Ferguson unrest

[Black Dog]

The store security cameras are a police plant?

Who said such a thing? Don't be (more of) an idiot (than usual).

[Derek 2.0]

Who said such a thing? Don't be (more of) an idiot (than usual).

You suggested it was police damage control....that Brown might have knocked off the local corner store

[Black Dog]

You suggested it was police damage control....that Brown might have knocked off the local corner store

No I suggested the timing of this allegation is suspicious. If this encounter was part of a robbery investigation, why not say so outright? If Johnson was a suspect/accomplice, why was he not taken into custody or even questioned in connection with the robbery? Will the police offer any evidence to show Brown was the robber (such as the red hat worn by the suspect and the stolen merchandise)? Finally, what, if any, relevance does the claim that Brown may have walked off with $50 worth of cigars have to the shooting incident itself?

[Derek 2.0]

No I suggested the timing of this allegation is suspicious. If this encounter was part of a robbery investigation, why not say so outright? If Johnson was a suspect/accomplice, why was he not taken into custody or even questioned in connection with the robbery? Will the police offer any evidence to show Brown was the robber (such as the red hat worn by the suspect and the stolen merchandise)? Finally, what, if any, relevance does the claim that Brown may have walked off with $50 worth of cigars have to the shooting incident itself?

The timing was suspicious? The ~80 odd member local police force has been "busy"..........The video, from the media is saying, showed a 6'4" 290 pound black teen with a red bull cap........Also, the officer involved in the shooting has been treated for injuries in the local hospital, after being attacked by Brown..........I doubt Brown was shot for stealing penny cigars, but attacking a police officer attempting to question him over the robbery.

[Black Dog]

The timing was suspicious? The ~80 odd member local police force has been "busy"..........

They had time to prep a 19 page report on the robbery, but when it came time to mention it regarding the shooting incident, it just slipped their minds? Would have been fairly important, one would think.

The video, from the media is saying, showed a 6'4" 290 pound black teen with a red bull cap........

Uh huh. And?

Also, the officer involved in the shooting has been treated for injuries in the local hospital, after being attacked by Brown

Allegedly. We haven't seen any evidence thereof.

I doubt Brown was shot for stealing penny cigars, but attacking a police officer attempting to question him over the robbery.

If that was the case, why wasn't that the story from the get go?

[cybercoma]

Andrew Coyne just posted on Twitter that Ferguson Police charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them beat him. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

[scribblet]

The timing was suspicious? The ~80 odd member local police force has been "busy"..........The video, from the media is saying, showed a 6'4" 290 pound black teen with a red bull cap........Also, the officer involved in the shooting has been treated for injuries in the local hospital, after being attacked by Brown..........I doubt Brown was shot for stealing penny cigars, but attacking a police officer attempting to question him over the robbery.

The robbery changes everything including destroying the credibility of the witness who claimed Michael was shot for no reason. Plus the store owner will be a witness. The other 'witness' was involved in the robbery, but no doubt they will claim the video was ‘doctored’. We still need to see the pictures of the officer's beaten face and hear his side of the story as it still isn't clear as to why it was necessary to shoot him with his hands up.

A police report indicates that Brown was a “primary suspect” in the robbery that took place the day he was fatally shot. According to the report, Brown got physical with the convenience story employee over a box of cigars worth $48.99 he was trying to steal.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/15/state-troopers-walk-side-by-side-with-thousands-of-protesters-in-ferguson/

[guyser]

What militarization?

You may as well ask this on a sunny day....." What sun ? "

[Black Dog]

The robbery changes everything including destroying the credibility of the witness who claimed Michael was shot for no reason.

No. No it doesn't. The punishment for petty theft is not death. Also, if Brown's friend was an accomplice to the theft, why wasn't he detained for questioning or arrested for the crime?

Plus the store owner will be a witness. The other 'witness' was involved in the robbery, but no doubt they will claim the video was ‘doctored’.

There are multiple other witnesses who observed the shooting.

We still need to see the pictures of the officer's beaten face and hear his side of the story as it still isn't clear as to why it was necessary to shoot him with his hands up.

If the cops version of events were to be true, it still doesn't change anything about the systemic inequality of the justice system in the U.S., the issues around police militarization and so on and so forth. It just means we'll be able to move on until the next time an unarmed black male is shot by cops (which should be any minute now).

Edited August 15, 2014 by Black Dog

[GostHacked]

Huh ? You don't have to be armed to be legally shot and killed by the police.

