dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Now you see how that works. Muslims have Muslim states with Muslim law. Jews? What them have a Jewish state. No no Only Muslims. Well ok the Hindus can have India. Ok wait, England is an Anglican state. On wait the Vatican is a Catholic state as is Ireland, many of the South American nations. Oh and you know those Bhuddists, they seem to think they have some affiliation with the state of Thailand. But hey oh wait, those Bhuddists in Nepal, well at least they were crushed. Yes so you see its simple.Muslims can have Muslim states. Jews no no no no no.When Muslims impose sharia law on their non Muslims and this means treating them as dhimmi, i.e., second class citizens not capable ofowning land, testifying in court,engaging in business with a Muslim unless they use an intermediary Muslim to talk for them and of course pay that Muslim, oh well come on that's not apartheid. Oh god, not this again. Neither Israel or a future Palestine need to recognize each others state religions. They just need to respect their borders, nothing more. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Boges Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 I think priority one for Israel is to deal with the guys firing rockets at the airport when Air Canada flights are trying to land. Quote
iolo Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Master races are entitled to murder everyone else, as Hitler made evident. Heil Netenyahu! Quote
Big Guy Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) So there we have it Big Guy. Its black and white. Israel is not allowed to fight back and prevent missiles from being shot down and its not endangered and at war unless it agrees to close its airport. Yep that makes perfect sense. Did it ever dawn on you that nations at war can and do leave their airports open? Are you that absurd? Ok so let me get this straight,London during world war two was not in danger because its flights continued even as London was bombed. What got into your head that Israel or any nation at war can not leave its airports open and if it does, it means its not at war or being endangered? What a foolish thing to state. Can you please at least give a moment of thought to such a contention before you write it. The fact that Hamas has not been successful in getting a missile in at the Tel Aviv airport does not mean they haven't tried. Israel is paying a fortune to maintain an Iron Dome defense system. Each day 34'sof its population every ten minutes or so are forced to head to bomb shelters and you claim there's no anger because the airport remains open? Gevalt. I give my posts a lot of thought - thank you. I also am not cheerleading or rooting for either side just stating my observations of what I believe is happening on the ground. Either the sewer pipe rockets from the PKKRS are a major threat to Israel (and the airports are part of Israel I believe) and warrant an invasion of Gaza and the killing of thousands of civilians ... or they are not. You can't have it both ways. If you are equating the London blitz to the bombing of Gaza then I do not disagree with you and there are currently no airplanes using those airports in Gaza. And that Iron Dome system that Israel and the USA have developed is very impressive and keeps knocking out those rockets from the PKKRS - and that being the case, why invade Gaza and kill all those people? Shalom - or Shalom soon I hope. Edited July 25, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Air Canada flights are the least of Israel's concerns.....they are finding tunnel infrastructure that rivals anything seen during the Vietnam War, medium range Iranian rockets, and enough stores to sustain a prolonged conflict. The missiles are smuggled in as smaller components. Looks like construction resources that could build homes or schools were diverted to the tunnels. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Master races are entitled to murder everyone else, as Hitler made evident. Heil Netenyahu! Huh? Quote
Bonam Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Rue: maybe people would give you the time of day if you learned to write more concisely, used proper spelling and grammar, and actually had a coherent thought embedded somewhere (anywhere!) in your word-barf posts. But I suspect we'll see lasting peace in the Middle East before you can manage something like that. Rue's posts are long but they contain plenty of coherent thought. You should read them and learn more about the conflict than the 3 second sound bites that the news media presents. Quote
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Rue's posts are long but they contain plenty of coherent thought. You should read them and learn more about the conflict than the 3 second sound bites that the news media presents. You learn an extremely biased, one-sided take... but thats ok. I might read them if he could organize them better, and condense his thoughts into a post instead of these long winded diatribes of disconnected sentences. In any case it IS interesting to have the opinion of a militant pro Israeli zealot, to counter some of the similarly zealous pro palestinian posters we have here. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 You learn an extremely biased, one-sided take... but thats ok. I might read them if he could organize them better, and condense his thoughts into a post instead of these long winded diatribes of disconnected sentences. In any case it IS interesting to have the opinion of a militant pro Israeli zealot, to counter some of the similarly zealous pro palestinian posters we have here. Rue is tripping into Oleg Bach territory now. But I do agree with you, it does balance things out somewhat. Quote
