eyeball Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) I'm not about to start reiterating the same thing over and over. Bad cops do bad things. Sometimes they kill people. What the hell does that have to do with the death penalty? It has to do with trolling. Catch and release. Over and over. Edited May 2, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 You said if people didn't have the guts to be there and do, they should shut up. I've got the guts, give me a there to be. We don't do that here anymore. Since '61. Quote
waldo Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 We don't do that here anymore. Since '61. of course, there will always be vigilante types willing to showcase their tough guy internet prowess in claiming a desire for "gettin sum" Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 It has to do with trolling. Catch and release. Over and over. True enough. I was trying to make some headway. A waste of time I guess. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 of course, there will always be vigilante types willing to showcase their tough guy internet prowess in claiming a desire for "gettin sum" Yes, could be "sum'ting" like that. Maybe we could arrange an online execution. Ya' know, drag some death row guy out of Texas or so and hook him up to the internet. When the time comes, it's just a matter of "ctl, alt, and then DELETE" Quote
dre Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Here's a couple of good reasons for not executing a known killer: 1. Killing is wrong (except in self defence) and two wrongs don't make a right 2. The death penalty lessens the value of life in society I can't think of any good reasons to support the death penalty. The only good reason is emotionalism. From a purely emotional standpoint Iv often felt when I see some terrible crime that the perpetrator should be made to suffer as bad as their victim... Its a fleeting thought though because I think. In reality capital punishment is terrible public policy, that serves no purpose at all. It does not reduce the ammount of capital crimes, and its very expensive. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bryan Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 We don't do that here anymore. Since '61. So what are you kicking about then? Quote
bleeding heart Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Another major problem with it, that any true-blue conservative should recognize instantly, is that it's the ultimate in statism; it's the final word in "Big Government." Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 By the way....are two opponents here actually discussing the "guts" it takes to kill a man strapped to a table? Oh, the courage! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Argus Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 My judgement of you stands. Do you honestly think anyone cares about the moral pronouncements of someone proud of his own ignorance? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Here's a couple of good reasons for not executing a known killer: 1. Killing is wrong (except in self defence) and two wrongs don't make a right 2. The death penalty lessens the value of life in society I can't think of any good reasons to support the death penalty. There is nothing wrong with the death penalty in certain cases, such as this. It can be fundamentally just and entirely deserving. The only issue I have generally is with the incompetence of our judicial systems in being sure of guilt. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 There isn't a civilized nation on the planet that uses the death penalty. I think that sometimes individuals are so utterly devoid of humanity that they remove themselves from any consideration we ought normally provide for human beings. This individual was such a case. Killing him was akin to vermin extermination. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I think that sometimes individuals are so utterly devoid of humanity that they remove themselves from any consideration we ought normally provide for human beings. This individual was such a case. Killing him was akin to vermin extermination. I agree...it was actually the "civilized" thing to do. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 By the way....are two opponents here actually discussing the "guts" it takes to kill a man strapped to a table? Oh, the courage! That was actually brought up by Mr. Pacifist. It was his claim it took 'guts' to do it. Like the rest of his claims its ridiculous, of course. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Ask Robert Dziekański...oh wait..he is dead. Gutless bs ?Ask Rodney King or the Students at Kent State....oh wait...they're dead. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I think that sometimes individuals are so utterly devoid of humanity that they remove themselves from any consideration we ought normally provide for human beings. This individual was such a case. Killing him was akin to vermin extermination.The Nazis also thought killing the Jews was vermin extermination. When you start to consider other human beings vermin, you've lost your own humanity. Quote
Shady Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Ask Rodney King or the Students at Kent State....oh wait...they're dead. What does Rodney King accidently drowning in a swimming pool have to do with anything? Quote
guyser Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Past mistakes are not a good reason to stop doing the right thing. Doing the wrong thing is a reason to keep doing the wrong thing then? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 The Nazis also thought killing the Jews was vermin extermination. When you start to consider other human beings vermin, you've lost your own humanity. Godwin's Law proven yet again ! "Society" kills other human beings in many ways, starting with abortions. So "civilized". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I'm not about to start reiterating the same thing over and over. Bad cops do bad things. Sometimes they kill people. What the hell does that have to do with the death penalty?Nothing but a fruitless troll by the resident troller. They have nothing in common but to interject because poor widdle america got picked on. They even printed that news in Minneapolic Tribune, state controlled and funded newspaper. Quote
guyser Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 of course, there will always be vigilante types willing to showcase their tough guy internet prowess in claiming a desire for "gettin sum"You have that right ! The problem here is the State shouldnt be killing anyone for crimes committed. But as sadi before, if the injured party did this to the perp, well.....my give a shit meter is broken then. Quote
guyser Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 "Society" kills other human beings in many ways, starting with abortions. So "civilized". Someone has no clue what a human is. Troll away as is your want. Quote
-TSS- Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Do you remember the news-pictures 25 years ago when Ceaucescu was executed in Romania? They measured his blood pressure before the execution. I wonder were they checking if he was fit enough to be shot. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 The Nazis also thought killing the Jews was vermin extermination. When you start to consider other human beings vermin, you've lost your own humanity. and let's not forget Al Queda, who think everybody who's not Al Queda are vermin. So I guess we must excuse them for 9/11. In their mind they were just cleansing the earth. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Do you remember the news-pictures 25 years ago when Ceaucescu was executed in Romania? They measured his blood pressure before the execution. I wonder were they checking if he was fit enough to be shot. I do recall that. and I'm also told they use an alcohol swab on the area they are about to jab that last needle into you. Worrying about infection at that point is probably not necessary, but it's good to keep up appearances. And as I write this something a bit less "black humorish" comes to mind. As I recall from the news, the head dude at the prison ordered the execution to be stopped after they realized the had botched it, then I wonder if/why he wasn't given proper medical attention. Perhaps he was doomed anyway, but I wonder what ensued after that order was given. Some time went by before the heart attack apparently and there would obviously be medical staff present. Any thoughts? Quote
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