Canada should be giving aid to the Yazidi who are starving to death be

[Moonlight Graham]

How the heck can you not want to help these people after seeing this rescue mission? Look at how desperate they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ0JXn7gzaM

[GostHacked]

That's all well and good, but the Kurds alone are not capable of defeating ISIS.

Let's also add that the USA have not been able to defeat Al-Queda yet.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada will save the day.....humanitarian aid...soft power...peacekeepers....honest brokering....you just wait. It's gonna happen any day now.

[Smallc]

The above is not relevant to the discussion in any way, and serves only to inflame. Let's keep the posting on topic please.

[bush_cheney2004]

The above is not relevant to the discussion in any way, and serves only to inflame. Let's keep the posting on topic please.

It is very relevant given the stated foreign policy actions of Canada's government. Walk the talk.....instead of worrying about what other nations are/are not doing.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1499463/canadas-yazidi-community-begs-stephen-harper-for-help-in-iraq/

Edited August 14, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Smallc]

Again, not related to the topic.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again, not related to the topic.

The topic is what CANADA should be doing. To date...it hasn't done much except pledge some money to Iraq. France...Turkey..U.S.A...and others have done far more. Try to stay on topic please.

Edited August 14, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Rue]

Rue your insulting condescension that I have no idea of what's going on is an example your assuming. Don't assume it makes an ass out of u and me.

I've been all through Turkey and Kurdistan including in Iraq and visited the Yazidi at their most sacred sites actually living with them for some time. I also spent a number of days staying at the house of one of the top authors and experts on the Yazidi and Kurdistan picking their brain on the subject, and have read all their books on the subject and many by others.

Please source that Erdogan is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as per your claim.

You find me insulting? Lol. Well hang on, I am not done. I do not believe you have been to Kurdistan or picked any Kurd or Yazidi's brain.

Now you want me to provide you proof that Erdogan is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood or the US does not support Egypt?

Lol.

[guyser]

I do not believe you have been to Kurdistan or picked any Kurd or Yazidi's brain.

Ha...reminds me of someone who claimed to be a lawyer and couldnt spell half the legal terms he us........Oh wait..sorry. Please do carry on.

[G Huxley]

"You find me insulting? Lol. Well hang on, I am not done. I do not believe you have been to Kurdistan or picked any Kurd or Yazidi's brain."

What difference does your opinion make to anything in the world? The Yezidi on Sinjar have been saved now, and you're still just an asshole.

"Now you want me to provide you proof that Erdogan is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood or the US does not support Egypt?"

You said Erdogan was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now you're trying to shift your previous quote around. Let's see evidence of his membership as to your absurd claim.

You can also provide evidence that the US does not support Egypt starting with evidence that the 600 million dollars it just gave to the Egyptian government and Apache helicopters it sold them were not real afterall.

Edited August 15, 2014 by G Huxley

[Rue]

Huxley your calling me an asshole is what I would expect.

In regards to your comments about Egypt you show exactly why I won't waste too much time on this topic other than post this site:

http://www.aucegypt.edu/GAPP/casar/outreach/Documents/Full%20report-%20all%203%20parts.docx

The difference between us is I try read what Egyptians say about their current relationship with the US. Unlike you I don't take an alleged expenditure like the one you presented without reference and infer from it anything other than it was a treaty left over from a time when the US did have strong ties with Egypt.

Also I did not deny at any time the US has had a military exchange with Egypt. What I do challenge, is that this military exchange does not automatically infer a strong relationship as you are trying to do, and don't play games with me and try say I denied something I never did.

As for the military aid many of us are aware the US in retaliation to throwing Morsi out, tried to punish Egypt by suspending military aid.

Obama blew it. He alienated one of the stongest opponents of terrorism and Muslim extremism in the Middle East turning on Egypt after Morsi's disposal. He was silent when Morsi called on the people of Egypt to attack coptic Christians.

Now as for your trying to engage me over Erdogan and playing semantics as to whether he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood or a supporter, got news for you- and you would know that if you actually picked the brain of a Kurd or Yazdi or member of the Muslim Brotherhood-he was in fact welcomed warmly by its leader, called a brother by its leader repeatedly and provides safe haven to thousands of Muslim Brotherhood members and his party has direct ties and membership with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan oftem uses a hand signal in public to show his support for the Muslim Brotherhood. I am surprised your Kurd friends did not tell you that.

