Omar Khadr Suing And Being Sued

[Shady]

Some Americans do actually. They worry over an illegal war like Iraq. Kinda bad for the PR.

There was nothing illegal about it. What was illegal is Saddam Hussein refusing weapons inspections from 1998 to 2002, firing on aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones, and his oil for palaces program that was suppose to be oil for food.

[On Guard for Thee]

There was nothing illegal about it. What was illegal is Saddam Hussein refusing weapons inspections from 1998 to 2002, firing on aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones, and his oil for palaces program that was suppose to be oil for food.

Nope. It was declared illegal by the ICC. Bush was convicted.

[On Guard for Thee]

Sure it does. It's fun to pretend to be whatever we want online, isn't it?

I have what the hell you mean.

[Shady]

Nope. It was declared illegal by the ICC. Bush was convicted.

Oh yeah? And what did they declare of Putin's illegal annexation of Crimea?

[Bryan]

edit: /drift

Edited May 26, 2014 by Bryan

[On Guard for Thee]

Oh yeah? And what did they declare of Putin's illegal annexation of Crimea?

That it was illegal.

[Shady]

Nothing to declare. It wasn't illegal. The citizens requested it.

Oh yeah? How?

[Shady]

That it was illegal.

Do you have a link?

[On Guard for Thee]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/united-nations-declare-annexation-of-crimea-illegal/5350888

There are no end to links. How many do you want?

[cybercoma]

So the weapons inspectors know what the CIA director told the president? How so?

That's not what he said. He said the weapons inspectors knew about the weapons inspections.

[guyser]

As far as I am considered the estate of the father and mother should be sued as well as the sob since he was a minor at the time of the actions. I think they should seize their house as pay back since they won't collect any other money from these sob's.

Why have the suit. Rue has convicted them already. And a lawyer no less ? Oh my.

I also think the whole bloody lot of them should have been deported back to Afghanistan the country whose laws they broke or Egypt their country of origin. Theyd don't like Canadian laws then get the hell out.

Nothing like due process, the Constitution, CDN citizens....eh Lawyer?

Edited May 26, 2014 by Guyser2

[monty16]

There is really no doubt that the US has run roughshod over the ME ever since it got the opportunity with the fall of the Soviet Union. For any Americans to not understand that they have had to do a lot of reconciling their country's position in their own heads. And of course the steady buzz of their propagandists has helped.

So let's try to put that beside the Russian annexation of the Crimea at the people's request and through a referendum. We can be honest and fair about it and concede that it most likely was illegal according to the laws of the Ukraine.

But for Americans to continue to insist it was something for which Russia should be sanctioned when the US escaped any repercussions for their guilt in the Iraq war, is just so transparently hypocritical that it doesn't even approach the level of aggression by the US.

[Bob Macadoo]

You know Rue has just found his next Hudson Jones.....sigh.

[Army Guy]

There is really no doubt that the US has run roughshod over the ME ever since it got the opportunity with the fall of the Soviet Union. For any Americans to not understand that they have had to do a lot of reconciling their country's position in their own heads. And of course the steady buzz of their propagandists has helped.

So let's try to put that beside the Russian annexation of the Crimea at the people's request and through a referendum. We can be honest and fair about it and concede that it most likely was illegal according to the laws of the Ukraine.

But for Americans to continue to insist it was something for which Russia should be sanctioned when the US escaped any repercussions for their guilt in the Iraq war, is just so transparently hypocritical that it doesn't even approach the level of aggression by the US.

So if not the US , then who would have enough clout to make mother Russia stop....maybe the EU....maybe NATO....oh wait the US is NATO....who is going to tell mother Russia enough, or do we let her take what she wants....because the US is no better....

[monty16]

So if not the US , then who would have enough clout to make mother Russia stop....maybe the EU....maybe NATO....oh wait the US is NATO....who is going to tell mother Russia enough, or do we let her take what she wants....because the US is no better....

Let's wait and try to determine whether or not Russia has any plans on taking anything first. I'm fully convinced now that this had nothing to do with taking anything before the US/Nato attempted to bring the Ukraine into the fold. It resulted in a US loss so far so in that respect nobody should think it's over.

The US/Nato has always had plans to encroach further on Russia's borders and isolate Russia.

[Army Guy]

So thats what this is all about, Russia ....and here i thought it was about Ukraine as an independent country, capable of making chioces in her own best interest.....Like i said before who else is going to take the stand, who has the power to do that....or do we wait until Russia decides when it's done if she is done....

[jacee]

major thread drift here.

[Army Guy]

Should anyone have the right to sue anybody else because of the result of war.

Perhaps the question should read should there be consquences to breaking the laws and conventions of war. This terrorist was a non Combatant and the rules that govern non combatants are very clear, they are there to protect civilians during war....if he can break them at will why have them, why not just open the battle field up to include everyone.

Should a terrorist have the right to sue a government because he feels he was mistreated?

