ironstone Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Ever look at how much debt our current government has racked up after being handed a surplus by the previous Liberals? And watch it grow even bigger if they happen to get back to this F35 debacle. Ever noticed how many scandals we have had to endure under Harper? I do agree on one thing though, at least PET had a brain. Do all the so called "scandals" of the Harper government surpass the scandals of the previous Liberal regime?Can you name one Harper scandal that was worse than Adscam,where tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were stolen by Liberals?Most of which has not been recovered I believe. In my opinion,the media has set the bar quite high for the Conservatives,unlike the low standard which is set for the Liberals and NDP. I hope Harper stays on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Do all the so called "scandals" of the Harper government surpass the scandals of the previous Liberal regime?Can you name one Harper scandal that was worse than Adscam,where tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were stolen by Liberals?Most of which has not been recovered I believe. In my opinion,the media has set the bar quite high for the Conservatives,unlike the low standard which is set for the Liberals and NDP. I hope Harper stays on. You mean at least until we recover the $3.1b that Harper can't account for!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 You mean at least until we recover the $3.1b that Harper can't account for! . http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/28/john-ivison-the-3-1-billion-conservative-boondoggle-that-never-was/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/28/john-ivison-the-3-1-billion-conservative-boondoggle-that-never-was/ Don't waste your time with her, she has been told that already. But she is one of these people that like to keep using stuff that has been proven false. That is all she has . Some day when she grows up she will realize what we have been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Do all the so called "scandals" of the Harper government surpass the scandals of the previous Liberal regime?Can you name one Harper scandal that was worse than Adscam,where tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were stolen by Liberals?Most of which has not been recovered I believe. In my opinion,the media has set the bar quite high for the Conservatives,unlike the low standard which is set for the Liberals and NDP. I hope Harper stays on. I can name at least one without right off the top of my head. How about contempt of parliament. And then have you listened to QP oh let's say anytime since May? I can't recall any scandal that has had more legs than senate pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 You mean at least until we recover the $3.1b that Harper can't account for! . Oh don't worry. Harper assured us it wasn't misspent. They just kinda don't know where it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Oh don't worry. Harper assured us it wasn't misspent. They just kinda don't know where it went. It kinda went to 'the Ministers' ... they think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 It kinda went to 'the Ministers' ... they think. 3.1 billion here, 3.1 billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money. I wonder if 90k of that didn't have Mike Duffy on the "pay to the order of" line. No scandals here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/28/john-ivison-the-3-1-billion-conservative-boondoggle-that-never-was/ And you don't think 3.1 billion in mis-managed funds is not a concern????? If this guy worked for any corporation, he would be immediately fired, and the RCMP would be called in to investigate! This is called "economic incompetence"! These guys have proven to be the worst custodians of the Canadian economy! We can not afford to have the Keystone cops in charge anymore! Boot them out already. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Oh don't worry. Harper assured us it wasn't misspent. They just kinda don't know where it went. No.....it was actually the Auditor General who assured us. You and Jacee know full well that if there was anything to this issue at all, the opposition and media would be all over it. They aren't....because there is nothing to talk about. Do you guys just not read? Edited December 25, 2013 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 No.....it was actually the Auditor General who assured us. You and Jacee know full well that if there was anything to this issue at all, the opposition and media would be all over it. They aren't....because there is nothing to talk about. Do you guys just not read? I think the Liberals are mum as they know there's mud in there that'll stick to them. As for Mulcair, I'm sure he's being advised by his image consultants that his popularity is rising with the Senate garbage, so don't screw with the recipe lest you be left with a collapsed soufflé. