[Hal 9000]

It tells me a gun wielding police officer chased an unarmed teenager at least 150 feet.

Ok, at least now we can put to rest the distance between the police car and Brown. Now, because blood and shell casings were found at a distance farther than Browns body, can you also agree that Brown turned back so far as to make Officer Wilson back peddle?

[On Guard for Thee]

Ok, at least now we can put to rest the distance between the police car and Brown. Now, because blood and shell casings were found at a distance farther than Browns body, can you also agree that Brown turned back so far as to make Officer Wilson back peddle?

He may have turned, the reasons why are assumptive.

[Smallc]

He may have turned, the reasons why are assumptive.

And so is pretty much everything that you're saying. On top of that, your assumptions have far less evidence to back them up.