Big Guy Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Three weeks ago, more than 300 teenage girls were abducted from a school in Nigeria. In a video released Monday, the leader of an Islamist militant group called Boko Haram took responsibility for the kidnappings, describing the girls as “slaves” who would be sold. Boko Haram claims that two girls have died and 20 are ill. Since then, there were unconfirmed reports that eight more girls had been kidnapped. For two weeks this story had wallowed in the middle pages of newspapers and basically ignored in the West. Now, after protesters in Nigeria kept trying to keep the issue alive, the world media are staring to take notice. Why was the story of 300 female children kidnapped basically ignored? Was it because they “are over there”? Would the same lack of interest be shown about 300 white female schoolgirls being kidnapped? Is this an internal civil war problem? Is this an international outrage? If asked, should Canada send troops? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Someone should send troops. Everyone of these kidnappers deserve the Seal-team Six treatment. Quote
guyser Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Someone should send troops. Everyone of these kidnappers deserve the Seal-team Six treatment.Frankly Id rather hand the kidnappers over to the mothers of these girls away from prying eyes . Quote
Big Guy Posted May 7, 2014 Author Report Posted May 7, 2014 Nigeria has just asked for assistance from Canada. What kind (if any) assistance should we send? Are Canadian boots on the ground an option? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 If governments are going to waste money looking for a plane that crashed into the ocean, I'd argue this is a better use of resources. I think what these kidnappers have done is horrific and there should be a response from the civilized world. I'm sure there is abuse to women all over the earth, everyday. But this incident is unique. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 If governments are going to waste money looking for a plane that crashed into the ocean, I'd argue this is a better use of resources. No one here is going to be able to argue that point. I agree with you. Quote
Argus Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Nigeria has just asked for assistance from Canada. What kind (if any) assistance should we send? Are Canadian boots on the ground an option? There is nothing anybody else can do. The Nigerians have been fighting* this insurgency for years. Their army is pathetically undisciplined and poorly trained. Their governmetn has shown little inclination to put any major effort into confronting the group since mostly they just kill poor people and the government doesn't care about what happens to them. fighting: soldiers drive into a Muslim village, beat up some people, rape some women, shoot a few people, and drive off with a few prisoners who may or may not have the slightest thing to do with the insurgency, and dump them into a hellhole prison. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Isn't there already a thread about this? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 Three weeks ago, more than 300 teenage girls were abducted from a school in Nigeria. In a video released Monday, the leader of an Islamist militant group called Boko Haram took responsibility for the kidnappings, describing the girls as “slaves” who would be sold. Boko Haram claims that two girls have died and 20 are ill. Since then, there were unconfirmed reports that eight more girls had been kidnapped. For two weeks this story had wallowed in the middle pages of newspapers and basically ignored in the West. Now, after protesters in Nigeria kept trying to keep the issue alive, the world media are staring to take notice. Why was the story of 300 female children kidnapped basically ignored? Was it because they “are over there”? Would the same lack of interest be shown about 300 white female schoolgirls being kidnapped? Is this an internal civil war problem? Is this an international outrage? If asked, should Canada send troops? No one will dare blame the problem on Islamism. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 No one will dare blame the problem on Islamism. I will, or at least blame a very significant part of this on Islamism. Islamists are bat-sh!t crazy, proven once again. Possibly the most insane and horrific ideology i've ever come across. If Hitler was an Islamist instead of a Nazi, he would have still killed the Jews plus every other non-Muslim in the country (so basically, all of Germany lol)...oh not to mention kidnapping girls in schools across Europe. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dre Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 No one will dare blame the problem on Islamism. I blame the problem on the patriarchial nature of society and the tendency for men all around the world to view women as purchasable products. This has been going on for thousands of years... in pretty much every society and culture that has ever existed. Its definately true that that Abrahamites (christians, muslims and jews) have helped to pertpetuate the marginalization of women... but religion isnt the root cause of the problem. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
iolo Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 Africa is full of artificial states created by colonialism, whereas (like us) the people live in smaller communities, some of them extremely backward and with no very obvious reason to join the human race. Push for a confederation of real groups. The colonialist chickens seldom come HOME to roost! Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 Africa is full of artificial states created by colonialism, whereas (like us) the people live in smaller communities, some of them extremely backward and with no very obvious reason to join the human race. Push for a confederation of real groups. The colonialist chickens seldom come HOME to roost! In most of Africa generally, I agree. You see the political rift that can occur between different cultural/nationalist groups within countries like Canada (Quebec vs the rest of Canada) and within other European nations (Irish NRA vs British, or pro-Russians Ukrainians/Crimeans vs rest of Ukraine). European empires divided countries in Africa into artificial state borders in the 1800's with no regard to the cultural groups within, so you have these different groups fighting for control of political power within countries via government systems completely foreign to their cultures prior to colonialism. This, among other things, causes civil war. You force ie: Sunnis and Shias into the same borders, and/or use "divide and conquer" tactics to cause resentment between groups, as the colonial Belgians did between Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, and you're going to have conflict, whether violent or not. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
