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The Wire was indeed great, but low on humour. The Sopranos was everything, and Deadwood a close second. All three are great.

Breaking Bad was ok, but a little too conventional in its staging and ultimately it was pretty shallow when compared to the other examples. Mad Men perhaps missed its chance for greatness because it was too unconventional, heady, and unentertaining at times. It was my favourite though.

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The Wire was indeed great, but low on humour. The Sopranos was everything, and Deadwood a close second. All three are great.

Breaking Bad was ok, but a little too conventional in its staging and ultimately it was pretty shallow when compared to the other examples. Mad Men perhaps missed its chance for greatness because it was too unconventional, heady, and unentertaining at times. It was my favourite though.

I never saw the Sopranos, but I have to admit I hold Breaking Bad up there with Deadwood. I loved them both. Although both had dodgy endings.

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I never saw the Sopranos, but I have to admit I hold Breaking Bad up there with Deadwood. I loved them both. Although both had dodgy endings.

Deadwood didn't get a chance to end, I thought Breaking Bad ended exactly how it had to but I was a little disappointed with how the Sopranos wrapped up.

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Cops I know say The Wire was the best cop show, hands down.

That's the only reason I ever watched that show. An RCMP officer that was part of a research team that I was on said it was the most accurate police drama on television.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson

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I thought there were many funny moments in the Wire.

Bunk was hilarious often, in his drunken tirades with Jimmy. Bubbles and Herc were also pretty funny often.

I guess so. There was that one scene where that gang lady went to the Home Depot... But overall, it was glum...

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I decided to watch a couple episodes of The Newsroom because of that epic series opening scene that is on permanent Facebook repeat. I thought I found a winner after the first but then I watched the second and think I could be wasting time on a soap. So those that watched the series, should I stay or should I go?

Maybe there should be a best TV scenes evah thread...

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It is a soap, but a political soap much like much of Sorkins other series, The West Wing first and foremost.

Its a bully pulpit for Sorkins relentless Democrat/ lefty bully pulpit, and nobody ever shuts up-=but for all that it is entertaining.

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I decided to watch a couple episodes of The Newsroom because of that epic series opening scene that is on permanent Facebook repeat.

People thought that was "epic"? I thought it was one of the biggest steaming loads of reeking dog-turd I've ever seen. I guess people just didn't get enough of Sorkin's baby-boomer masturbatory self-congratulation from "West Wing".

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People thought that was "epic"? I thought it was one of the biggest steaming loads of reeking dog-turd I've ever seen. I guess people just didn't get enough of Sorkin's baby-boomer masturbatory self-congratulation from "West Wing".

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Cultural elitism, I love it ! I think that it's pretty sanctimonious and patronizing. I get this feeling when I watch things like that (I think the West Wing may have been like that too, but I only watched part of 1 episode) that I'm supposed to be surprised or shocked, but they're written for people who aren't really that well informed.

Ditto for House of Cards.

Are there any *good* political shows ? The future will reveal, soon, how corrupt our systems are and these shows will look so quaint since they don't cover any of that.

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Are there any *good* political shows ? The future will reveal, soon, how corrupt our systems are and these shows will look so quaint since they don't cover any of that.

Corruption is at the heart of both versions of House of Cards.

I'm not sure what you are looking for.

Both West Wing and The Newsroom are polar opposites of House of Cards. The former(s) have the perspective that in the end decent people are in charge, everything is OK and ultimately honour/decency will prevail.

House of Cards presumes that the whole thing is rotten and the principals are evil soulsucking bastards, all of them.

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Corruption is at the heart of both versions of House of Cards.

I'm not sure what you are looking for.

I only saw the American version and it did NOT deliver to my expectations.

Both West Wing and The Newsroom are polar opposites of House of Cards. The former(s) have the perspective that in the end decent people are in charge, everything is OK and ultimately honour/decency will prevail.

House of Cards presumes that the whole thing is rotten and the principals are evil soulsucking bastards, all of them.

Point of view, themes and so on can be an interesting aspect of shows. Certainly Deadwood had an interesting question at the heart of it, vis-a-vis the practicalities of human organization.

But if the story doesn't deliver then it doesn't matter. House of Cards is badly written, IMO.

Edited to add: I have only seen the American one.

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I just watched the first episode of "Marvel's Jessica Jones" on Netflix, and was pretty blown away.

Jessica is a private investigator. She lives and works in the crappy Hell's Kitchen neighborhood of New York City, struggling to find clients and pay rent. Her life is a disaster. She's severely alcoholic. She's haunted by flashbacks and suffering from PTSD. She hates pretty much everything, including herself.

She's also a former super-hero. She's super strong! She can lift cars! But she's a broken shell of a woman. In the first episode we learn that her life was shattered by an encounter with a super-villain who controlled her mind and ... well, we don't know the details yet, but she has never recovered from it. She self-medicates with alcohol and cut everyone from her life. She thought he was dead... but now he's back and he wants to torment her again.