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Israel is maintaining a military blockade. Thats a blatant act of war, so no... i wouldnt say they gave them "pretty much what they wanted". There was no blockade until they elected Hamas and fired rockets into Israel, just like there was no wall before they started blowing up pizza shops and buses in Israel. Cause ---> effect. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 You learn an extremely biased, one-sided take... but thats ok. I might read them if he could organize them better, and condense his thoughts into a post instead of these long winded diatribes of disconnected sentences. In any case it IS interesting to have the opinion of a militant pro Israeli zealot, to counter some of the similarly zealous pro palestinian posters we have here. Yeah, pretend you can't understand the crazy rant and then disregard it as a diatribe - that's easier than looking at his points and thinking...and, way easier than actually back checking his points and coming back with a mature rebuttal. I understood it completely. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Thats an interesting point... they arent... and settlement building has not stopped, and Israel refuses to negotiate with Abas. Fact is nothing the palestians did would change how Israel treats them. Because this isnt about security, its about the aquisition of vital resources. They aren't bombing the hell out of the West Bank so I don't get how you say nothing changes how Israel treats them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 They aren't bombing the hell out of the West Bank so I don't get how you say nothing changes how Israel treats them. Not bombing it, but they are gobbling it up a little bit at a time to serve the interests of a bunch of yahoos who have more in common with their counterparts in Hamas than mainstream Israeli society. Quote
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Israeli airstrike hits school that housed displaced civilians run by UN. Kills 16. Wounds 200. UN was trying to negotiate a ceasefire in the area with Israel to give them time to evacuate the women and children. Israel uses a bomb to emphatically say "no deal". http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israeli-strike-un-school-gaza-kills-women-children Why do you care? That's an honest question. I don't understand the fixation so many have for this. An estimated 1700 people have died in Syria this week, most of them civilians, and not one of you people so desperately wringing your hands over every casualty in Gaza seems to give a damn about them. So why? 600 dead in Gaza = mass demonstrations around the world. 100,000 dead in Syria = yawn, zzzzzzz. snore. What, I wonder, could possibly be the difference which would so energize the world's lefties in their despair over the plight of Gazans when they evidently couldn't care less about the people next door in Syria. Hmmmm... I wonder what it could be... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Not bombing it, but they are gobbling it up a little bit at a time to serve the interests of a bunch of yahoos who have more in common with their counterparts in Hamas than mainstream Israeli society. Maybe, but I'm pretty sure if they could ever get a reasonably cooperative government on the other side that wanted to negotiate independence without impossible obstacles like Jerusalem and the Right of Return they'd be willing to give that all back. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Yeah, pretend you can't understand the crazy rant and then disregard it as a diatribe - that's easier than looking at his points and thinking...and, way easier than actually back checking his points and coming back with a mature rebuttal. I understood it completely. If you understood that word salad of strawman arguments, nonsequiters, personal attacks, and just random words, I suggest contacting your physician as you may be having a stroke. Quote
Black Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Maybe, but I'm pretty sure if they could ever get a reasonably cooperative government on the other side that wanted to negotiate independence without impossible obstacles like Jerusalem and the Right of Return they'd be willing to give that all back. You're assuming of course they're remotely interested in seeing such a thing come to pass. Any government that makes dismantling the settlements a feature of a peace plan would quickly find itself the government no longer. As for "impossible obstacles," putting up those kinds of preconditions are just as much a bad faith gesture as the steadfast refusal of the other side to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, only with actual material consequences. Quote