overthere Posted May 8, 2014 Report Posted May 8, 2014 No one will dare blame the problem on Islamism. The kidnappers were Muslims, true enough. But that is not the real problem now. The problem now and for a long time is the utter corruption of the Nigerian state, which is not formally an Islamic state. The govt ignored this because it doesn't give a solitary shit about the common people. If one of those children was the daughter of a general, the entire region would be swarming with Nigerian troops. Nigeria routinely sends their miliatry on peacekeeping missions in Africa and elsewhere, where are they now? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jbg Posted May 9, 2014 Report Posted May 9, 2014 The kidnappers were Muslims, true enough.Is that news? The problem now and for a long time is the utter corruption of the Nigerian state, which is not formally an Islamic state. The govt ignored this because it doesn't give a solitary shit about the common people. If one of those children was the daughter of a general, the entire region would be swarming with Nigerian troops. Nigeria routinely sends their miliatry on peacekeeping missions in Africa and elsewhere, where are they now? The "government" gives a shit about their Swiss bank accounts. And the West gets sucker-played into providing aid to fill those accounts. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Hudson Jones Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 No one will dare blame the problem on Islamism. To blame Islam or Islamism for their acts is basically saying that all Muslims believe what these guys believe is okay to do. That's the kind of stunted argument that semi-literates try to pass, in order to feed the hatred and their agenda. It's as ridiculous as blaming the actions of Lev Tahor and Kahane on Orthodox Judaism. Here is some information on the Mohammed Yusuf, the founder of group: Dr. Ahmad Murtada of the Islamic Studies Department, University of Bayero, Kano has noted in his research into Mohammed Yusuf and Boko Haram that when the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Nigeria arose, known as "Yan Brothers" and under the leadership of Ibrahim Zakzaky, Yusuf joined the Muslim Brotherhood. When the "Yan Brothers" movement split, an organisation emphasising the Prophetic Sunnah emerged known as "Izala ul-Bida wa Iqamat us-Sunnah" [Removing Religious Innovation and Establishing the Prophetic Sunnah] and Yusuf was part of this movement for a while. A split then occurred among three mosques which served as the administrative centres of the movement, and Yusuf and his students and followers then set up their own movement known as "Jama'at Ahl us-Sunnah li'd-Da'wah wa'l-Jihad" [The Group of the People of Sunnah for Preaching and Jihad], which would lay the basis for the formation of Boko Haram. The movement is therefore repudiated by many adherents of the Salafi tradition in Nigeria. According to the University of California at Santa Cruz's Paul Lubeck, Yusuf received instruction in Salafism and was strongly influenced by Ibn Taymiyyah. In a 2009 BBC interview, Yusuf stated his belief that the concept of a spherical Earth is contrary to Islamic teaching and should be rejected, along with Darwinian evolution, and the concept of rain originating from water evaporated by the sun. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
WestCoastRunner Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 I am glad to hear that Canada is providing surveillance equipment to Nigeria to help find these girls. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
kimmy Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 US marines have located the girls, apparently. Now it's just a matter of freeing them, and dealing with the Boko Harams in an appropriate manner. I think a wood-chipper and manure-spreader would be suitable. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 US marines have located the girls, apparently. Now it's just a matter of freeing them, and dealing with the Boko Harams in an appropriate manner. I think a wood-chipper and manure-spreader would be suitable. -k Hillary Clinton may have something to say about that. Possibly another thing to keep her away from the White House. http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/politics/clinton-boko-haram/ The question arose Thursday as part of the international focus on last month's abduction of more than 200 schoolgirls by the jihadist group in northeast Nigeria that threatens to sell them into slavery. A Daily Beast article raised the issue. It quoted an anonymous U.S. official who criticized the Clinton State Department for rejecting calls in 2012 by some in Congress, the Department of Justice and others to add Boko Haram to the terror list as a threat to U.S. interests and homeland security. At the time, State Department officials argued such a move could cause more harm than good by enhancing the group's standing and making U.S. and Western interests a target of Boko Haram attacks. After Clinton stepped down and was succeeded by John Kerry, the State Department designated the group as a terrorist organization in November 2013. Quote
kimmy Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 At the time, State Department officials argued such a move could cause more harm than good by enhancing the group's standing and making U.S. and Western interests a target of Boko Haram attacks. And that's a reasonable argument to make. There's also a very rational argument to make against having any Western personnel involved in operations against Boko Haram, for exactly that reason. However, if a bunch of top commandos from western countries just happened to go on vacation, and a bunch of Boko Harams just mysteriously vanished from the face of the planet, that wouldn't be a bad thing. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Shady Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 Hillary's gonna have a lot to explain if she runs from president. First is her so-called Russian reset. Second is Benghazi. Third is now not declaring this group a terrorist organization. She has a heck of a record as Secretary of State doesn't she? If this were a man, he'd be completely disqualified from even thinking about running for president. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 And that's a reasonable argument to make. There's also a very rational argument to make against having any Western personnel involved in operations against Boko Haram, for exactly that reason. However, if a bunch of top commandos from western countries just happened to go on vacation, and a bunch of Boko Harams just mysteriously vanished from the face of the planet, that wouldn't be a bad thing. -k First off I will say that these abductions are horrific. .....now with that out of the way. Could also be a scenario like Al-Queda in Afghanistan. Support them before calling them terrorists. But most of the dudes from Team 6 that got Bin Laden have died over the past couple years. All this really smacks of the failed Kony 2012 project type propaganda. That was the first thing running through my head when this was brought up. I could be wrong. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 10, 2014 Report Posted May 10, 2014 Hillary's gonna have a lot to explain if she runs from president. If she runs FROM president, she would be greeted with waving hands. First is her so-called Russian reset. Second is Benghazi. Third is now not declaring this group a terrorist organization. She has a heck of a record as Secretary of State doesn't she? If this were a man, he'd be completely disqualified from even thinking about running for president. Actually, Benghazi and Russia are down the list some. Because first we had Whitewater and Valarie Plame scandals. Then there is even the Lewinski thing not overall a bit deal, but more of a nod to her deidcation to a womanizing liar. Showing what kind of integrity she really has. I am sure if we dig a bit more we can find a lot more on her! Quote
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