You tell us. Or can you.

[cybercoma]

The robbery changes everything including destroying the credibility of the witness who claimed Michael was shot for no reason.

You don't murder an unarmed person for theft. Sorry. But only a sociopath would condone that. Edited August 15, 2014 by cybercoma

[Bonam]

Andrew Coyne just posted on Twitter that Ferguson Police charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them beat him. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

I think this illustrates that the whole situation has less to do with racism and more with a culture of lies, corruption, non-accountability, reckless use of force, incompetence, and criminality among the Ferguson police department. They might well be racists as well, but their problems run a lot deeper than that. The entire police department should be fired, to the last man, most of them likely charged with various crimes, and replaced with contractors from out of town, supervised by an external oversight body. The people currently on that force have clearly demonstrated a lack of character to be police officers.

[GostHacked]

No. No it doesn't. The punishment for petty theft is not death.

Correct, Madoff made off with hundreds of millions stolen from homeowners. He is sitting in a cell. Probably a nice one too. Maybe because it's because he is white, and this dead kid is black.

[GostHacked]

I think this illustrates that the whole situation has less to do with racism and more with a culture of lies,.......The people currently on that force have clearly demonstrated a lack of character to be police officers.

All while we are told these are isolated incidents, and not all police act this way. The actions by police seem to prove otherwise and that your notion of corruption is quite obvious.

[guyser]

I think this illustrates that the whole situation has less to do with racism and more with a culture of lies, corruption, non-accountability, reckless use of force, incompetence, and criminality among the Ferguson police department. They might well be racists as well, but their problems run a lot deeper than that. The entire police department should be fired, to the last man, most of them likely charged with various crimes, and replaced with contractors from out of town, supervised by an external oversight body. The people currently on that force have clearly demonstrated a lack of character to be police officers.

Damn right !

[scribblet]

You don't murder an unarmed person for theft. Sorry. But only a sociopath would condone that.

I don't know anyone who is condoning it, least of all me so quit with the insinuations.

[Mighty AC]

I don't know anyone who is condoning it, least of all me so quit with the insinuations.

Your comments about how the robbery changes everything suggest that you are making excuses for the handling of this situation. Even if being questioned about a robbery, shooting Brown in that situation was unacceptable. Plus, the fact that the robbery and Brown being a suspect was not mentioned in a report on the shooting suggests that the shooter was not aware of the petty theft. Don't you think the police would have much rather have framed the incident as a cop approaching a violent robbery suspect than a jaywalker?

[Black Dog]

Chief just confirmed the shooter didn't know Brown was a suspect in the theft. Back to square one.

[scribblet]

Your comments about how the robbery changes everything suggest that you are making excuses for the handling of this situation. Even if being questioned about a robbery, shooting Brown in that situation was unacceptable. Plus, the fact that the robbery and Brown being a suspect was not mentioned in a report on the shooting suggests that the shooter was not aware of the petty theft. Don't you think the police would have much rather have framed the incident as a cop approaching a violent robbery suspect than a jaywalker?

It did change everything, it made it legal for the cops to pull him over. I never excused the actual shooting, but we are all sitting here making statements without all the evidence.

Now, it appears that the cop didn't know about the victim being part of a robbery, so it changes back again to the beginning.

Incident report

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

Edited August 15, 2014 by scribblet

[dre]

So Brown was a suspect in a violent robbery of a corner store, shortly before the shooting ?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/

And the "star witness" in the shooting, Dorian Johnson, was also involved in the robbery?

Sure but the other witness is the cop, who is a MURDER suspect.

[guyser]

Sure but the other witness is the cop, who is a MURDER suspect.

Oh but wait, you forgot this...from the link...

Jackson said Wilson is a six-year veteran with no disciplinary action on his record.

:lol: as if that means didly squat.

[Black Dog]

Oh but wait, you forgot this...from the link...

:lol: as if that means didly squat.

Brown had no criminal record either.

[guyser]

Brown had no criminal record either.

Wanna bet who will have one when all this ends?

Im betting on the inabsentia guy.

[Shady]

Michael Brown was involved in a strong arm robbery. Which probably isn't his first instance of said activity. One rarely gets caught of the first time. The moral of the story: Don't commit crimes and you won't risk being fatally shot. It's pretty simple.

[Shady]

Brown had no criminal record either.

Big deal. Just means he's never been caught before. He's a crime robbing thug.