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 No.....it was actually the Auditor General who assured us. You and Jacee know full well that if there was anything to this issue at all, the opposition and media would be all over it. They aren't....because there is nothing to talk about. Do you guys just not read? Don't worry Keepitsimple, this 3.1 billion misplacement of tax dollars is going to resurface after the conservatives are dragged through their other scandals! It's kind of hard to keep up with the conservatives actually. 2013 was a "puppy mill" type of year for the conservatives pumping out scandal after scandal! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Don't worry Keepitsimple, this 3.1 billion misplacement of tax dollars is going to resurface after the conservatives are dragged through their other scandals! It's kind of hard to keep up with the conservatives actually. 2013 was a "puppy mill" type of year for the conservatives pumping out scandal after scandal! WWWTT Worry? The only worry that I have is that there is no credible opposition to the Conservatives. This country works best when there are at least two capable parties that have the potential to govern - and lead the country - especially in these times. Sure I lean Conservative these days - but I've been known to be a swing voter at times - given the right circumstances. Personally, I have to write off the NDP as more of a niche or protest party. Canada has always had the potential for greatness - a balanced beacon in the world - a blending of practical social programs to protect the truly vulnerable with the business and personal freedom to excel and prosper. The NDP ideology distributes wealth but does little to help create it. It's a party of the lowest common denominator. The Liberals on the other hand - since Chretien left, have never taken the time to define themselves and are now left with an inexperienced and lets face the bold truth - incapable leader. They also have a threadbare presence with only 40 seats and very little talent to choose from with the exception of the old guard. In summary, it's healthy for non-partisan Canadians to head into an election with truly viable options. They are really not there and until the Left merges - like the Right has done, I can't see a definitive choice for Canadians that reduces the polarization. Having said all that - Merry Christmas to all and happy holidays. Edited December 25, 2013 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) No.....it was actually the Auditor General who assured us. You and Jacee know full well that if there was anything to this issue at all, the opposition and media would be all over it. They aren't....because there is nothing to talk about. Do you guys just not read?Oh I read it ... It just didn't tell us anything!Just more obfuscation: 246-million was transferred from Citizenship and Immigration to the new Canadian Border Services Agency but the money was not identified as being part of the Public Security and Anti-Terrorism Initiative envelope. If I recall correctly, at G8/G20 time $8m for "border security" was spent in Muskoka by Tony Clement in political payoff 'beautification' projects for Mayors - gazebos and such - personally chosen by Clement. It's reasonable then to assume that the other Ministers demanded similar pork barrel funds, and the $3.1b was distributed to the Ministers. Prove me wrong ... show me evidence that $3.1b was spent for "security". There's no accounting of what was actually purchased/staffed/built with any of that money! The only thing the Auditor-General is now able to tell us is roughly how much money went to each of Harper's Ministers, NOT what $3.1b of our money actually bought! And btw ... I noticed that the article has now been altered: Originally it indicated that $1.2b was still unaccounted for, but that info has now been removed ... due to political pressure I assume? . Edited December 25, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Prove me wrong ... show me evidence that $3.1b was spent for "security". There's no accounting of what was actually purchased/staffed/built with any of that money! The only thing the Auditor-General is now able to tell us is roughly how much money went to each of Harper's Ministers, NOT what $3.1b of our money actually bought! And btw ... I noticed that the article has now been altered: Originally it indicated that $1.2b was still unaccounted for, but that info has now been removed ... due to political pressure I assume? . The Auditor General has spoken. The money is not missing......but playing your game puts most of the "theft" in the Liberals' hands. The $3.1 billion was for anti-terrorism safeguards between 2000 and 2010. Conservatives took power in 2006. Additionally, it follows that most of the funds were allocated in the first half of the decade. So the question is - why do you - as an uber-partisan Liberal, insist on raising an issue of corruption and theft that clearly falls mostly at the feet of the Liberals? Edited December 25, 2013 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) The Auditor General has spoken. The money is not missing....What did it buy?..but playing your game puts most of the "theft" in the Liberals' hands. The $3.1 billion was for anti-terrorism safeguards between 2000 and 2010. Conservatives took power in 2006. Additionally, it follows that most of the funds were allocated in the first half of the decade.Link? I haven't seen any evidence of that.So the question is - why do you - as an uber-partisan Liberal, ... Good grief! Where on earth did you get that odd idea!?! Edited December 26, 2013 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I believe the 2006 election, "in and out scam" of the Tories spent $230,198.00 more than Election Canada would allow and therefore, they had advantage over the other parties. Then there was the bribe of Cadman for a vote, which Cadman's wife and daughter said was true, then the wife changed her mind and was elected to the Tories. The in and out scam, they were found guilty and took a plea and a fine to avoid jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Link? I haven't seen any evidence of that. What are you disputing? 