Say now did the Kurds tell you about that “Rabia” hand signal that shows solidarity with Muslim Brotherhood protestors that the Egyptian government cracked down on.?

You do remmember that speech where Erdogan blamed Israel for the Brotherhood’s loss of power and said he was reclaiming Turkey's place as the guardian of the region’s Muslims in direct response to the Muslim Brotherhood's call for the resurrection of the Muslim Caliphate in a l of the Middle East....of course you do...you picked the brains of the Kurds who along with the Yazidi are considered infidel like the Jews and Shiite Muslims and the Zoroastreans, Bahaiis, Christians, (especially those Coptics), Buddists, Zoroastreans, Berbers, Druze, Assyrians, should I go on? No no. You know all that.

What the Kurds did not tell you Ankara is now the centre for the Muslim Brotherhood’s international organization?

You are aware that Hamas has a command post in Turkey. Sure you are. The Kurds told you.

Say now do you want to deny Turkey supports Hamas against Egypt and Israel and that Egypt and Israel have turned reluctantly from the US because of its choosing to side with Erdogan?

How does someone who picked the brains of Kurds and Yazidi not know the Kurds are supported by Israel and Turkey despises the Kurds and the Kurds have repeatedly complained about Turkish support for the Muslim Brotherhood?

Oh wait, you want to ask me questions? How about you tell me how it is Erdogan openly supports Jabhat al-Nusra?

Lol.

When you picked those brains of the Kurds did they tell you the co-chairman of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party, Saleh Muslim, believes that Turkey helps Islamist fighters by allowing their border crossings to operate and even clearing pathways of mines and barbed wires for them.

Say did you know only five percent of Turks view Hamas favorably, while 73% view it unfavorably.

Yah the Kurds told you that.

Edited August 15, 2014 by Rue

[-TSS-]

In case anyone is gullible: There is nothing co-incidental about the turmoil in Iraq. The invasion and the toppling of the regime 11 years ago was meant to drive the country into turmoil.

[Big Guy]

Back to the thread. That "problem" of tens of thousands stranded on the mountain is no longer there;

"But a scouting mission by U.S. military team found fewer Yazidis on the mountain than expected, prompting Pentagon officials to say that a rescue was no longer needed. They speculated that airstrikes by U.S. aircraft on militant positions around the mountain had created safe corridors for many of the Yazidis to get to safety."

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/08/15/canadian_transport_planes_joining_military_effort_in_iraq.html

[Rue]

The day of that report 80 Yazidis wre massacered and the genocide continues. The mountain site is only part of a far more complex issue.

The US is now openly supporting Erdogan and Hamas against Israel, while apparently fighting ISIS,Turkey's ally and who Turkey openly finances and supports in Syria and provides head quarters with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in Ankara.

The US with one side of its mouth supports the disposing of the Ukraine President by Ukrainians, but is against the disposing of Morsi in Egypt who openly called for and incited the massacre of Coptic Christians in Egypt while saying the genocide of Yazidi is unacceptable but has done nothing in regards to the terror in Nigeria, Libya and Sudan against Christians.

This is a man who chastises Putin over the Ukraine and says Merkel of Germany is a two face for not being tough with Putin then in the next breath sends aid to anti ISIS forces financed and directed by Russia and Iran in Iraq and this after allowing Putin to shove his hand up Obama's butt over Syria and twist.

Hey Big Guy I have travelled to the US and picked the brains of Americans. Problem is they all know Bush-Chaney and reminded me Canada has no navy and a crap ball team. Sarcastic people.

By the way. I do not need to pick the brains of Israelis. I can tell you this. They understand Muslim extremists and the Brotherhood behind ISIS and Hamas while Obama flips and flops about telling them to expose themselves to unsafe borders with Hamas and for that matter Fatah on the West Bank.

