Army Guy Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Here are some Omar supporters. read the comments section and tell me these guys don't support Omar.....below are numbers of Canadians that support Omar....as for names on the forum that support Omar....i think you can find more than a few.... http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/judge-reserves-decision-on-whether-omar-khadr-should-be-moved-to-provincial-prison-1.1466198 http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/free-omar-khadr Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Don't forget the 64% of Canadians who supported Khadr's return to Canada. I suspect the vast majority of these are still pretty ashamed at how Ottawa is treating him. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 They can have him then...I never wanted him back. Quote
guyser Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/judge-reserves-decision-on-whether-omar-khadr-should-be-moved-to-provincial-prison-1.1466198One in the first 12. http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/free-omar-khadrEh....two years ago......a freeomar.com website? Edited June 3, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
WWWTT Posted June 3, 2014 Report Posted June 3, 2014 Here are some Omar supporters. read the comments section and tell me these guys don't support Omar.....below are numbers of Canadians that support Omar....as for names on the forum that support Omar....i think you can find more than a few.... And so what???? You claim that the military has fought for the freedom of Canadians (despite the fact that Canadians freedoms were only in jeopardy by the government and Canadian police), then you despise the fact that people in Canada can exercise their freedom! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Big Guy Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Posted June 3, 2014 It is easy to try to put this complicated issue into a black and white situation - like - you are for Omar or you are against Omar. Then one can criticize a poster depending on which "side" you decide he is on. But it just does not work. This is a nuanced issue with many controversial side issues; Is a 15 year old considered a soldier? If so, then a combatant or non combatant because he was not wearing a uniform? Was Canada at "war" at the time? Is he a "real" Canadian? Was the trial process legitimate? Was the sentence appropriate? Should he be treated like a criminal or POW? Can he be rehabilitated? Is he still a danger to our society? These are just a few of the questions that separate views as to the current incarceration of Omar. I remember the old "stand behind our troops or stand in front of them" propaganda used to try to silence those opposed to the legitimacy of that war. Remember Taliban Jack? If anyone has noticed, the "good guys" are now doing exactly what Taliban Jack suggested years, $billions and numerous deaths ago. Omar is no celebrity, hero or villain. He is a political football being used by different factions to satisfy different agendas. Personally, I feel that the sooner he is rehabilitated and gets out of the news then the better. While he remains in jail, we will keep picking at that scab that is trying to heal that Afghanistan wound. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
monty16 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 I can put it into a black and white issue very easily. Khadr was an enemy combatant aged 15 and is not guilty of any crime other than fighting in Afghanistan on the side of right. The only confusion that has developed over the whole thing is because Canada hasn't got the huevos to just say "NO" to the US. We need to replace our government with one that does have the huevos to say "NO". Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 5, 2014 Report Posted June 5, 2014 I can put it into a black and white issue very easily. Khadr was an enemy combatant aged 15 and is not guilty of any crime other than fighting in Afghanistan on the side of right. The only confusion that has developed over the whole thing is because Canada hasn't got the huevos to just say "NO" to the US. We need to replace our government with one that does have the huevos to say "NO". Maybe we need to bring Chretien out of retirement. He was able to say Non. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 One in the first 12. Eh....two years ago......a freeomar.com website? You asked for names of supporters, these guys are supporters, like it or not. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 And so what???? You claim that the military has fought for the freedom of Canadians (despite the fact that Canadians freedoms were only in jeopardy by the government and Canadian police), then you despise the fact that people in Canada can exercise their freedom! WWWTT Yes i have claimed that, me and millions of others, along with our history books....Yes the government can create and take away your freedoms, been that way for quit some time now, are you afraid.... I don't despise anyone that exericises their freedoms, you can amire anyone you want , send him all your money, but when taxpayers money is going to be used to fund a terrorist then i as in me a tax payer draw the line....when good men and women who believed in a better Canada risk everything and suffered alot more than your man Omar....get far less it sends a clear msg....our terrorist are worth much more than the people that fight for our country and everything it stands for....maybe next time you and your ilk can get Omar and his buddies to stand the line for you.