Toronto Municipal Election Thread 2014

guyser · July 22, 2014

But he's a Conservative and the blue tie crowd sticks together.

Not so sure about that. The Conservatives want nothing to do with him his deranged bro and their actions, politically and personally.

Who cares if the man is a lying, self destructive, bully, with poor policy ideas that has harmed TO's reputation?

Well he is all that, but I wouldnt necessarily put that on all Conservatives.

Mighty AC · July 22, 2014

Well he is all that, but I wouldnt necessarily put that on all Conservatives.

I don't blame cons for the RoFo's actions, choices and personal habbits...just for defending him for so long and for those that continue to support him. For too long they acted as enablers and echoed his lies and factually unsupported claims. Edited July 22, 2014 by Mighty AC

guyser · July 22, 2014

I don't blame cons for the RoFo's actions, choices and personal habbits...just for defending him for so long and for those that continue to support him. For too long they acted as enablers and echoed his lies and factually unsupported claims.

Im pretty sure that once they realized the scope of things he was up to they stepped away rather quickly.

I recall Harpers minions keeping them far apart at some function/picnic/fundraiser. There was to be no photos .

Flaherty was a personal friend of RoFo's dad, he really had no choice but to support him, however he is on the record saying that RoFo was doing wrong things.

Mighty AC · July 23, 2014

I agree that other con politicians rode him while he was hot and then jumped ship rather quickly but I am really referring to the voters that continued to defend him and support him.

Boges · July 23, 2014

All three statistically tied.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2014/07/23/new-opinion-poll-shows-dead-heat-in-toronto-mayoral-race

Chow and Tory are pissy that Ford Fest was granted a permit because they say it's a defacto campaign event.

Black Dog · July 23, 2014

All three statistically tied.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2014/07/23/new-opinion-poll-shows-dead-heat-in-toronto-mayoral-race

Man, I'd be worried if I had any faith whatsoever in Forum's methodology.

Boges · August 11, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/08/olivia-chow-john-tory-rob-ford-toronto-poll_n_5661641.html

A new poll suggests John Tory has taken the lead in the Toronto mayoral race, with Olivia Chow dropping into third.

The survey, conducted by Forum Research for the Toronto Star and interviewing 1,268 Torontonians by interactive voice response on August 5 and 6, found Tory to have the support of 35 per cent of respondents, a gain of seven points since Forum's last poll of July 21. Rob Ford was second with 27 per cent, unchanged, while Chow had slipped four points to 25 per cent.

David Soknacki had five per cent support, followed by Karen Stintz at four per cent, while two per cent said they would vote for another candidate, and the remaining two per cent was undecided.

Chow in 3rd?

Edited August 11, 2014 by Boges

Derek 2.0 · August 11, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/08/olivia-chow-john-tory-rob-ford-toronto-poll_n_5661641.html

Chow in 3rd?

I'm surprised Ford is still in the running.......is there a potential for a vote split between Tory & Ford, that could see Chow come up the middle? Or are Ford and Tory that different?

Boges · August 11, 2014

I'm surprised Ford is still in the running.......is there a potential for a vote split between Tory & Ford, that could see Chow come up the middle? Or are Ford and Tory that different?

That was the conventional wisdom leading into the campaign. But Chow doesn't automatically appeal to everyone on the left. It seems Tory is set to be getting a lot of the middle on both sides of the political spectrum.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Boges

Derek 2.0 · August 11, 2014

That was the conventional wisdom leading into the campaign. But Chow doesn't automatically appeal to anyone on the left. It seems Tory is set to be getting a lot of the middle on both sides of the political spectrum.

That's what I was leaning towards...........I don't follow Ontario politics that much, but from what I understand, Tory is more of a Red-Tory....From the little I've heard about the Chow effort (namely her proposed handgun ban), it sounds underwhelming.