This is is a far more adult program than the rest of the recent Marvel offerings (although, I say that without having seen Daredevil...) and I found it really gripping. I am definitely excited about watching the rest.

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This is is a far more adult program than the rest of the recent Marvel offerings ...

Or you could just watch a real grown-up show, with characters, dialogue... Anyway, sorry for the drive-by but let me ask: how many comic book shows do you watch ? Do you get sick of that kind of escapism or feel that you will ever move on ?

I like getting entertainment from diverse sources, which means I watch one action/comic book movie a year probably. The last pure comic book show I watched was, I believe, Iron Man or Iron Man 2. I don't remember hating it, but then again I couldn't tell you anything about that piece that you couldn't see on the poster.

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Or you could just watch a real grown-up show, with characters, dialogue... Anyway, sorry for the drive-by but let me ask: how many comic book shows do you watch ? Do you get sick of that kind of escapism or feel that you will ever move on ?

I like getting entertainment from diverse sources, which means I watch one action/comic book movie a year probably. The last pure comic book show I watched was, I believe, Iron Man or Iron Man 2. I don't remember hating it, but then again I couldn't tell you anything about that piece that you couldn't see on the poster.

This is the only "comic book" show I'm currently watching. And calling it that is really inaccurate, because it's definitely not a comic book show. There's no overt connection to the "Marvel" brand, other than their name on the marquee and that this is apparently based on a little-known series they published some time ago. There's no costumes, no super-punchouts. With a few minor tweaks all the sci-fi elements could easily be removed and this could be a detective story about a psychologically broken woman trying to recover her life. She has surreptitiously used her super-strength a few times, but it's mostly to emphasize to the viewer that she used to be something more.

Some time ago in the movies thread, we were talking about how the superhero movies never talk about what happens afterward. They level half of New York or Metropolis or Nova City trying to stop the bad-guys, they win the day, and nobody ever thinks about what happens to all the people who've been left homeless or jobless or maimed or killed in all the destruction. In Jessica Jones we get the opposite... when we meet her the "bad guy" is already gone and Jessica is dealing with the aftermath... she's still living in terror.

I have followed many of the Marvel movies and TV programs, and perhaps their name on the marquee made me more inclined to give this a chance. But for the most part it was word-of-mouth and buzz on sites like RottenTomatoes that got me interested.

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The Cinemax/HBO Canada show The Knick is really good.

Steven Soderbergh's show about a turn of the 20th Century hospital in New York dealing with the forefront of surgery at the time. It's quite graphic at times. Like most premium cable shows these days it's full of Sex, Drugs and Violence. It's very good though.

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So with "Blind Spot" up on blocks until late February and having finished Jessica Jones, I went looking for something new to watch. I came up with ... iZombie.

The premise of the show is delightfully silly. A promising med school intern, Olivia "Liv" Moore (she's "Liv Moore", get it?) is at a party where a ZOMBIE RAMPAGE suddenly occurs. She's infected! She's dead! Except, she isn't. Everybody else thinks the attack at the party was a psychotic episode by drug-users under the influence of bad drugs, and is unaware of the existence of zombies. Liv is determined to keep her newly dead state a secret. She's able to hold off the degenerative effects of the zombie disease as long as she eats brains regularly. Her skin and hair have turned chalky white, but as long as she eats brains regularly, she gets to keep her mind and can pass for a living person.

With an eye towards finding a reliable source of brains, she quits her hospital internship to take a job as the medical examiner's assistant at the Seattle police department morgue. She also dumps her fiance and becomes isolated from her friends and family, who attribute her drastic changes to PTSD caused by the attack. Her boss, the medical examiner, is the only one who knows her secret.

It gets even sillier. When she eats someone's brain, she temporarily takes on some of the former owner's skills, personality traits, outlook, and memories. Given that the brains she feeds on come from corpses in the police morgue, it's inevitable that some of them come from murder victims. As a result, her borrowed memories can help bring murderers to justice. With the encouragement of her boss ("you've eaten her brain... the least you can do is help find her killer...") she forms a partnership with a homicide detective who becomes convinced that she's a real honest-to-goodness psychic, and her visions of the victims' memories help solve murders. "I'm a crime-fighting zombie," as she explains in the opening credits.

This show is created by Rob Thomas, who also created the Veronica Mars TV series, and it has a lot of the characteristics that made Veronica Mars such a cult favorite: A plucky likable heroine, snappy dialogue, a structure that neatly blends a stand-alone "mystery of the week" with a season-long story arc. Another thing I like about it is that the gimmick-- the part about borrowing someone else's personality and outlook for a little while-- gives Liv an opportunity for introspection... she gains new perspective about her former life and her new unlife by experiencing life through someone else's perspective.

This probably sounds like the most ridiculous thing ever, but I quite enjoy it. It's silly, but it's charming and highly entertaining.

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