Yes, but what did the Canadian government do to mistreat him ? but that works both ways, his victims should have the same rights.

Is this soap opera ever going to end

No, not until the Liberals of this country grow a set...and treat him like the terrorist he is....he made that chioce and is now living with the consquences....Ya he was 15 , he commited adult crimes and knew what was right and wrong, and now he is serving his time. just like any other young offender in this country....

Do we pay him out , because he got his feelings hurt.....NO...it would be a slap in the face to all those that served this nation, it would be a slap in the face to the memory of those that did not come home alive.....it would be a slap in the face to all Canadians....

If the Khadrs don't like it, have them call me not only will i pay for the plane tickets, but i'll drive them to the airport.....

60 Million bucks what a joke.....when the max pay out for our own soldiers is 250 K and only in special circumstances....lets wake the F*** up.

[Big Guy]

... This terrorist was a non Combatant and the rules that govern non combatants are very clear, they are there to protect civilians during war....if he can break them at will why have them, why not just open the battle field up to include everyone.

...

What is the difference between a "combatant" and a "non-combatant" and who makes the decision that a fighter is one or the other?

A few years ago, in a discussion on the issue of conventions I did read through many of the articles of the Geneva Conventions and three protocols. I have yet to see ANY nation in ANY war that followed those conventions to the letter, some did cherry pick and some ignored them completely. Perhaps with the different kind of modern warfare the concept of drones, robots etc could be addressed. But that would be a waste of time since no one follows them anyway.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions/

[Army Guy]

If you have read them , then you know the difference between the two, who makes that decision that indiv does.... by their actions....IE if the non combatant picks up a wpn or aids the enemy they become a illigal combatant, and can be targeted at will. These laws and conventions are meant to protect non combatant's....if they are not followed, then war would become more hellish than it is...

I have yet to see ANY nation in ANY war that followed those conventions to the letter,

Thats a pretty big statement, although some nations have had soldiers break some rules, we can hardly paint the whole nation with the same brush, unless it has produced a policy stating such. We also have to remember some conventions have huge loop holes.

I'd be curious what conventions or rules Canada broke intentionally.

[eyeball]

Canada drove through the loop-holes that should more rightly be called convention omissions on child soldiers that are as obvious as the day is long in Omar Khadr's case.

The lack of of a specific convention provides a pretty thin legal convenience that's gold boilerplate to hard-liners.

[PIK]

My initial reaction is that Omar sits at the apex of a number of issues;

From the political end, the Harper government has been spending $millions keeping Omar in jail and in the public eye. This is a matter of the PM's political ideology. That is also a waste of our money.

From the guilty or not aspect – not sure of what. There is a reason for the term “the fog of war”. I do not believe that what an injured 15 year old on the field of an active firefight during a war is murder or manslaughter. If we believe that a 15 year old is mature enough to make a decision on life and death then we should allow Canadian 15 year olds to join our forces in active combat – we do not.

I believe that incarceration is meant for rehabilitation and not punishment. This individual is being kept in jail because of the ideology of our present government. Professional sources indicate that he is no longer a threat – our government disagrees.

The idea of successfully suing our federal government is new to me. I believe that the Maher Arar decision set a precedent. A Canadian commission publicly cleared Arar of any links to terrorism, and the government of Canada later settled out of court with Arar. He received $10.5 million and Prime Minister Stephen Harper formally apologized to Arar for Canada's role in his "terrible ordeal". It appears that our government does admit to making mistakes and allows us to pay for them.

As to the lawsuits, I believe in the rule of law and await the decision of the courts. The courts will have a lot more information about these cases than we do.

The obvious solution is to get on with the rehabilitation of this individual so that he has marketable skills and does not continue to be a drain on our resources. I do not know how much education he has received in jail and just how much damage these years of interrogation and incarceration have done to him. Short of writing (or getting book written) I do not know what skills he has that would qualify to find employment.

It is ironic that the deal, or “plea bargain” between Khadr and the Americans was a confession to actions that he still claims he did not do. That deal is now the basis of the suit against him.

The sooner this “controversy” is over the better . For some reason, both the Canadian and American governments want to keep this soap opera in the public eye. I do not know why.

Thank you for asking.

He knew what he was doing. The pics of him while building bombs, he look quite content . And when I see certain part of Canadian society making a celeb out of him ,I just want to puke. And if he was not captured he would probably would have canadian blood on his hands by now. You leave this country to fight against this country, you should be shot, no matter what age. 14/16yr olds fought in the world wars and they knew what they were doing.

Edited May 30, 2014 by PIK

[guyser]

. And when I see certain part of Canadian society making a celeb out of him ,I just want to puke.

Pray tell....who would that be ?

[PIK]

Read the newspapers much? Like the comment sections, like in the star for one. Don't play stupid guyser you are smarter then that.

[guyser]

In other words, you cant name any identifiable people, here there or anywhere.

Apart of course from the always there agitators who comprise of .00004 % of the population.