Black Dog · August 11, 2014

I've read enough about Forum's methodology and sampling to view their polls with skepticism. I'd be genuinely surprised if Ford cracks 20% in the actual election.

Black Dog · August 13, 2014

Left wing socialists at U of T school of economics publish report on Toronto's fiscal health

Pretty much shuts down every single Rob Ford talking point: city doesn't have a spending problem, taxes are low and growing slowly, the debt is modest and manageable, but new investment in infrastructure is needed, which will require new sources of revenue. Be interesting to see if any of the candidates pick up on this.

PIK · August 13, 2014

Chow's arrogance can turn people off. When she ripped ford and tory for being millaires, when I would bet she is one herself.

Boges · August 20, 2014

Warren Kinsella, who's working for Chow, implied John Tory is racist because his transit plan doesn't go near Jane and Finch and Rexdale.

Chow's going to have to do more than call Kinsella a "volunteer". She'll have to separate herself from him. If he can be linked to her going forward it will look very bad for her.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Boges

Boges · August 21, 2014

Karen Stintz.

Black Dog · August 21, 2014

Karen Stintz.

Are you surprised? Continuing a campaign when you're polling in the single digits is just throwing good money after bad.

Boges · August 28, 2014

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/08/28/john_tory_leads_rob_ford_gaining_ground_in_new_poll.html

Forum Research’s automated phone survey of 1,945 Torontonians conducted Monday and Tuesday is certain to send shock waves through campaigns preparing for the critical post-Labour Day push to the Oct. 27 civic election.

“It looks like Rob Ford is on the comeback trail and although John Tory still has the lead, it is narrowing,” said Forum president Lorne Bozinoff.

The polarizing mayor’s rebound follows the crack cocaine scandal that made global headlines, city council stripping him of his powers, a rehab stint, his ongoing refusal to be interviewed by police about an extortion case involving the crack video, and lingeringconflict-of-interest allegations.

Yeah I know Forum is a joke blah blah blah. 1,900 is a lot larger of a sample size than those "traditional" pollsters generally use.

That's an un-ignorable trend though. Second poll that has RoFo in second. Chow is trailing off.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Boges

BubberMiley · August 28, 2014

That's an un-ignorable trend though.

And not really surprising. He suits the money-focused poor-me, victimhood culture of modern-day conservatives perfectly.

Boges · August 28, 2014

And not really surprising. He suits the money-focused poor-me, victimhood culture of modern-day conservatives perfectly.

Considering Tory is a right of centre candidate and he's leading some of Ford's support has to come from Chow supporters, somehow.

It doesn't fit a narrative that Ford owns blithering idiot conservatives. Ford does seems to do very well with minorities even though he's pilloried as a racist.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Boges

BubberMiley · August 28, 2014

Ford does seems to do very well with minorities even though he's pilloried as a racist.

Minorities can't be conservative?

Boges · August 28, 2014

Minorities can't be conservative?

I thought all conservatives were Old Angry White Men. :unsure:

Boges · August 28, 2014

The important question isn't Why is Ford doing well? I still don't see him winning. The important question is Why is Chow tanking?

On the surface she's the only real liberal candidate.

Black Dog · August 28, 2014

The important question isn't Why is Ford doing well? I still don't see him winning. The important question is Why is Chow tanking?

On the surface she's the only real liberal candidate.

She hasn't campaigned like it. She's done very little to distinguish herself from Tory in this race.

Boges · August 28, 2014

She hasn't campaigned like it. She's done very little to distinguish herself from Tory in this race.

Other than allowing her campaign manager to call him racist?

If "Liberals" stay home because they don't see a candidate that appeals to them that's an excellent recipe for Ford More Years!

What is she missing? What are the issues, other than transit she's not addressing?

waldo · August 28, 2014

Other than allowing her campaign manager to call him racist?

the person you're alluding to is/was not Chow's campaign manager... I double-dog dare you to update your post with the guy's name. No worries... all those claims of him being highly litigious are overblown - trust me!