This week in Islam

[dialamah]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Truck plows through a crowd - "He's just mentally ill, you're all racists if you think otherwise." 

After spending several months following right-wing political figures and participating in right-wing social media cites, Alexandre Bissonnet storms a Mosque during prayer, killing 6 and injuring 19.

After immersing himself in right-wing, anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric, Anders Brevik kills 77 people to register his objection to immigrants and Muslims in his country.

Right-wingers everywhere:  "Those people are mentally ill, that has nothing to do with us or our anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim and pro-White Supremacy rhetoric".

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Man beats his wife - "He didn't know it was wrong to beat your wife with a hockey stick for 1/2 hour."

Nobody here agreed with that ruling, including myself.  

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Man molests young girls at a waterpark - "Their stories weren't consistent, therefore he's innocent."

Nobody here defended this person as far as I know.  I objected to people who said things like "See what we are bringing into our country?  Muslims who don't know how to behave in public".  Of course these same people, when confronted with non-Muslims doing exactly the same sorts of things respond with "Meh, what do you expect?  Of course some men are bastards, we know this, we condemn it, but it's just part of life."  Double standard in spades:  if a Muslim does it, hand-wringing and bigotry ensues; if a non-Muslim does it, sad shakes of head and resigned shrug of shoulders.

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Muslim leaders call for the death of Jews every year at Al Qud - "How dare you wonder why none of the Muslims at the event objected to it!!  You f'in racist!!"

Where did I, or anyone, call you a 'f'in racist', again?   

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Every terror attack - "It's the West's fault, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the religion."

Every bomb drop/drone attack in the Middle East:  What do you mean, they are tired of us killing them by the 100s of thousands over there; don't they understand we're doing it for their own good?   Of course our war-mongering in their countries has nothing to do with resentment against the West, or of their extremists taking action!  How dare they object, the ungrateful bastards!  They hate us and attack us for no reason other than religious fanatacism!

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Don't agree with burkas? - "It's their choice to be treated like that.  How dare you question their question their choice, you f'in racist!!"

A form of dress is such a problem for you folks you'd be happy to impose rules on women: a solution that addresses the wrong problem and the wrong person and creates an even worse situation for the women.  At least you (eventually) had the honesty to admit it wasn't so much that you wanted to 'help' these oppressed women, but that the extremity of the burka offends you.

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No go zones popping up in every country - "They dont' exist, it's just people demonizing Muslims."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/  - these stories of no-go zones are false.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nz8kab/residents-of-europes-no-go-areas-talk-about-life-in-the-danger-zone  -  residents of these so-called 'no go zones' mention the diversity and the lack of Sharia law  in their neighborhoods.  They invite people who think they live in a 'no-go zone' to come and visit for themselves and see how wrong they are.   

 The supposed 'no-go' zones are analogous to places like the DTES in Vancouver, where poverty reigns supreme and criminal behavior is higher than the rest of the country; where residents often don't report crime because they don't trust the police, or because of fear of reprisal.   Inner-city ghettos is what they used to be called, but since there's an agenda to demonize Muslims, RW media has termed these places 'no-go' zones and spread stories about how Muslims have taken over, imposed Sharia law and the police no longer attend.   

https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas

But hey, the fear and loathing generated by the myths of the 'no-go' zone is a lot more attractive than the reality so I'm pretty sure nothing is going to change your conviction about these 'no-go' zones.   

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Anti-semitism on the rise, Jews leaving France in droves - "There's anti-semitism everywhere, so if you're worried about that you're a f'in racist!"

Yes, anti-semitism is on the rise, along with crimes against all other minorities, including LGBTQ.  Generally, the people charged with those sorts of crimes are right-wingers.   

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Anti-Semitic incidents have increased dramatically, up 57 percent in just the last year according to the Anti-Defamation League, and, in fact, hate crimes are up across the board. Statistics show the number of people killed by far-right extremists since Sept. 11 are roughly equal to the number killed in the U.S. by jihadist terrorists–a fact that has received little public attention and gone unremarked upon by F.B.I. Director Christopher Wray in his annual testimony before Congress. Hate crimes against Muslims also rose almost 20 percent in 2016 over 2015.

