WestCoastRunner Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I'm not responding to you anymore. I need the moderators to intervene. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 This is an important point, that is echoed in many other places. I see it a lot at the gym. My daughter and I both train Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and the topic always comes up that we need to find ways to get more women to train martial arts. My answer is always "why?". We need people who are interested in the sport to come, sure. But what gender they are is irrelevant. Some want to change the conditions and culture boith at the gym and of the sport in general to make it more "female friendly". In doing so, they are alienating the people (make and female) who already like it for what it is, AND people who are not interested still don't want to come. You can't make people like something they don't, and you shouldn't take things that others do like away from them. Let people do what they want to do where they want to do it. I studied Japanese traditional Wado Ryu karate for 3 years. Roughy half the 40 or so karate ka were female. Nobody was making anybody there like something they didnt like. Aside from the physical health benefits, the camaraderie between genders was so worthwhile. Quote
poochy Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Doing what we can to encourage women to join this forum is certainly not silly. They are already equally encouraged by free access to it's existence and by their equal ability to find and sign up for it if they so choose. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 They are already equally encouraged by free access to it's existence and by their equal ability to find and sign up for it if they so choose. Exactly. I don't see what adding topics with women in the heading would accomplish. Quote
poochy Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I studied Japanese traditional Wado Ryu karate for 3 years. Roughy half the 40 or so karate ka were female. Nobody was making anybody there like something they didnt like. Aside from the physical health benefits, the camaraderie between genders was so worthwhile. That's great, this forum is free to use, and easy to find, surely women don't need help doing either of those things, if more of them wished to be here they would be. No one has said that women should not join, the argument is against the idea that there is something wrong with the forum, that something needs to change in order to attract more women, it's simply a politics forum, i don't see anything that screams FOR MEN when i read it. The idea that we must change everything in our society over some imagined wrong is all too pervasive, the fact is that there are very few men who bother to talk politics regularly, there also happens to be very few, and somewhat fewer women than men who seem interested. This is not a problem in need of a solution, it's just reality. I read the rabble forum on occasion, a further to the left forum you will not find, and im pretty sure that there are more men posting there as well. This is not a thing. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I studied Japanese traditional Wado Ryu karate for 3 years. Roughy half the 40 or so karate ka were female. Nobody was making anybody there like something they didnt like. Aside from the physical health benefits, the camaraderie between genders was so worthwhile. You're again using anecdotes to try to make your point. It's still great that you agree with me - people should come here and discuss things because they like the subject. They should do it without having to be conned into it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 You're again using anecdotes to try to make your point. It's still great that you agree with me - people should come here and discuss things because they like the subject. They should do it without having to be conned into it. And your theory about anybody being conned... Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 And your theory about anybody being conned... You can't artificially make someone like something. You can't make them think it's something else they do like when it's not. Quote
Bryan Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I studied Japanese traditional Wado Ryu karate for 3 years. Roughy half the 40 or so karate ka were female. Nobody was making anybody there like something they didnt like. Aside from the physical health benefits, the camaraderie between genders was so worthwhile. Those are the kinds of discussions that happen -- that jiu-jitsu should be more like karate. Karate already exists for those who like their martial arts structured that way. If that's what they want, they should go do that. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 You can't artificially make someone like something. You can't make them think it's something else they do like when it's not. You can throw down the welcome mat. Nothing more complicated than that for you to worry over. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Those are the kinds of discussions that happen -- that jiu-jitsu should be more like karate. Karate already exists for those who like their martial arts structured that way. If that's what they want, they should go do that. I fail to see a point here. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 You can throw down the welcome mat. Nothing more complicated than that for you to worry over. It's already down. Anyone is free to join at any time. That's why the idea is bad. It's trying to compel interest that just isn't there. Quote
Bryan Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I fail to see a point here. What is it you don't understand? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 What is it you don't understand? Apparently you are trying to say something about 2 different forms of martial arts. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Apparently you are trying to say something about 2 different forms of martial arts. He doesn't want to turn jujitsu into karate in the hope that people that like karate will suddenly be fooled into liking jujitsu. He's using it as a metaphor for this website and theoretical changes. It's pretty simple. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 He doesn't want to turn jujitsu into karate in the hope that people that like karate will suddenly be fooled into liking jujitsu. He's using it as a metaphor for this website and theoretical changes. It's pretty simple. Its pretty flimsy is what it is. But just drift in any case. Quote