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Rue Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) This individual is on record as stating he did nothing wrong and would do what he did again if given the chance. He is an individual who agrees with engaging in terrorism. That makes him a dangerous offender with no remorse. He should not be released. Big guy he was never a soldier. His being 15 doesn't grant him special status. He was a terrorist, is a terrorist and chooses to be a terrorist. You can try re-invent him to be a child victim but your standard of analysis is based on your reality in Canada where we call people youth offenders. He is not a youth offender. He's not some poor misunderstood boy. He is the product of violent, hateful beliefs. He will not change and he will kill again if given the opportunity. Edited June 9, 2014 by Rue Quote
GostHacked Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 And they should be made whole. They don't deserve to be given sums that far exceed whatever they might have earned if they were never a victim. Tell that to the people of Lac Megantic. How about the residents of Gulf of Mexico devastated by the Deep Water Horizon oil rig going down? IF a company comes and messes my stuff up, I should get more compensation. Why? I have to first replace items and fix the damage done. That is physical. Then the emotional trauma because of it can take years to overcome. That might require medical treatment which can be expensive if you do not have coverage. Why should they? My point is the lawsuit lottery encourages frivolous lawsuits by people who are not really victims but just want to cash in. There are always going to be cases like that. Hopefully the system is good enough to weed those out and dismiss really stupid frivolous lawsuits. If the awards were based on what is necessary to put the person back into position that they were in before the incident then only true victims would sue. The lawsuit lottery also rewards weak minded people who would rather wallow in the past instead of picking themselves up and moving on. If Omar is released, how do you expect him to every have a life that resembled something before this incident? He will have a target on him from many disgruntled people who may have been affected by this. If he is in fact innocent, then he needs to be compensated for the time he spent in GITMO and in prison here in Canada. How would one recover from being called a rapist when that was never the case? The justice system is not 100%. Innocents get charged and jailed for things they did not do. How do they recover from that? And how can someone move on if they are constantly harassed in public due to the incident? If you are jailed for a decade and that turned out to be wrong, what kind of compensation are you going to ask for? You would be happy with just 10 years worth of your salary right? And what if the government has a huge part in your false detention, what are your reactions to that? At the same time they want to cash in their lottery ticket rather than focusing on what is necessary to correct the wrong. Some do. But when you hit governments and corps in the pocket book, that makes them take notice the most. So go for the maximum compensation you can get. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I don't despise anyone that exericises their freedoms, you can amire anyone you want , send him all your money, but when taxpayers money is going to be used to fund a terrorist then i as in me a tax payer draw the line.... Our neighbor to the south really likes to fund terrorists and terrorism. I thought Canada and the US were working together to eliminate it instead of allowing it to continue. The CIA helped fund and arm Al-Queda and the Taliban. The CIA has helped to fund and arm the rebels in Libya, and in Syria. How does removing the elected leader of Haiti help your stance? That is beyond terrorism when you physically remove a elected leader of another country. In fact our 'partners' (specifically the US and the UK) in this war on terror are making your life more difficult by undermine their own war on terror by supporting terrorism. Edited June 9, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Moonbox Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Our neighbor to the south really likes to fund terrorists and terrorism. I thought Canada and the US were working together to eliminate it instead of allowing it to continue. The CIA helped fund and arm Al-Queda and the Taliban. The CIA has helped to fund and arm the rebels in Libya, and in Syria. How does removing the elected leader of Haiti help your stance? That is beyond terrorism when you physically remove a elected leader of another country. In fact our 'partners' (specifically the US and the UK) in this war on terror are making your life more difficult by undermine their own war on terror by supporting terrorism. The misuse of the words "terrorist/terrorism", like you exemplify here, has warped it to mean practically nothing now. The CIA didn't fund Al Quaeda and Taliban terrorists. They funded and armed a resistance movement trying to fight off Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. Good idea? Debatable, but they weren't funding terrorists. Those same groups may have turned out to be pretty awful, but the US wasn't funding them as terrorists. Having bad foreign policy isn't supporting terrorism. Removing the elected leader of Haiti isn't terrorism either. I don't really know much about that example, but I don't know why you'd call it terrorism. It was, perhaps, interfering with another country's self-governing (which the US is admittedly prone to doing), but it's not like they were dropping bombs indiscriminately on Haitian villages. When you talk like this, you sound like Assad trying to pretend the revolution going on in Syria isn't actually a revolution. It's just terrorism in Syria, because it's, you know, bad. Edited June 10, 2014 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