But hey, let's blame Muslims for the rise in antisemitism, shall we?

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Muslim Rape Game - "It doesnt' exist.  Those women are liars."

The Muslim Rape Game doesn't exist; what does exist is something called "taharrush gamea", or group harassment in Arabic.  But that's bad enough, so hey .. I'll let you have this one.  Especially since gang rapes definitely happen, the world over, so it's not like this is the least bit implausible.

Just for the record, I never called that reporter a liar; I agreed that something horrible must have happened to her.   I did find the other eyewitness account that contradicted *some* parts of her description interesting.

Perhaps a description of demonizing would help you understand why I object to so many of your posts.  Here's a link that offers a simple explanation.  

Here's the Wikipedia definition.

And here's an interesting discussion on Quora, which helps explain why I object to people demonizing Muslims, even if I don't particularly agree with Islamic belief or the cultural norms prevalent in Islamic society.  

This passage describes it pretty well for me:

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But fundamentally liberalism is about fairness. You’ve probably heard of the ACLU. That group of liberal First Amendment people who will defend the Klan’s right to march. This is because if you defend things only when people you like do them you don’t actually defend the thing. Your only principle is defending people you like.

Conservatives generally value in-group loyalty and purity much more than liberals. And in-group loyalty is inherently unfair. We don’t care much what your kinks are as long as you keep them to yourselves. Muslims in America generally want space for themselves which liberals consider fair even when the Muslims themselves are conservative. Conservatives on the other hand want to dictate how other people live in ways that liberals consider unfair.

 

Edited October 31, 2018 by dialamah

[dialamah]

48 minutes ago, Argus said:

Following the latest convictions just the other day of another group of Pakistani child rapists in the the Rotherham district of the UK it has been revealed that the special agency set up to investigate so-called 'grooming gangs' is investigating a further 426 Muslim men in the area. This is separate from the multiple investigations into other Pakistani rape gangs across the US which have already resulted in numerous convictions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html

That is a terrible story.  

It would be very interesting to learn the outcome of this:

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I have instructed my officials to explore the particular context and characteristics of these types of gangs and if the evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending, then I will take action.”

Also, it would be interesting to know how many of the 104 Canadian men arrested for seeking sex with children were of Pakistani origin.  Sadly, the penalties for seeking sex with a child in Canada are stunningly mild:  

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The penalties range from at least a $2,000 fine and/or three to seven months in jail and being listed on the national sex offender registry.

Hardly seems severe enough for a willingness to destroy a child.

 

[Goddess]

22 minutes ago, dialamah said:

why I object to people demonizing Muslims

The problem is that to YOU - anything that doesn't flatter Islam is "demonizing Muslims".

The other problem is that it is very easy for apologists, such as yourself, to pooh-pooh  various individual examples of Muslim aggression and excuse them away.  One by one, they are all explained and excused away by you - this person is a liar, that is a fake news report, those people are Islamophobes, tiny tiny minority, etc. etc.

You refuse to see the bigger, world-wide picture.  When you put all those individual examples from all over the world together, it's not so easy to explain and excuse away - unless you ignore the continual, increasing confrontation of Islam against the countries and people it did not conquer in earlier centuries of Muslim expansion.  Islam does not forget what it believes is its greater mission.  It unabashedly affirms that everyone should be Muslim.  It does not hesitate to achieve this purpose anywhere it is not resisted.  Terrorists are not some inexplicable fanatics acting for no conceivable reason - bombing, beheadings and trucks driven into crowds arises from a faithful reading of the Koran.  They are not acting against Islam, they are acting for it and it's long-range mission.  You can deny it all you want and castigate DoP for quoting the very passages that are being used to justify Islamic attacks, but that is a fact.  You can deny that large portions of the world's Muslims agree with the passages all you want too - but that is also a fact.

You are ignorant of any history of Islam, only basing your views on the emotional factor that your sister is converted to Islam and is now a Muslim.  You have no more understanding of what Muslims truly believe or how they might act on that belief than anybody else.  For that, we should be relying on the history of the religion, how it is currently being practiced in Muslim majority countries and how its followers act.

