Ferguson unrest

[Big Guy]

To live in a secure society, one has to give up certain personal freedoms. We have the kind of society with the rule of law that expects members to cooperate with law enforcement. One of the freedoms we give up is the right to resist arrest.

[Argus]

His condition didn't appear to be bad, despite him telling them he couldn't breathe and subsequently dying because....get this....he couldn't breathe.

He didn't die because he couldn't breath. He had a heart attack.

[Argus]

Maybe, just maybe, if you are morbidly obese, more than a hundred pounds overweight, and suffering from a variety of health problems including breathing problems, and if you've been arrested some thirty times in the last few years, and if you are openly violating the law right in front of police officers, you really should refrain from resisting arrest.

It takes some effort to get banned after just 6 posts.

I looked him up and found five posts, all acceptable. I wonder what the sixth one was..

Edited December 17, 2014 by Argus

[Argus]

So since she's a black woman, we're supposed to accept her version at face value? Because black women surely couldn't be part of the thin blue line?

The whole text of this is the poor Black guy being abused by the evil racist system. Only it turns out the deputy chief who ordered the NYPD to crack down on selling cigarettes is Black, and the supervising officer at the scene was Black.

[Bonam]

The whole text of this is the poor Black guy being abused by the evil racist system. Only it turns out the deputy chief who ordered the NYPD to crack down on selling cigarettes is Black, and the supervising officer at the scene was Black.

They must be "self-hating" blacks

[eyeball]

Or maybe this really is an issue about cops gone wild that is being conflated with racism.

As I've said before, black parents are not the only ones having the Cop Talk with their kids.

I can't completely argue against the idea that Al Sharpton doesn't get it either.

[Black Dog]

The whole text of this is the poor Black guy being abused by the evil racist system. Only it turns out the deputy chief who ordered the NYPD to crack down on selling cigarettes is Black, and the supervising officer at the scene was Black.

Which has nothing to do with the system being racist.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Black Dog

[sharkman]

The whole text of this is the poor Black guy being abused by the evil racist system. Only it turns out the deputy chief who ordered the NYPD to crack down on selling cigarettes is Black, and the supervising officer at the scene was Black.

See now, those items can be ignored because they don't fit in with the vast conspiracy regarding systemic racism. Also, don't bring up the white perps being killed by black or latino cops, only black deaths count because the media ignores the other deaths.

[Black Dog]

See now, those items can be ignored because they don't fit in with the vast conspiracy regarding systemic racism.

If you think systemic racism is about some vast conspiracy, you don't understand systemic racism.

Also, don't bring up the white perps being killed by black or latino cops, only black deaths count because the media ignores the other deaths.

OK, let's talk about that. tell me all about this because I'm sure you have legitimate concerns right? Like, you're not just deflecting the issue to score points, right?

[sharkman]

Systemic racism doesn't exist. So from your point of view, yes, I don't "get" it. Recently Michelle Obama shared an experience where at a Target store a lady asked her if she could reach an item on the top shelf for her. Michelle calls that racism:

"I tell this story – I mean, even as the first lady – during that wonderfully publicized trip I took to Target, not highly disguised, the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to help her take something off a shelf. Because she didn't see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her. Those kinds of things happen in life. So it isn't anything new."

I'm not sure why white deaths don't matter, or why you automatically suggest it's an attempt at deflecting. I'm not trying to win a debate with you, either you can look at white deaths and ask why, or you excuse them as a debating technique I guess.

[Black Dog]

Systemic racism doesn't exist. So from your point of view, yes, I don't "get" it.

What leads you to that (wrong) conclusion?

Recently Michelle Obama shared an experience where at a Target store a lady asked her if she could reach an item on the top shelf for her. Michelle calls that racism:

Thanks for this completely irrelevant anecdote.

I'm not sure why white deaths don't matter, or why you automatically suggest it's an attempt at deflecting.