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 There was no blockade until they elected Hamas and fired rockets into Israel, just like there was no wall before they started blowing up pizza shops and buses in Israel. Cause ---> effect. No sorry thats just not true. The blockade was an attempt to weaken Hama politically after the Gaza war, and to replace international sanctions that had been in place since early 1996. You can go and read about the sequence of events yourself. In any case, a military blockade is an act of war. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 ....What, I wonder, could possibly be the difference which would so energize the world's lefties in their despair over the plight of Gazans when they evidently couldn't care less about the people next door in Syria. Hmmmm... I wonder what it could be... It is interesting that thousands of other nationals can die in other chronic regional conflicts without a care or plethora of posts. I wonder what the difference is..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 They aren't bombing the hell out of the West Bank so I don't get how you say nothing changes how Israel treats them. None of their grievances have been addressed, and settlement building has increased. Thats how. Fact is the very last thing Israel wants is a moderate palestinian authority that stops violence against Israel. That would make it exceedingly difficult for Israel to justify the ongoing occupation and result in pressure for them to pull out.... which they cant do because they are dependant on resources that they plunder the west bank. The whole place is a gigantic network of wells, pumping stations, and pipelines that supplies most of Israels water supply (both the mountain aquifiers in the west bank, and water from Lake Tiberius). Meanwhile palestinians cant drill a well on their own land to grow food without permissions from the IDF. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 No sorry thats just not true. The blockade was an attempt to weaken Hama politically after the Gaza war, and to replace international sanctions that had been in place since early 1996. You can go and read about the sequence of events yourself. In any case, a military blockade is an act of war. Then let them attack Egypt. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 It is interesting that thousands of other nationals can die in other chronic regional conflicts without a care or plethora of posts. I wonder what the difference is..... Places like Syria aren't democracies with whom are countries are closely aligned and with whom we maintain close relations? Quote
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 Maybe, but I'm pretty sure if they could ever get a reasonably cooperative government on the other side that wanted to negotiate independence without impossible obstacles like Jerusalem and the Right of Return they'd be willing to give that all back. Zero chance of Israel giving it back no matter who is in charge. It needs the water. Water is considered as a national resource of utmost importance. Water is vital to ensure the population's well-being and quality of life and to preserve the rural-agricultural sector. Israel has suffered from a chronic water shortage for years. In recent years however, the situation has developed into a crisis so severe that it is feared that by the next summer it may be difficult to adequately supply municipal and household water requirements. The current cumulative deficit in Israel's renewable water resources amounts to approximately 2 billion cubic meters, an amount equal to the annual consumption of the State. The deficit has also lead to the qualitative deterioration of potable aquifer water resources that have, in part, become either of brackish quality or otherwise become polluted. Here are their potentional water resources... Resource Replenishable Quantities (MCM/year) The Coastal Aquifer 320 The Mountain Aquifer 370 Lake Kinneret 700 Additional Regional Resources 410 Total Average 1,800 Access to both the Mountain Aquifier, and the Kinneret Basin is secured by occupation. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 It is interesting that thousands of other nationals can die in other chronic regional conflicts without a care or plethora of posts. I wonder what the difference is..... Man this stupid question has been asked and answered so many times. When its answered (and its really easy to answer) you guys ABANDON THREAD!!! Then a few weeks later you trott this idiocy out again! If you want an answer to that question why dont you go back and read the answers you have already been given dozens of times before? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted July 25, 2014 Report Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Zero chance of Israel giving it back no matter who is in charge. It needs the water. Here are their potentional water resources... Resource Replenishable Quantities (MCM/year) The Coastal Aquifer 320 The Mountain Aquifer 370 Lake Kinneret 700 Additional Regional Resources 410 Total Average 1,800 Access to both the Mountain Aquifier, and the Kinneret Basin is secured by occupation. Weve already discussed this at length dre, and I showed you that the cost to get all the needed water from desalination would be an order of magnitude lower than the cost of occupation. So your water argument simply makes no sense. Israel gets water from the wb because it's there anyway, for what it sees as necessary security reasons. If those security reasons went away, then Israel could pull out, and gets all the water it needs far more cheaply. So you can stop repeatedly making this argument. Edited July 25, 2014 by Bonam Quote
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