You think Islam has reformed, but it has not.  You think Islam has already been changed, into something it cannot be.  What is happening is not Islam changing itself - what is happening is that it isolates itself into enclaves.  It has learned to use democratic voting as effectively as it uses guns and bombs.  Many, many Muslim leaders and followers have publicly stated that they are taking over gradually, with the help of demographics, one after another Western political system - country by country, city by city.

Islam will be Islam for as long as the history of Muslim expansion is viewed by majority Muslims as definitive.

So, in the end, we can agree to disagree about Islam and Muslim responsibility all we want.  You interpret facts one way and I interpret them another.

If the people, like myself, who are concerned about what we see happening in Islam, are wrong - it won't be for lack of Islam trying.

 If we're right, however - we already know what that future will look like.

 

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

In the name of western capitalism? Western capitalists have no interest in spreading their dogma by force. When western nations bomb anyone it is always targeted to avoid innocent deaths and it is always defensive. We aren't in Afghanistan because we want to conquer their shitty country but because they harbored a massive terrorist organization which flew planes into western buildings. And we're still there because the moment we leave it will return to being the shithole of crazed Islamist fanaticism it was when we arrived.

If the US wanted to target the genesis of terrorists flying planes into Western buildings, why did they ignore Saudi Arabia?   And, how many countries did the US "save" prior to 9/11, how many innocent civilians did they 'accidentally' kill before these extremists decided to fight back?  

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There is certainly a moral high ground between attacking terrorists, and occasionally, unavoidably hitting innocent civilians, and deliberately attacking innocent civilians.

Occasionally, unavoidably hitting innocent civilians?  

US kills 500 Arab civilians in a single year

Military personnel are supposed to look before they attack to make sure there are no civilians, but they don't; thousands of non-combatants die "accidentally".

An estimated 4 million Muslims killed by Western military since 1990; hundreds of thousands of them civilian. 

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Total bullshit. We're not exporting anything.

Exporting Democracy: by Bob Rae

Import/export Democracy: 20 years of democracy assistance ....

The Dangers of Exporting Democracy

The United States has attempted to export liberal democratic institutions through military occupation and reconstruction throughout its history, with mixed results.

The received view about the globalization of culture is one where the entire world has been molded in the image of Western, mainly American, culture.

Cultural Imperialism in the late 20th Century.

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This sounds like the ranting of an Islamist, or maybe a far left progressive.  It's kind of hard to tell them apart sometimes.

No worries.  Sometimes it's hard to tell you apart from a bigoted, racist xenophobe.

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If the West wanted to force others to embrace their ideals they'd have forced them by now.

Just as if the Muslims wanted to 'force' others to submit to Islam, we'd have been forced by now eh?  

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Yet we've never made any effort to do so. 

See above links re:  exporting democracy and cultural imperialism.   Islam's efforts to 'convert' the world fall far short of the Western attempt to 'democracize' the world.  

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You are apparently blind to the fact the only reason there is any western military in your countries is because of attacks on westerners. There is a cause and effect here, and it has bugger all to do with the West trying to force people to embrace freedom.

What was the terror attack that justified the US using it's resources and military to support some countries and attacking or occupying other countries, starting in the 1950s and continuing to this day?  Which terror attack happened prior to 1953, when the US government under Eisenhower instructed the CIA to depose the democratically elected leader of Iran?   Or landed their military in Lebanon to help the "preferred" government there in 1958?    

Yes:  cause and effect.  The States, supported by it's allies, has interfered in the Middle East long before there were any attacks on Westerners, either in the region or in the West.  

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If the Muslim nations of the middle east weren't run by crazed, bloody lunatics there'd be no issues.

If Americans hadn't considered it their sacred duty to take on the role of world policeman/political string-puller in foreign lands, there'd be no issues.   Cause and effect, right?   

You know, it just so happens I think the US has done some very good things around the world, for some very good reasons.  But that doesn't mean I can't see how the actual inhabitants of that region might view it differently.

