bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 And if you think not having access to healthcare because you don't have a lot of money, is funny, then you mkust be American! Frankly, I think many Canadians are obsessed with health care, not because it is any better in Canada, but because it helps them define an identity apart from the Americans. Poor Americans can readily access health care much faster than Canadians because of goverment programs like Medicaid, Medicare, V.A., SCHIP, etc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Losing your house, your savings and all the rest because you happen to get sick won't work for most Canadians. Then just pay all your savings up front in taxes. If Canadians like that....stay in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Then just pay all your savings up front in taxes. If Canadians like that....stay in Canada. Canadians enjoy paying less tax overall than Americans. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Canadians enjoy paying less tax overall than Americans. Sure...that's why they drive hundreds of kilometers to cross border shop in the "states".... it's in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms....to be able to shop in America. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Sure...that's why they drive hundreds of kilometers to cross border shop in the "states".... it's in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms....to be able to shop in America. No it's because prices are cheaper in the US because there are about ten times the population there with about the same land mass so volumes of scale come into play as well as distribution costs. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 No it's because prices are cheaper in the US because there are about ten times the population there with about the same land mass so volumes of scale come into play as well as distribution costs. So who is paying less "overall" ? Might want to rethink that idea..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 These ideas that Canadians pay ridiculous amounts of tax vis a vis the US are just that, ridiculous. As perviously stated, there are certain geographical realities that enter into the tally, but they are totally overwhelmed by the US penchant for waging foreighn wars. When I was in Afghanistan I discovered the cost at the time was in the neighborhood of 160 million a day. Multiply by ten years, that's a big number, and for what? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 The reality is that far more Canadians cross the border to shop in the U.S. I live close to the Canadian border, but there is absolutely no reason to drive into Canada to buy consumer goods. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 'Twas ever thus for reasons just mentioned. 350 million consumers will always get a better price than 35 million. Ain't got nuttin' to do with politics. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 'Twas ever thus for reasons just mentioned. 350 million consumers will always get a better price than 35 million. Ain't got nuttin' to do with politics. But it's not just price....it is also wider selection of consumer goods. Americans get more choices. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 But it's not just price....it is also wider selection of consumer goods. Americans get more choices. Of course, economy of scale once again. If I have ten times the audience I can bring in extra choices with a reasonable expectation of profit. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Of course, economy of scale once again. If I have ten times the audience I can bring in extra choices with a reasonable expectation of profit. So all of this merger talk is just so Canadians can have better shopping ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Of course Canadians like anybody else would welcome cheaper prices for the things they have to buy. However if Canada and the US merged tomorrow it wouldn't make Winnipeg and closer to Vancouver, or St. Johns any closer to Toronto. Somebody has to pay for the deisel in those trucks, planes, trains, to get the stuff there. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Canadians pay more but get less...not a good start for any kind of merger. Then there is the weather..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 So all of this merger talk is just so Canadians can have better shopping ! Not at all. Social issues are much more important. Here's an example. In order to save the taxpayer a few bucks in a certain county or district or however they make the boundaries, allowed certain commercial operations to set up shop within the schools to offset the tax burden. So, here you had a 14 year old student with a Macdonald's hamburger in one hand, a Krispy Kreme doughnut in the other, a 26 ounce Coke off to the side. He was 14 years old, well over 400 lbs., and about to have a heart attack I'm sure. When he does, who is going to pay for that and how much. Where will Mac's be then. Where will the brain dead idiots be who allowed this crap idea in the first place be? And if somebody does come to his aid, how much will that cost. Short term gain for long term pain. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Not at all. Social issues are much more important. .... Not sure what you mean by that, but it is still costing Canadians more out of their pockets. They get to pay more in taxes and retail costs for goods and services, still buy Big Macs and large Cokes, with profits going back to big American corporations. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 I guess my bottom line here if you want to call it that, is I think there are a few things we should do as a community without worrying about that soul destroying concept that everything must be doen for profit. Those things that come immediately to my mind are health, education, and welfare. I don't think we need to run hospitals for profit, nor schools, nor should we have Haliburton running contracts from the federal government to take care of those less fortunate. Selling cars, of course, reals estate, why not, etc., etc. But to harness everything to a profit concept is to bow down to tyrany not unlike what the soviets brought about. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 As I see it, national boundries today are more an idea that keeps people in place but not companies and their money. And not monied people either - they seem to be able to live wherever they want, and often do so to avoid taxes or regulations, such as Rupert Murdoch who became American in 1985 so that he could legally acquire US media assets. You are hinting at something much bigger. Corps are free to do what they want. You and I, do not have the same freedoms. Quote
jbg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 BTW we shut down the seal fir industry long ago. The seal slaughter is still going strong in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Canadians enjoy paying less tax overall than Americans. If Canadians are it is since they, similar to Europeans, have the luxury of the U.S. defense umbrella. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Canadians enjoy paying less tax overall than Americans. citation needed Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Florida is the last thing we need. Something like this could probably work.... Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 So I guess one world government is coming back. And we can have the waltons of walmart run the world. Some form of world governance eventually is inevitable. It's just a question of when. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Based on this map, it is clear that many Canadians have yet to even "merge" with most of Canada's sovereign territory. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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