1) That the $3.1 billion was distributed over 10 years, 6 of which had the Liberals in power? 2) That after 9/11, it makes sense that a larger share of the funds would probably have been spent during those 6 years? As I said, why do you keep flogging a fake issue that only serves to further soil your Liberals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I think we should go get Rex Murphy and drag him kicking and screaming to Ottawa and make him be PM. Then we grab Niel Young and Joni and let them have a say. They all know what it's like to be poor, and they all know what it's like to be rich. And they are all smart and creative. And I think they all love the things that make Canada a great place to live. So let them have a go at running it. What do ya say? Being an entertainer would qualify you for the task of running for government, but not the task of actually operating it. No, thanks. I don't need old has-been activists and news broadcasters running the finances of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 He was evidently communicative enough and convincing enough to lead his party to a majority in the Commons. As for the rest of what you say above, you're describing pretty well every political leader there ever was. Lies can be communicated convincingly (as politicians and voters alike know). As with Chretien, Harper won because of the lack of quality of his opponents. His communication skills, his non-existent charisma, his dull speaking voice, and the ineffective campaign commercials the Conservatives ran would not have won a majority against a stronger opponent. The same can be said about Chretien. He faced weak, divided opposition for most of his reign or his incompetence and corruption would have seen him out of office far sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I can name at least one without right off the top of my head. How about contempt of parliament. And then have you listened to QP oh let's say anytime since May? I can't recall any scandal that has had more legs than senate pay off. You think the degree of guilt is decided by how much the opposition focuses on an issue? That Mulcair continues to focus on the senate merely demonstrates his lack of imagination, not to mention a lack of ability or interest in the real problems of this nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 You think the degree of guilt is decided by how much the opposition focuses on an issue? That Mulcair continues to focus on the senate merely demonstrates his lack of imagination, not to mention a lack of ability or interest in the real problems of this nation. Bingo on that one Argus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 You think the degree of guilt is decided by how much the opposition focuses on an issue? That Mulcair continues to focus on the senate merely demonstrates his lack of imagination, not to mention a lack of ability or interest in the real problems of this nation. It wasn't the opposition who found him "in contempt" I pay for that parliament and I feel contemptous about people who disregard it the way Harper did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 It wasn't the opposition who found him "in contempt" I pay for that parliament and I feel contemptous about people who disregard it the way Harper did And it sounds like you are blaming Mulcair for holding Harper's nose to the grindstone because he won't answer any questions about a scandal that has held up the government since May. Here are 2 simple questions "who wrote the check, who knew about the check" Those seem simple enough even for Harper to answer. Oh well, the RCMP will find out at great expense to the taxpayer. I really want to see Harper on the witness stand under oath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 And you don't think 3.1 billion in mis-managed funds is not a concern????? If this guy worked for any corporation, he would be immediately fired, and the RCMP would be called in to investigate! This is called "economic incompetence"! These guys have proven to be the worst custodians of the Canadian economy! We can not afford to have the Keystone cops in charge anymore! Boot them out already. WWWTT http://ezralevant.com/2013/09/liberal-luminary.html Gee I can't wait till she becomes our next finance minister. Can you say with a straight face,that Canada would be in better shape now under Justin Trudeau or Socialist leader Tom Mulcair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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