dre Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 Oh! Great point. We can't trust anything anyone says unless we've seen it with our own eyes or unless the Mountie himself tells us what happened. Thats more or less true. We definately need all this activity to be recorded. Its cheap to do, and proven effective. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
AngusThermopyle Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2009/02/how_strong_is_a_chimpanzee.html Just a quick point jbg. Humans are only almost as strong as Chimps if you consider less than half as strong to be almost. By my standards that doesn't equate to almost as strong, but thats just me. Now, just my opinion but given what is known so far I'd say the cop overreacted by a huge measure. It seems that this is the order of the day now though. Everyday we hear about cops shooting people, dogs, cats, anything that appears in front of them actually. Or so it seems anyway. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
dre Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 That Mountie should be fire for not shooting to kill. What has become of our once great law enforcement agencies? WOW! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Keepitsimple Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Did anyone actually read the article - clearly, it's not as cut and dried as this thread has discussed so far: After being shot by an RCMP officer this weekend, Evan Cromarty was released from hospital and taken into custody Tuesday. Jody Ostapiw, Evan’s lawyer, said he is facing several charges, including aggravated assault, one charge for breaking and entering, four charges of uttering threats as well as some weapons charges. Ostapiw told CBC News these charges stem from an incident at Norway House. “He's anxious to return to the community in part just to let the community know he's okay,” she said. “That's very important to him at this point.” Ostapiw said her client will try to get bail. Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/norway-house-man-shot-by-rcmp-taken-into-custody-1.2712947 Edited July 24, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
guyser Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 Did anyone actually read the article - clearly, it's not as cut and dried as this thread has discussed so far:Please tell us what we missed. So far I think we have it spot on. But I am all ears..... Quote
cybercoma Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 WOW! wow, what? Criminals should be killed so they don't commit crimes again. Quote
The_Squid Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Posted July 25, 2014 Did anyone actually read the article - clearly, it's not as cut and dried as this thread has discussed so far: Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/norway-house-man-shot-by-rcmp-taken-into-custody-1.2712947 What did we miss? Are people with warrants allowed to be shot on sight? Quote
Wilber Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 What did we miss? Are people with warrants allowed to be shot on sight? What did we miss? Are people with warrants allowed to be shot on sight? Among other things, the guy was wanted on four counts of uttering threats and weapons charges. Maybe not enough to get him shot in this particular circumstance but not exactly jay walking and more than enough for an officer to assume he could be dangeous. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
cybercoma Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 What did we miss? Are people with warrants allowed to be shot on sight? He was a threat to the police and the rest of society. The cops did you a favour by trying to kill this scumbag and you have the nerve to question their judgment? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 He was a threat to the police and the rest of society. The cops did you a favour by trying to kill this scumbag and you have the nerve to question their judgment? You should use the sarcasm emoticon. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Seems Cyber is having fun being over the top these days. That or he is off his meds. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 I listened to Justice Iacobucci today laying out his reccomendations for the TPS after all that has gone wrong there in recent history. I don't think the brightest people in the world, by and larger, choose to become cops and yet we give them a lot of power-and guns. Hopefully these reccomendations will be put into effect and we can avoid in future the nasty stuff we have seen out of the US, and which seems to be migrating this way. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Good job....that's one less perp to cross the border and commit crimes in the U.S., traffic illegal drugs, try to blow up LAX, etc., etc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Good job....that's one less perp to cross the border and commit crimes in the U.S., traffic illegal drugs, try to blow up LAX, etc., etc. Great point! These are the kinds of people that make all of us unsafe. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 26, 2014 Report Posted July 26, 2014 Good job....that's one less perp to cross the border and commit crimes in the U.S., traffic illegal drugs, try to blow up LAX, etc., etc. That's funny. Naw I don't think you have to worry about us coming over the border and stealing jobs from your criminals. You guys have got us beat all to hell in that dept. Quote
PIK Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 I always thought cops were to protect the citizens, where now it seem the cops kill the civilians to protect themselves. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Big Guy Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I always thought cops were to protect the citizens, where now it seem the cops kill the civilians to protect themselves. I am not sure what point you are making. If a cop feels somebody's life is in danger then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. If a cop feels his life is threatened then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. Would you expect him/her to act in any other way? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bob Macadoo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) I am not sure what point you are making. If a cop feels somebody's life is in danger then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. If a cop feels his life is threatened then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. Would you expect him/her to act in any other way? Certainly not, I think the only debate here is the moving target of "life is in danger" as described in that South Park clip. Are police hypersensitive today due to;a - media coverage/bias towards a "violent public" they must deal with. b - alpha adrenaline rush from militarized equipment. I felt "stronger" putting on footbal gear....I equate it to kevlar, etc. c - an underlying strain of racial bias.....again promoted by societal influence. I don't know a lick about Ferguson but they call it a suburb.....I find that one of the more disturbing aspects. Edited August 19, 2014 by Bob Macadoo Quote
PIK Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I am not sure what point you are making. If a cop feels somebody's life is in danger then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. If a cop feels his life is threatened then he acts accordingly with deadly force if required. Would you expect him/her to act in any other way? Like the guy on the subway in TO? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Big Guy Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Like the guy on the subway in TO? I do not know the circumstances. Did the cop feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger? If he did then the shooting was warranted. If he did not feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger then the shooting was not warranted. I do not know what was in his mind and/or what situation led to it. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
guyser Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I do not know the circumstances. Did the cop feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger?Yes, evidently the cop was afraid of his shadow and the harm it could do to him. I do not know what was in his mind and/or what situation led to it.Nothing was in his mind, thats the problem. Give a moron a gun and this is what we get. Quote
PIK Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I do not know the circumstances. Did the cop feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger? If he did then the shooting was warranted. If he did not feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger then the shooting was not warranted. I do not know what was in his mind and/or what situation led to it.You have never heard abouty that. Google police shooting on subway and see when they scream at the guy alone in the subway to drop the knife and they shoot him 8 times. He was inside and they were all outside ,they could have waited him out.Nobody was in danger. Now the kid is dead and the cop is going to jail. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
GostHacked Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I do not know the circumstances. Did the cop feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger? If he did then the shooting was warranted. If he did not feel that his or somebody else's life was in danger then the shooting was not warranted. I do not know what was in his mind and/or what situation led to it. Go check the videos regarding that incident, as it is really telling in my view. Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 LOL ok then... In 2003 someone took my dad at gun point. He was high on pills. My dad hit him over and over with the gun until his skull was exposed and the barrel was bent. It did nothing. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 There was that shooting in vancouver where the guy was clearly crawling on his hands and knees when the cops shot him. There was also a police shooting in Stanley park (I think it was) where the guy was no real threat, and lets not forget the airport tazering. They just have the use the "beaten spouse" excuse, "I was afraid for my life". Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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