[dialamah]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The problem is that to YOU - anything that doesn't flatter Islam is "demonizing Muslims".

As I've already pointed out examples disproving that statement, I will stop reading.  No doubt the rest of the post is more ranting and raving about things I haven't said and stuff I don't believe.

Cya.

[dialamah]

A few years ago, a US politician was asked if Islam was taking over the US and the world.   She responded:

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Angle responded that “we’re talking about a militant terrorist situation, which I believe it isn’t a widespread thing, but it is enough that we need to address, and we have been addressing, it.” Muslims, she suggested, have already imposed their religious law on areas of the country. “My thoughts are these, first of all, Dearborn, Michigan, and Frankford, Texas are on American soil, and under constitutional law. Not Sharia law,” she explained. “It seems to me there is something fundamentally wrong with allowing a foreign system of law to even take hold in any municipality or government situation in our United States.”

Clearly, she had an inkling of the threat of an Islamic takeover.   

Although Frankford Texas barely exists, having only a Church and small cemetary, Dearborn Michigan does have a Muslim community of some size.   Jack O'Reilly, Dearborn's Mayor, commented that:  "there was no Sharia law in Dearborn and the issue was never raised by residents. “Muslims have been practicing their faith in our community for almost 90 years without incident or conflict,” he said. “To suggest that they have taken over ignores the fact that Dearborn hosts seven mosques and 60 Christian churches.” 

Some takeover.

 

[Goddess]

I've already posted tons of links and info from people who know just as much as not more, that posits otherwise.

You refused to read any of that, too.

I read it all and I don't know one way or the other.  And neither do you. 

So I go by 1. The history of the religion  2.  How it currently operates in countries where it is majority    3.  The actions, behaviours and attitudes it produces in its mainstream following.  And that is why I lean towards the one I feel is more realistic at this time.  It's probably one of the few times in my life that I have not completely accepted the "unicorns & rainbows" view of anything.

Have a great Halloween - I'm dressed as a "granny on vacation" today 

[dialamah]

 

Understanding Islam Today is a site run by a Canadian who lives in Vancouver.  Judging by his posts, he's also a devout Christian.

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Mark Robert Anderson is a lecturer on Islam, the Qur’an and Muslim-Christian dialogue. He has a Masters degree in Islamic Studies from McGill University and another in Christian theology from Westminster Theological Seminary, and also ten years’ experience living in the Arab world. He is the author of The Qur’an in Context: A Christian Exploration, a college textbook on understanding the Qur’an. Mark’s passion is to help people understand Islam and the challenges facing Muslims and Christians today in a way that is fair to all and to foster Muslim-Christian dialogue.

I bring this to readers' attention because this site explores the issues I see posted about here often.  It doesn't deny, dismiss or downplay the patriarchy of Islam, or the conservatism of most of it's adherents, the violence of it's extremists or the ideology underlying it.  But it also provides explanation and perspective, and invites understanding and acceptance, not just from "us", but from Muslims as well.  

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

invites understanding and acceptance, not just from "us", but from Muslims as well.  

That is the part that is sorely lacking, I feel.  Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

 

Understanding Islam Today is a site run by a Canadian who lives in Vancouver.  Judging by his posts, he's also a devout Christian.

I bring this to readers' attention because this site explores the issues I see posted about here often.  It doesn't deny, dismiss or downplay the patriarchy of Islam, or the conservatism of most of it's adherents, the violence of it's extremists or the ideology underlying it.  But it also provides explanation and perspective, and invites understanding and acceptance, not just from "us", but from Muslims as well.  

 

Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Oskar Schindler was a good Nazi.

It's actually a pretty good site, but when i clicked on the hijb part, it's very pro-hijab.  Empowering and freeing for women and all that.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's actually a pretty good site, but when i clicked on the hijb part, it's very pro-hijab.  Empowering and freeing for women and all that.

 

I think we can agree Oskar was a good fellow. Got a tree planted in Israel for all those Jews he saved...a great man.

Still a Nazi.