Don't need to pick their brains or the brains of Coptic Christians, Zoroastreans,Bahaiis, Muslims of the wrong perceived sect, feminists, gays, trade unionists, Southern Sudanese,Fillipinoes, Pakistanis, Afghanis Nigerians, Kurds, Yazidi, Assyrians, Berbers, Druze, Buddists, Hindus to know why ISIS is doing what is doing and why this genocide is just one of a continuing series of genocides by Muslim extremists,

Regards,

Zelda Goldfarb

Edited August 17, 2014 by Rue

[Smallc]

The topic is what CANADA should be doing. To date...it hasn't done much except pledge some money to Iraq. France...Turkey..U.S.A...and others have done far more. Try to stay on topic please.

I'm wondering why you've been so silent on this:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/rcaf-aircraft-in-cyprus-ready-to-transport-military-equipment-into-iraq

Edited August 17, 2014 by Smallc

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm wondering why you've been so silent on this:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/rcaf-aircraft-in-cyprus-ready-to-transport-military-equipment-into-iraq

I haven't been silent, once PM Harper decided to follow the lead dogs. See the other Iraq crisis thread.

So what took so long ? Anyway, thanks for getting back on topic.

[Smallc]

This story is days old. I simply wondered why you hadn't brought the new facts to light.

[G Huxley]

So Rue I see you've defaulted on your claim that Erdogan is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Putz.

Edited August 18, 2014 by G Huxley

[PIK]

Do you understand how racist your comment is? Do you know any palestinians?

Who is a Palestine??

[PIK]

How the heck can you not want to help these people after seeing this rescue mission? Look at how desperate they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ0JXn7gzaM

If the jews were involved every actor and lefty would be screaming ,but since they can't blame this on the jews......

[Rue]

So Rue I see you've defaulted on your claim that Erdogan is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Putz.

Oh look whose trying to bait moi again. Oooooooh. Putz. hah. The tactic aint working whatever name you use Moe. I'd recognize that syntax anywhere. Lol.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/alarabiya-studies/2013/10/14/Turkey-s-relationship-with-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html

https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AhS5w4kKxsRM.3FSfxr2Y6ot17V_?p=erdogan+and+the+Muslim+brotherhood&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-203&fp=1

[Rue]

Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser

Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference

Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council

Imam Mohamed Magid – Islamic Society of North America

Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships

Teh above are current advisors to Obama on the Middle East and shape his policy that is pro Muslim Brotherhood, pro Hamas and therefore pro Erdogan.

But Huxley knew that speakingt o his Kurd friends.

Her also knows that Obamas' half-brother. Malik Obama is the executive secretary of the Islamic Da’wa Organization (IDO).

Right Huxley? ..and ou knew this entity was founded by Hassan al-Turabi, the Sudanese butcher of Christians in Southern Sudan and head of , the National Islamic Front in sudan an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yes of course you knew al-Turabi was able to arange protection of Osama Bin Laden, when he was in Sudan.

The Yazidi, yes I know they told you Malik overseas the Muslim Brotherhood’s international investments.

Those Kurds, they told you of course that Malik Obama and Omar al-Bashir, Sudan’s brutal tyrant President, who is wanted by the International Criminal Court on charges of genocide and other crimes against humanity for slaughtering and engaging in the genocide of black Christians have a direct connection..

Say now. Did they tell you Malik Obama and al-Bashir were both speakers at a 2010 IDO conference in Khartoum along with Hassan al-Turabi and Suar Al Dahab, Malik’s boss at the IDO? You know Al Dahab, who is a known associate of Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas Prime Minister, and Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s spiritual leader.

Say its a small world isn't it.

[G Huxley]

Rue neither of your links showed Erdogan to be a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. I consider that an unintentional admission that you were wrong, but can't admit it. Don't worry everyone else here sees it how it is.

[Keepitsimple]

Rue neither of your links showed Erdogan to be a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. I consider that an unintentional admission that you were wrong, but can't admit it. Don't worry everyone else here sees it how it is.

Uh......not everyone.....if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and is in the middle of a flock of ducks......chances are it's a duck. Stop being anal.....Rue has made his point. Here in Canada, people may not be members of the Liberal or Conservative parties - but many are certain to identify themselves as Liberal or Conservative.

[Rue]

Lol I live in a world where Erdogan is not supported by the Muslim Brotherhood who refer to him as a "brother". Know why? He has no i.d. card.

Oy and gevalt.