Because I don't think you have any interest at all in white deaths at the hands of police. I would have thought that was clear.

I'm not trying to win a debate with you, either you can look at white deaths and ask why, or you excuse them as a debating technique I guess.

Ask why what? Who is excusing them? I'm asking for more information on this phenomenon you totally legitimately have deep concerns with.

[sharkman]

Look, if you want some kind of debate, maybe you should take up chess. I really don't care what you want info on, try google.

[Black Dog]

Look, if you want some kind of debate, maybe you should take up chess.

If you don't want to discuss or debate things WHY ARE YOU ON A DISCUSSION BOARD? You want an echo chamber, maybe go somewhere else.

I really don't care what you want info on, try google.

Thanks for pretty much confirming that you don't give a tinker's damn about white folks killed by cops.

[sharkman]

I was on this board this morning responding to Argus, I thought that was clear since I WAS QUOTING HIM NOT YOU. I"ll wait now to see if he has anything to add.

[Black Dog]

I was on this board this morning responding to Argus, I thought that was clear since I WAS QUOTING HIM NOT YOU. I"ll wait now to see if he has anything to add.

Couple of things:

1. If you want to have a private conversation with another poster, there's a function for that called "private messages". If you put your blather out here for anyone to see, don't cry when someone responds to it.

2. Again, this is a discussion board. If you're looking for a place where everyone agrees with you and you don't have to confront the unpleasant reality that there are different worldviews, there's probably other boards out there for that. I'd recommend using this "google" you speak of to seek one out, for your sake, because it's clear you can't handle differing opinions or ideas.

[cybercoma]

Which has nothing to do with the system being racist.

But, I'm not racist. I have black friends.

[GostHacked]

But, I'm not racist. I have black friends.

That's what all racists say. /Sarcasm. I got nothing.

[sharkman]

Couple of things:

1. If you want to have a private conversation with another poster, there's a function for that called "private messages". If you put your blather out here for anyone to see, don't cry when someone responds to it.

2. Again, this is a discussion board. If you're looking for a place where everyone agrees with you and you don't have to confront the unpleasant reality that there are different worldviews, there's probably other boards out there for that. I'd recommend using this "google" you speak of to seek one out, for your sake, because it's clear you can't handle differing opinions or ideas.

Not interested, surely by now you must think you've one upped me, won the debate, whatever it is that gives you satisfaction in your visits here. Congrats.

Edited December 18, 2014 by sharkman

[Black Dog]

Not interested, surely by now you must think you've one upped me, won the debate, whatever it is that gives you satisfaction in your visits here. Congrats.

Nah, this was too easy to be satisfying. Like beating a quadriplegic in a foot race, or a 4 year old in arm wrestling. But if I helped you glean the slightest understanding into how message boards function, I guess that's something.

[Shady]

Which has nothing to do with the system being racist.

Which has nothing to do with the Garner or Brown incidents.

[GostHacked]

Which has nothing to do with the Garner or Brown incidents.

A tag line we been seeing as of late 'Black lives matter'. Racism has been trotted out by the media and government officials creating a division in these matters. This is what people here are referring to by 'systematic racism'. It's done by propaganda via media and government. If you hate Muslims, it's because the media and the government tell you to hate them. Those without critical thought are going to get emotionally swept up in this, which perpetuates the racism and division.

[cybercoma]

Right. It's the media and government creating the divisions, as if they weren't already there. Ignoring that these divisions exist is a privilege that many people don't have. The media shedding light on those divisions isn't creating them, but exposing them and putting it under right before the eyes of those who keep trying to remain blissfully unaware of them.

[Black Dog]

Which has nothing to do with the Garner or Brown incidents.

What has nothing to do with Garner and Brown?

[cybercoma]

What has nothing to do with Garner and Brown?

Systemic racism.

[Black Dog]

Systemic racism.

I assumed that's what he meant, but that would be a really stupid thing to say, so I was hoping there was something else there.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Black Dog