eyeball Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 The misuse of the words "terrorist/terrorism", like you exemplify here, has warped it to mean practically nothing now... I'm reminded of the lecture me and a few other parents got from the cops that took down my kid and a few of his buddies for a bag a weed round about 2002 or so...they told us, quite seriously, that buying pot only put money into the hands of terrorists. ....When you talk like this... This ship sailed so long ago it's sailed on around the globe at least a few times now. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 I'm reminded of the lecture me and a few other parents got from the cops that took down my kid and a few of his buddies for a bag a weed round about 2002 or so...they told us, quite seriously, that buying pot only put money into the hands of terrorists. This ship sailed so long ago it's sailed on around the globe at least a few times now. And if we keep Harper in power it will stay like that. If I want a joint we all know it takes about 5 minutes. I recall Harper making the statement "when you buy that marijuana cigarette you are buying it from the Mexican drug cartels" That's one of the truest things he's ever said. Ease up on those laws and I could buy "that marijuana cig'. from my neighbor Mexican's out of business here! Quote
Moonbox Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Way to take a small aside and bring Harper into the debate. We were talking terrorism, not drug policy. Go make a thread somewhere else. As for eyeball, yeah that was pretty goof of the cops. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WWWTT Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 Way to take a small aside and bring Harper into the debate. We were talking terrorism, not drug policy. Go make a thread somewhere else. As for eyeball, yeah that was pretty goof of the cops. LOL! Actually this is a thread about a Canadian that has been distanced by the Harper government! And you think that Harper shouldn't be brought into the debate! Man that's a freekin spun comment! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Moonbox Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 We were commenting on the perversion and now general uselessness of the words "terrorist/terrorism". Quoting our small and rather mocking discussion of the subject to segway into a discussion of pot decriminalization and general Harper-hating in a thread like this is just pure goof. It's not surprising you're still around here trolling just as hard as ever. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Topaz Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Do have any one you heard the Tories are working on a law to strip Canadians of their citizenship for various reasons? My understanding is that and if they even if you were born here,they can still do it to you. I could be wrong but I think this has to do with Khadr and when he gets out of jail, the feds don't want him in Canada. 'm not sure, but it also has to do with British citizens living in Canada, who don't have a Canadian citizenship. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 We were commenting on the perversion and now general uselessness of the words "terrorist/terrorism". Quoting our small and rather mocking discussion of the subject to segway into a discussion of pot decriminalization and general Harper-hating in a thread like this is just pure goof. It's not surprising you're still around here trolling just as hard as ever. In other words, you're lost into your thread drift! Accusing other posters of trolling instead of report/ignore=piss poor debater! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Do have any one you heard the Tories are working on a law to strip Canadians of their citizenship for various reasons? My understanding is that and if they even if you were born here,they can still do it to you. Another unconstitutional law! Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. The conservatives are turning into one of the most reckless Canadian governments in our history! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Moonbox Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 In other words, you're lost into your thread drift! Accusing other posters of trolling instead of report/ignore=piss poor debater! WWWTT It's funny that you call whatever you do here 'debating'. Putting exclamation marks everywhere doesn't hide your failed attempts at wit, nor do they make your hysterical (not in a funny way) commentary any less ridiculous. WWWTT Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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