[scribblet]

These protesters don't like the S.C. decision to not execute a young Christian woman over blasphemy allegations.    

https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/388319-pakistan-islamists-protest-for-second-day-after-christian-acquitted-of-blasphemy?

Nationwide protests continue on second day after Asia Bibi's acquittal

[scribblet]

21 hours ago, Argus said:

Following the latest convictions just the other day of another group of Pakistani child rapists in the the Rotherham district of the UK it has been revealed that the special agency set up to investigate so-called 'grooming gangs' is investigating a further 426 Muslim men in the area. This is separate from the multiple investigations into other Pakistani rape gangs across the US which have already resulted in numerous convictions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-rotherham-suspects-victims-girls-rape-uk-nca-prosecutions-a8609511.html

and in Huddersfield  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/huddersfield-child-abuse-ring-sex-trial-court-grooming-tommy-robinson-reporting-restrictions-a8592176.html

Rape gangs are endemic in the U.K. and in the rest of Europe as Italy is now facing similar problems where 3 migrants have  been arrested in the slaying  and rape of the young girls. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/italy-arrest-3-in-teens-slaying-fueling-immigration-debate/2018/10/25/45cb0a36-d85f-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.e48cdf191917

This is from 2016 but it's growing  https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/cologne-is-every-day-europes-rape-epidemic/news-story/e2e618e17ad4400b5ed65045e65e141d

Edited November 1, 2018 by scribblet

[Argus]

On 11/1/2018 at 9:37 AM, scribblet said:

These protesters don't like the S.C. decision to not execute a young Christian woman over blasphemy allegations.    

https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/388319-pakistan-islamists-protest-for-second-day-after-christian-acquitted-of-blasphemy?

Nationwide protests continue on second day after Asia Bibi's acquittal

And now the government has given in and released all the protestors arrested, and promised to not let her leave Pakistan. Why was that a demand of the religious extremists? Because they want to be able to get at her, of course. And the government gave in. Meanwhile, her lawyer has fled Pakistan for his life.

It is worth noting that Pakistan is one of the top source countries for immigrants to Canada. Left wingers have threatened to commit mass suicide if Canada were to even think about considering implementing any sort of values test to try to weed out religious extremists from the immigration stream, because they admire them so much.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46082324

[Guest]

It's difficult to see what kind of defence Islam might get from liberals in this case.  It's easy enough to blame a bomb or a truck driving incident on insanity induced extremism but what is driving all those foaming protestors?

Can you imagine hating someone so much for what they might have said that you would call for their death?

Edited November 3, 2018 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

It's difficult to see what kind of defence Islam might get from liberals in this case.  It's easy enough to blame a bomb or a truck driving incident on insanity induced extremism but what is driving all those foaming protestors?

Can you imagine hating someone so much for what they might have said that you would call for their death?

Just curious if you read the link, since you so rarely do.

I did, and agree the reaction of the protesters is ridiculous.  

Sadly, threatening death because you don't like someone isn't limited to religious extremists in Pakistan.  Canadian transgensder Stefonknee Wolscht went into hiding after recieving thousands of death threats; I bet a lot of these people were Christians.  I am really glad that in Canada, our laws and government is strong enough and liberal enough to better protect minorities than is the case in Pakistan. 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Just curious if you read the link, since you so rarely do.

I did, and agree the reaction of the protesters is ridiculous.  

Sadly, threatening death because you don't like someone isn't limited to religious extremists in Pakistan.  Canadian transgensder Stefonknee Wolscht went into hiding after recieving thousands of death threats; I bet a lot of these people were Christians.  I am really glad that in Canada, our laws and government is strong enough and liberal enough to better protect minorities than is the case in Pakistan. 

Not that specific link, but I have read one on the BBC this morning. My statement was with regard to motivation, though.  So often we see the rejoinder that "it's not about Islam", or "they don't represent Islam".  It's difficult to see such being appropriate in this case as it is so obviously about Islam, and only Islam.

I would never suggest that Pakistani blasphemers were the only ones who ever received death threats.

Edit> It was the same link.