Bryan Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 It's not drift. It directly relates to the suggestion that WestCoastRunner was making to change the way things operate around here to attract a segment of people who have not shown a great deal of interest in this site. The example is directly germane as well. Another group that also is not attracting a high percentage of one demographic, even though they are not excluding them in any way. The suggestions there were also to change it so that it resembles something else that those particular people already do attend in higher numbers. In both instances, and in many others that could be listed, no one is being excluded. Some people are just interested in things that others are not. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 A couple of questions at play here: Whether/how-to attract women to the site. I'm wondering what topics would be of interest to them. I think "gender politics" certainly seem to get interest on here, and in the general public too. Is that potentially a subject ? Moderator intervention. If you feel the rules have been broken, then report the post, disengage and move on. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 It's already down. Anyone is free to join at any time. That's why the idea is bad. It's trying to compel interest that just isn't there. Gee and why wouldn't they jump at the opportunity to discuss issues with the company of people like you and the others here who show a blatant disregard for women's issues. It's really unfathomable. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) A couple of questions at play here: Whether/how-to attract women to the site. I'm wondering what topics would be of interest to them. I think "gender politics" certainly seem to get interest on here, and in the general public too. Is that potentially a subject ? Moderator intervention. If you feel the rules have been broken, then report the post, disengage and move on. There should certainly be a forum on gender and sexuality and not this sub-forum crap. Edited March 30, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) A couple of questions at play here: Whether/how-to attract women to the site. I'm wondering what topics would be of interest to them. I think "gender politics" certainly seem to get interest on here, and in the general public too. Is that potentially a subject ? I don't want to speak for WCR, however it seems likely this would not be a subject of interest. Gender denotes all genders, the impression I get is that she is looking for subjects particular to only the female gender. I suspect male involvment would not necessarily be welcome as evidenced in her attempt to start a woman specific topic and her subsequent criticism of the resulting male input: Now, I expect some of the men here will come back with 'start a topic in the regular categories'. Well, I did that and did anyone notice the responses? They were clearly sexist and did not contribute at all to the topic being raised. If responses to such a topic is going to be greeted with accusation and contempt, things will likely go off the rails fast, as they have with this thread. Even the moderator trying to figure out what she is looking for to try and accommodate is met with contempt... Forgive me but she was asked many times to offer explanations for her cluttered idea. Her idea is not very good and that much should be obvious on the face of it. She is asking for the forum to be a structural and aesthetic mess. This isn't even worth responding to. It is an attack on a suggestion for an improvement to increase membership. You are taking this suggestion personally as far as I can tell.... You should probably respect the posters here who comment in this section instead of ridiculing and showing little regard for concerns that are posted in this section. Members post here because they give a dam about this forum. Because of that, show a little respect. It's reactionary crap like this that is the main reason I post very little on this site any more. If a simple request for clarification is met with such blunt close-mindedness, imagine what reponse to actual measured debate would look like. Actually, no need to imagine, just review the last few pages of this thread. Edited March 30, 2015 by Spiderfish Quote
Argus Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I honestly don't understand the abhorrence that has been displayed towards suggestions for categories such as: Women in Politics or Women in Science and Technologies No abhorrence I can see, just a belief you wouldn't find much of anything to discuss. Women in Science and technologies? When was the last time anyone discussed ANYONE in science and technologies? It's not exactly a popular topic. Women in politics? Aside from a couple of premiers I can't think of any women in politics that merit much discussion. Mind you there aren't many men worthy of discussion either. The tendency here is to discuss political issues, not particular politicians, unless there's a scandal of some sort. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 I don't want to speak for WCR, however it seems likely this would not be a subject of interest. Gender denotes all genders, the impression I get is that she is looking for subjects particular to only the female gender.I get that but I also thinks she is more geared to women posting and how can we accomplish that? This site is free to join,free to participate . Both sexes can. If women dont...?...what can we do? Even the moderator trying to figure out what she is looking for to try and accommodate is met with contempt...That was a baiting BS post by the mod. It drips with sarcasm and is no surprise to many of us that it does so. That said, I join the many that have no idea what WCC is trying to accomplish. If women want, they can post. Can we make a Gender section or a section devoted to womens issues? We could, but is the egg or the chicken first ? Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 That was a baiting BS post by the mod. It drips with sarcasm and is no surprise to many of us that it does so. And yet she's begging for a lifeline from the same moderator 2 pages later after getting confused by irrational responses she posed to her opponent about his age and then trying to recover with insult. Seems there's plenty of baiting, sarcasm and insult to go around, no doubt the result of basing the foundation of one's arguement on emotional reaction rather than the object of the debate. Quote
jacee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Posted March 30, 2015 Is anyone else having a problem with notifications of responses? Usually the red flag disappears when I look at the notifications, but lately it stays on and is just accumulating higher numbers instead of resetting. Quote
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