Edited November 3, 2018 by bcsapper

[dialamah]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Not that specific link, but I have read one on the BBC this morning. My statement was with regard to motivation, though.  So often we see the rejoinder that "it's not about Islam", or "they don't represent Islam".  It's difficult to see such being appropriate in this case as it is so obviously about Islam, and only Islam.

I do agree that in this case, it would be their religious belief that has them reacting in such a despicable manner.  

I would never suggest that Pakistani blasphemers were the only ones who ever received death threats.

I didn't think you were. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Just curious if you read the link, since you so rarely do.

I did, and agree the reaction of the protesters is ridiculous.  

Sadly, threatening death because you don't like someone isn't limited to religious extremists in Pakistan.  Canadian transgensder Stefonknee Wolscht went into hiding after recieving thousands of death threats; I bet a lot of these people were Christians.  I am really glad that in Canada, our laws and government is strong enough and liberal enough to better protect minorities than is the case in Pakistan. 

 

Proving Goddess correct once again.

Defender of the Faith.

[scribblet]

http://www.friatider.se/mohammed-h-ktas-f-r-v-ldt-kten-mot-en-10-rig-flicka-i-malm

A 30-year-old 'Mohammed' was arrested for raping 10-year-old girl in a Swedish courtyard, but the thing is, he had been arrested and released more than once, previously.   Why was he not deported. 

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/11/30-year-old-mohammed-arrested-for-raping-10-year-old-girl-in-swedish-courtyard/

 

[Goddess]

On 11/3/2018 at 10:34 AM, dialamah said:

Sadly, threatening death because you don't like someone isn't limited to religious extremists in Pakistan.  Canadian transgensder Stefonknee Wolscht went into hiding after recieving thousands of death threats; I bet a lot of these people were Christians.

Your comparisons of one-off cases are ridonkulous.  If the entire country of Canada was rioting in the streets to have this transgender person brought out of hiding and killed publicly, then you could compare.  If the Catholic church of Canada was applauding this transgender person getting death threats, then you could compare.

The difference is that the entire country of Canada is not rioting to have this transgender person brought out of hiding and killed publicly.  And the Christian community at large, does not applaud death threats to transgender people.

 You can't see the difference between "there are a few fundie nutjobs in every religion" and "here is a country filled with fundie nutjobs, who have the backing of the government and the people."

You can't see it because in the end, it really doesn't matter what is done in the name of Islam, you defend it.

 

[dialamah]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

You can't see it because in the end, it really doesn't matter what is done in the name of Islam, you defend it.

Nice.  I bemoan the hatred that comes with religious extremists, while appreciating that in Canada, our government seeks to protect minorities and you declare that I am "defending Islam".

I said not one word about Islam and specifically condemned the protestors, calling them ridiculous and despicable.   

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On 11/3/2018 at 9:34 AM, dialamah said:

I did, and agree the reaction of the protesters is ridiculous. 

 

And here:

On 11/3/2018 at 10:10 AM, dialamah said:

I do agree that in this case, it would be their religious belief that has them reacting in such a despicable manner. 

Perhaps you will explain why you've twisted this into "defending Islam". 

[DogOnPorch]

18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Nice.  I bemoan the hatred that comes with religious extremists, while appreciating that in Canada, our government seeks to protect minorities and you declare that I am "defending Islam".

I said not one word about Islam and specifically condemned the protestors, calling them ridiculous and despicable.   

Here:

 

And here:

Perhaps you will explain why you've twisted this into "defending Islam". 

 

Islam is in no way a minority.

It's a religion and political system with over 1 billion people of all skin colours being cult members.

[Goddess]

26 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Perhaps you will explain why you've twisted this into "defending Islam". 

 

Why not just leave it at that: ridiculous and despicable? 

Because you must "defend" Islam by trying to equate an entire country wanting to execute someone for making fun of Mohammed with a one-off situation that neither the country, nor the mainstream churches in the country would ever go along with.

That's how you constantly "defend" Islam - by trying to make it seem like what Islamic countries are doing, is exactly like what is done in Canada.  It's not. By trying to make it seem like what's happening there is Normal behaviour for an entire country.  It's not.

Just leave it at ridiculous and despicable.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Goddess